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Skyangel
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3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
http://www.theoi.com...
"Abstract personifications--minor deities presiding over the human condition--formed a large part of the Greek pantheon of gods. Their names are simply capitalized nouns. Eros, for example, is "Love," after the Greek word eros."

Eros is Love.
God is Love.

The abstract personifications can be divided into seven broad categories :
Please check the link for a more in depth explanation. The following are just the headings.
1.Emotions and states of mind
2. The human condition
3. Qualities
4. Morality
5. Voice
6. Actions
7. State of society.

Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.
That concept makes sense when you understand the gods are merely representations of the human condition.

It seems that the authors of the bible made an effort to combine all these abstract aspects of the human condition into one and called the one combination of all of them God.
The bible teaches that idolatry of gods is foolish and people ought not worship idols.
Ironically, the attempt to get rid of foolish belief in the gods has created an ultimate God which many still idolize.
Many adults have an immature perception of God. Many seem to think he is a actual invisible supernatural person who is somehow in charge of all of life and natural forces in the universe.
They have childlike faith in the supernatural characters portrayed in the bible stories rather than gaining the mature understanding that the mythical characters are simply a personification of abstract human attributes.

To believe any character is in charge of the universe is in my opinion as immature as believing Mother Nature is actually in charge of nature and the Grim Reaper is actually in charge of death.

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?
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3/8/2016 1:22:22 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
http://www.theoi.com...
"Abstract personifications--minor deities presiding over the human condition--formed a large part of the Greek pantheon of gods. Their names are simply capitalized nouns. Eros, for example, is "Love," after the Greek word eros."

Eros is Love.
God is Love.

The abstract personifications can be divided into seven broad categories :
Please check the link for a more in depth explanation. The following are just the headings.
1.Emotions and states of mind
2. The human condition
3. Qualities
4. Morality
5. Voice
6. Actions
7. State of society.


Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.
That concept makes sense when you understand the gods are merely representations of the human condition.

It seems that the authors of the bible made an effort to combine all these abstract aspects of the human condition into one and called the one combination of all of them God.
The bible teaches that idolatry of gods is foolish and people ought not worship idols.
Ironically, the attempt to get rid of foolish belief in the gods has created an ultimate God which many still idolize.
Many adults have an immature perception of God. Many seem to think he is a actual invisible supernatural person who is somehow in charge of all of life and natural forces in the universe.
They have childlike faith in the supernatural characters portrayed in the bible stories rather than gaining the mature understanding that the mythical characters are simply a personification of abstract human attributes.

To believe any character is in charge of the universe is in my opinion as immature as believing Mother Nature is actually in charge of nature and the Grim Reaper is actually in charge of death.

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Some people believe in God due to personal religious experience. Some people believe in God due to indoctrination(and they probably don't really analyze it that much.) There are also a smaller minority who come to belief later in life(like born again Christians) who for whatever emotional trauma, want to be "saved". I am sure there are other reasons for believing in God or Gods, but I can't think of any right now. But I'm sure you know all this already.
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3/8/2016 7:14:47 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan.
"Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing."
1 thessalonians, 5:11
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3/8/2016 3:28:39 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
http://www.theoi.com...
"Abstract personifications--minor deities presiding over the human condition--formed a large part of the Greek pantheon of gods. Their names are simply capitalized nouns. Eros, for example, is "Love," after the Greek word eros."

Eros is Love.
God is Love.

The abstract personifications can be divided into seven broad categories :
Please check the link for a more in depth explanation. The following are just the headings.
1.Emotions and states of mind
2. The human condition
3. Qualities
4. Morality
5. Voice
6. Actions
7. State of society.


Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.
That concept makes sense when you understand the gods are merely representations of the human condition.

It seems that the authors of the bible made an effort to combine all these abstract aspects of the human condition into one and called the one combination of all of them God.
The bible teaches that idolatry of gods is foolish and people ought not worship idols.
Ironically, the attempt to get rid of foolish belief in the gods has created an ultimate God which many still idolize.
Many adults have an immature perception of God. Many seem to think he is a actual invisible supernatural person who is somehow in charge of all of life and natural forces in the universe.
They have childlike faith in the supernatural characters portrayed in the bible stories rather than gaining the mature understanding that the mythical characters are simply a personification of abstract human attributes.

To believe any character is in charge of the universe is in my opinion as immature as believing Mother Nature is actually in charge of nature and the Grim Reaper is actually in charge of death.

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

You are profoundly stupid for going public with your stupidity and ignorance. You are still stuck in the pagan beliefs of the past generated by Greek/Roman mythologies and ignorant of the fact that the Romans dumped they pagan beliefs and adopted the God of the Bible. The God of the bible shattered all the idolatry in pagan beliefs so much so that the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325ad made Christisnity the state religion of Rome. Thus putting and end to the pagan beliefs you continue to equate with the modern God of the bible. Get an education.

Human concepts are not necessarily wrong. Our understanding of science, medicine and mathematics have advanced human kind. To say God is merely a human concept is a weak argument considering how far human concepts have carried man where even space is not beyond our reach.

Your worldview is limited by your geographical and cultural isolation from the rest of the world. You are and Australian. You are further handicap because you live on a farm in Queensland, Australia. So you are further isolated from the larger cities by your remoteness.
Any wonder why your backwardness shows in your posts. Your logic is flawed, you misuse words and conflated them without realizing they are incompatible and contradictory.

You are not very bright to engage in any intelligent discussions. And you are too old to learn new things. That is why you keep rehashing the same rubbish despite being corrected umpteen times by all the members who sympathize with your condition.
You have not demonstrated any mastery of the subjects you appear to apply in your arguments. You misquote scriptures, you misinterpret the meaning and definitions of words and your worldview is convoluted and cognitively untenable.

I would like to help you seeing you have an inordinate amount of time to waste on the rubbish you post on DDO. But first you have to tell us what is a granny doing here on DDO, daily attacking the faith of millions of people when your time could be better spend caring for and loving your grandchildren.

Why not appeal to the better angels of your nature instead of your vitriolic bitterness. Even at your age, surely there must some appreciation left for our humanity and not everything consumed by your cynicism......

Bless you, Harikrish.
Skyangel
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3/8/2016 9:12:46 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:22:22 AM, janesix wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Some people believe in God due to personal religious experience.

That would make God an experience, a feeling, an emotion not a person.
When people experience things like they Love, they experience God according to the concept of God being Love.
When people experience things like judgement and rejection for doing something that is not pleasing to another person, they experience the judgement of God according to the concept that people are gods.

Some people believe in God due to indoctrination(and they probably don't really analyze it that much.)

I agree with that. It seems some are too lazy to analyse why they believe something. They simply go with the flow so they can be part of their peer group and not make waves.

There are also a smaller minority who come to belief later in life(like born again Christians) who for whatever emotional trauma, want to be "saved". I am sure there are other reasons for believing in God or Gods, but I can't think of any right now. But I'm sure you know all this already.

Getting involved in a religion can certainly be an escape for whatever bothers many people. It is less harmful to the body than getting involved in drugs but it still affects peoples mental state. It tends to keep them mentally immature in the sense that they constantly need to rely on a "father figure" to guide them, think for them and be responsible for them, instead of growing up and taking responsibility for themselves. Idol worship does nothing to help them mature and become equal with their imaginary "father figure". It does nothing for their self esteem but tends to keep in an inferiority mode where they never grow out of the belief that they are inferior to their idol.
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3/8/2016 9:16:58 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 7:14:47 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan.

Satan is also a human concept. It obviously portrays foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, darkness, etc.

By claiming Satan stops people from accepting the fact that all gods are mythical concepts, you are basically saying their own stupidity stops them from accepting it.
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3/8/2016 9:21:12 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.

I don"t think that is true, because if you read the whole Psalm, you can notice that it is said to certain beings that may also be angels.

"God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods" " Nevertheless you shall die like men, And fall like one of the rulers.""
Ps. 82:1,7
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3/8/2016 9:22:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 9:16:58 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/8/2016 7:14:47 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan.

Satan is also a human concept. It obviously portrays foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, darkness, etc.

By claiming Satan stops people from accepting the fact that all gods are mythical concepts, you are basically saying their own stupidity stops them from accepting it.

Satan is real, and out there. He is trying to convince you that God doesn't exist.
"Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing."
1 thessalonians, 5:11
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3/8/2016 9:47:27 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 3:28:39 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

You are profoundly stupid for going public with your stupidity and ignorance. You are still stuck in the pagan beliefs of the past generated by Greek/Roman mythologies and ignorant of the fact that the Romans dumped they pagan beliefs and adopted the God of the Bible. The God of the bible shattered all the idolatry in pagan beliefs so much so that the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325ad made Christisnity the state religion of Rome. Thus putting and end to the pagan beliefs you continue to equate with the modern God of the bible. Get an education.

Dumping one mythology for another is not exactly a display of wisdom. It is no different to changing your brand of drugs or alcohol and still getting high as a kite.
You are the profoundly ignorant one if you believe a mythical bible God shattered any idolatry. Christianity IS idolatry. All the members of Christianity who worship a man as God and believe God is a man are worshipping an idol in the form of a man.
Obviously you are the one who needs me to educate you.

Human concepts are not necessarily wrong. Our understanding of science, medicine and mathematics have advanced human kind. To say God is merely a human concept is a weak argument considering how far human concepts have carried man where even space is not beyond our reach.

When people understand the concept that all gods are merely personifications of human attributes and various forces of nature, only then will they begin to gain a mature understanding of gods including the mythical God of the bible, his mythical son and the mythical devil etc.

Your worldview is limited by your geographical and cultural isolation from the rest of the world. You are and Australian. You are further handicap because you live on a farm in Queensland, Australia. So you are further isolated from the larger cities by your remoteness.
Any wonder why your backwardness shows in your posts. Your logic is flawed, you misuse words and conflated them without realizing they are incompatible and contradictory.

Obviously are you too immature to understand geographical locations are irrelevant to peoples world views. You seem to be limited to your own sandpit where you attempt to create mountains out of molehills. It's time you grew up little boy.

You are not very bright to engage in any intelligent discussions. And you are too old to learn new things. That is why you keep rehashing the same rubbish despite being corrected umpteen times by all the members who sympathize with your condition.
You have not demonstrated any mastery of the subjects you appear to apply in your arguments. You misquote scriptures, you misinterpret the meaning and definitions of words and your worldview is convoluted and cognitively untenable.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.
I am merely a mirror in which you see yourself.
You are judged according to your own words.

I would like to help you seeing you have an inordinate amount of time to waste on the rubbish you post on DDO. But first you have to tell us what is a granny doing here on DDO, daily attacking the faith of millions of people when your time could be better spend caring for and loving your grandchildren.

I am here to challenge you to grow up little boy.
Why do you spend an inordinate amount of time on DDO? You are here just as much as I am, if not more. Don't you have any family to spend time with ? Are you such a lonely little boy that you have no real friends?

Why not appeal to the better angels of your nature instead of your vitriolic bitterness. Even at your age, surely there must some appreciation left for our humanity and not everything consumed by your cynicism......

There is not an ounce of bitterness in me. If you see any, it must be a reflection of your own bitterness. I have enough faith in people to believe that some actually want to grow up mentally and not be led astray by false doctrines instead of just pretending to want to know the truth.

Bless you, Harikrish.

Typing "bless you" is very hypocritical when you have spent most of the post attacking a persons character and geographical location rather than addressing the topic. However I forgive you for your hypocrisy since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
Go back to playing with your sand castles little Hari. You have not graduated from the sandpit yet.
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3/8/2016 10:06:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 9:21:12 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.

I don"t think that is true, because if you read the whole Psalm, you can notice that it is said to certain beings that may also be angels.

"God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods" " Nevertheless you shall die like men, And fall like one of the rulers.""
Ps. 82:1,7

It IS true because the Jesus character quoted that psalm in reference to the humans he was speaking to at the time due to them complaining about the fact that he was making himself equal to God.
Read John 10:33-36.

Then notice that Jesus was speaking to humans not angels when he informed them they were gods.
"Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, ......"

To whom did the word of God come? To humans or angels?

If you understand it references humans you might also understand that Psalm 82:6 is a reference to humans as gods.

All the children of God (Elohiym) are also gods (Elohiym).

Are you a child of God or merely an ignorant mortal who lacks comprehension of these abstract concepts ?
That which is born of SPIRIT IS SPIRIT. ( John 3:6 )
God is SPIRIT
That which is born of God is God.
That which is born of LOVE is LOVE
That which is born of TRUTH is TRUTH.

Angels are merely messengers.
Angels are also men. They could not die like men if they did not become mortal men.
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3/8/2016 10:12:36 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 9:22:51 PM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 9:16:58 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/8/2016 7:14:47 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan.

Satan is also a human concept. It obviously portrays foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, darkness, etc.

By claiming Satan stops people from accepting the fact that all gods are mythical concepts, you are basically saying their own stupidity stops them from accepting it.

Satan is real, and out there. He is trying to convince you that God doesn't exist.

What stops YOU from accepting the FACT that ALL gods including Satan were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan as a human concept is very real. He represents your own blindness, foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, worldly carnal nature and lusts of the flesh.
Satan as a supernatural character is a myth.

God as a human concept is also very real. He represents wisdom, knowledge, enlightenment, Truth, Life, Light, etc.
God as a supernatural character is a myth.

You can either grow up and understand the concept or remain ignorant and worship an invisible idol.
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3/8/2016 10:13:10 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
http://www.theoi.com...
"Abstract personifications--minor deities presiding over the human condition--formed a large part of the Greek pantheon of gods. Their names are simply capitalized nouns. Eros, for example, is "Love," after the Greek word eros."

Eros is Love.
God is Love.

The abstract personifications can be divided into seven broad categories :
Please check the link for a more in depth explanation. The following are just the headings.
1.Emotions and states of mind
2. The human condition
3. Qualities
4. Morality
5. Voice
6. Actions
7. State of society.


Psalm 82:6 clearly teaches that humans are gods.
That concept makes sense when you understand the gods are merely representations of the human condition.

It seems that the authors of the bible made an effort to combine all these abstract aspects of the human condition into one and called the one combination of all of them God.
The bible teaches that idolatry of gods is foolish and people ought not worship idols.
Ironically, the attempt to get rid of foolish belief in the gods has created an ultimate God which many still idolize.
Many adults have an immature perception of God. Many seem to think he is a actual invisible supernatural person who is somehow in charge of all of life and natural forces in the universe.
They have childlike faith in the supernatural characters portrayed in the bible stories rather than gaining the mature understanding that the mythical characters are simply a personification of abstract human attributes.

To believe any character is in charge of the universe is in my opinion as immature as believing Mother Nature is actually in charge of nature and the Grim Reaper is actually in charge of death.

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Most believe because they were brain washed from birth to believe. It's a terrible thing to do to an innocent child.
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3/8/2016 10:47:51 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 10:13:10 PM, Accipiter wrote:

Most believe because they were brain washed from birth to believe. It's a terrible thing to do to an innocent child.

It can be perceived as a terrible thing to do but obviously the adults who do these things believe they are doing the right thing and bringing up their children in the way that seems right to them.
The principle of bringing up your children in the way that seems right applies to all humans not just to believers in God.
The adults of the world teach the children what the adults believe is true regardless of whether it is true or not. It makes no difference if the younger generations are taught creationism by supernatural means or are taught the big bang and evolution theories.
Any teaching about any beginnings of the universe are just theories and imaginations which can neither be proved nor disproved.
When it come to morality, humans teach humans by example and people adopt whatever example they personally get the most pleasure from.
Many people change their beliefs through their lifetime, believers become unbelievers, unbelievers become believers, people change religions, people change their attitudes, etc . Obviously we go through stages in our maturity where we question the things we were taught from birth and decide to keep believing them or not. In the end, what we believe and how we live is our choice.
I think most people believe what they do because they have convinced themselves their own logic and reasoning is correct.
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3/8/2016 10:51:24 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 9:47:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/8/2016 3:28:39 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:

It amazes me that any adults today actually think invisible characters with supernatural powers exist and the stories in the bible are to be taken literally.

It is a sad thing that so many adults still believe things like talking animals and people with magical or supernatural powers are historical facts.

Obviously mental maturity does not happen automatically in the process of physical growth.

Why can most adults understand that the Greek gods are all mythical yet many of those same adults cannot come to terms with the FACT that the God and other supernatural characters of the bible are just as mythical ?
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

You are profoundly stupid for going public with your stupidity and ignorance. You are still stuck in the pagan beliefs of the past generated by Greek/Roman mythologies and ignorant of the fact that the Romans dumped they pagan beliefs and adopted the God of the Bible. The God of the bible shattered all the idolatry in pagan beliefs so much so that the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325ad made Christisnity the state religion of Rome. Thus putting and end to the pagan beliefs you continue to equate with the modern God of the bible. Get an education.

Dumping one mythology for another is not exactly a display of wisdom. It is no different to changing your brand of drugs or alcohol and still getting high as a kite.
You are the profoundly ignorant one if you believe a mythical bible God shattered any idolatry. Christianity IS idolatry. All the members of Christianity who worship a man as God and believe God is a man are worshipping an idol in the form of a man.

Because Christianity was successful at destroying pagan beliefs it gained universal recognition. Even the Emperor of Rome Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and put an end to pagan worship.
You cannot grasp the significance and social benefit to human civilization that modern religion has contributed. Religion is an integral part of human evolution.

Human concepts are not necessarily wrong. Our understanding of science, medicine and mathematics have advanced human kind. To say God is merely a human concept is a weak argument considering how far human concepts have carried man where even space is not beyond our reach.

When people understand the concept that all gods are merely personifications of human attributes and various forces of nature, only then will they begin to gain a mature understanding of gods including the mythical God of the bible, his mythical son and the mythical devil etc.

But you are still stuck in your pagan worldview. The personification of God disappeared with the arrival of Jesus. Jesus very human and a historical fact. His life and works were recorded by historians. You just haven't been exposed to knowledge of Jesus because you live on some remote farm in Queensland, Australiaand you are surrounded by aboriginal pagan worshippers.

Your worldview is limited by your geographical and cultural isolation from the rest of the world. You are and Australian. You are further handicap because you live on a farm in Queensland, Australia. So you are further isolated from the larger cities by your remoteness.
Any wonder why your backwardness shows in your posts. Your logic is flawed, you misuse words and conflated them without realizing they are incompatible and contradictory.

Obviously are you too immature to understand geographical locations are irrelevant to peoples world views. You seem to be limited to your own sandpit where you attempt to create mountains out of molehills. It's time you grew up little boy.


Again it is your lack of education that limits you from grasping the downside to geographical and cultural isolation.

Here is a study by the Australian government showing the disadvantages of isolation.

Does distance matter? The effect of geographic isolation on productivity levels
http://archive.treasury.gov.au...

You are not very bright to engage in any intelligent discussions. And you are too old to learn new things. That is why you keep rehashing the same rubbish despite being corrected umpteen times by all the members who sympathize with your condition.
You have not demonstrated any mastery of the subjects you appear to apply in your arguments. You misquote scriptures, you misinterpret the meaning and definitions of words and your worldview is convoluted and cognitively untenable.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.
I am merely a mirror in which you see yourself.
You are judged according to your own words.

You are a 62 year old granny. How could that ever be a reflection of someone almost half your age.

I would like to help you seeing you have an inordinate amount of time to waste on the rubbish you post on DDO. But first you have to tell us what is a granny doing here on DDO, daily attacking the faith of millions of people when your time could be better spend caring for and loving your grandchildren.

I am here to challenge you to grow up little boy.
Why do you spend an inordinate amount of time on DDO? You are here just as much as I am, if not more. Don't you have any family to spend time with ? Are you such a lonely little boy that you have no real friends?

I don't have grandchildren and my presence here is research based.

Why not appeal to the better angels of your nature instead of your vitriolic bitterness. Even at your age, surely there must some appreciation left for our humanity and not everything consumed by your cynicism......

There is not an ounce of bitterness in me. If you see any, it must be a reflection of your own bitterness. I have enough faith in people to believe that some actually want to grow up mentally and not be led astray by false doctrines instead of just pretending to want to know the truth.

You don't even know basic physics and you are scripturally illiterate. Add to it your isolation and simple existence on a farm. That just summed up your life.
Bless you, Harikrish.

That was so sweet of you, Skyangel. The better angels of yield nature needs to come out more often.

Typing "bless you" is very hypocritical when you have spent most of the post attacking a persons character and geographical location rather than addressing the topic. However I forgive you for your hypocrisy since you obviously have no clue what you are talking about.
Go back to playing with your sand castles little Hari. You have not graduated from the sandpit yet.
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3/9/2016 12:09:17 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 10:51:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/8/2016 9:47:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Dumping one mythology for another is not exactly a display of wisdom. It is no different to changing your brand of drugs or alcohol and still getting high as a kite.
You are the profoundly ignorant one if you believe a mythical bible God shattered any idolatry. Christianity IS idolatry. All the members of Christianity who worship a man as God and believe God is a man are worshipping an idol in the form of a man.

Because Christianity was successful at destroying pagan beliefs it gained universal recognition. Even the Emperor of Rome Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and put an end to pagan worship.
You cannot grasp the significance and social benefit to human civilization that modern religion has contributed. Religion is an integral part of human evolution.

A religion is not successful at destroying pagan belief when that religion adopts pagan beliefs and promotes idol worship like Christianity has done and still does.
Religion has done nothing to socially benefit human civilization. All it has done is create more conflicts amongst humans who fight and argue and even have wars due to religious beliefs.
People don't need religious beliefs to argue about. They manage to argue about plenty of other trivial things.
People also do not need religion to have a sense of morality. That is evidenced in the fact that unbelievers in gods and religion also have a sense of morality and sometimes the unbelievers have a higher standard of morality than some believers. The jails are evidence of that since there are more believers than unbelievers in the corrective institutions of this world.

http://www.patheos.com...
http://www.alternet.org...

Religion does nothing to promote human evolution especially when it comes to the evolution of a mature mind. It keeps its members in a state of inferiority where they eternally feel inferior to an invisible supernatural character. They never grow up into a mentally mature adult who understands they are responsible for themselves and no one else in history except maybe their own parents has taken responsibility for them when they were immature and needed guidance.

When people understand the concept that all gods are merely personifications of human attributes and various forces of nature, only then will they begin to gain a mature understanding of gods including the mythical God of the bible, his mythical son and the mythical devil etc.

But you are still stuck in your pagan worldview. The personification of God disappeared with the arrival of Jesus. Jesus very human and a historical fact. His life and works were recorded by historians. You just haven't been exposed to knowledge of Jesus because you live on some remote farm in Queensland, Australiaand you are surrounded by aboriginal pagan worshippers.

You have it all wrong little Hari. I am not the one stuck in the belief of pagan concepts. I am not the one worshipping invisible gods and believing that one person with supernatural powers once actually walked this Earth as a man.
The arrival of Jesus is the arrival of a story of a man being born of a virgin. It is the arrival of another myth since no real person was ever born of a virgin way back then. Any woman who had a child in the bible story days had intercourse with a man because they had no artificial insemination in those days.

IF a historical Jesus existed, the man was not born of a virgin, neither did he have any supernatural powers. The character named Jesus in the bible stories is NOT a historical person due to having supernatural powers and due to having no physical father but an invisible spirit as a father. He is mythical character who merely represents TRUTH, LIFE, LIGHT, REVELATION. etc ... That is hinted at when he says things like ....I AM the light of the world... I AM the WAY TRUTH and LIFE... I AM the BREAD of LIFE..... I AM the resurrection and the life.....etc. The mythical person is a personification of the concept of living a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH and what happens to those who do.

You are the pot calling the kettle black.
I am merely a mirror in which you see yourself.
You are judged according to your own words.

You are a 62 year old granny. How could that ever be a reflection of someone almost half your age.

The mirror has no age. It is merely a reflective surface in which the observer sees himself regardless of how old that observer might be.
I am the Mirror. You are the observer.

I am here to challenge you to grow up little boy.
Why do you spend an inordinate amount of time on DDO? You are here just as much as I am, if not more. Don't you have any family to spend time with ? Are you such a lonely little boy that you have no real friends?

I don't have grandchildren and my presence here is research based.

Obviously not. You are not even old enough to have children. You are still a very immature child yourself. Have fun researching your fictions and myths. I hope you eventually learn that all characters with supernatural powers are mythical.
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3/9/2016 7:28:31 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 10:12:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops YOU from accepting the FACT {it's not a fact} that ALL gods including Satan {Satan isn't a god} were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts? {God stops me. Psalm 121}

Satan as a human concept is very real. He represents your own blindness, foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, worldly carnal nature and lusts of the flesh.
Satan as a supernatural character is a myth. {evidence?}

God as a human concept is also very real. He represents wisdom, knowledge, enlightenment, Truth, Life, Light, etc.
God as a supernatural character is a myth. {evidence?}

You can either grow up and understand the concept or remain ignorant and worship an invisible idol. {You can too and accept that it's not that obvious}
"Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing."
1 thessalonians, 5:11
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3/9/2016 3:37:16 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/9/2016 12:09:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/8/2016 10:51:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/8/2016 9:47:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:

Dumping one mythology for another is not exactly a display of wisdom. It is no different to changing your brand of drugs or alcohol and still getting high as a kite.
You are the profoundly ignorant one if you believe a mythical bible God shattered any idolatry. Christianity IS idolatry. All the members of Christianity who worship a man as God and believe God is a man are worshipping an idol in the form of a man.

Because Christianity was successful at destroying pagan beliefs it gained universal recognition. Even the Emperor of Rome Constantine adopted Christianity as the state religion of Rome and put an end to pagan worship.
You cannot grasp the significance and social benefit to human civilization that modern religion has contributed. Religion is an integral part of human evolution.

A religion is not successful at destroying pagan belief when that religion adopts pagan beliefs and promotes idol worship like Christianity has done and still does.
Where are the pagan gods? Christianity condemns idol worship. You just don't know your scriptures. That is why you failed as a Christian.

Religion has done nothing to socially benefit human civilization. All it has done is create more conflicts amongst humans who fight and argue and even have wars due to religious beliefs.
Show me which Christian organization is militarized.

People don't need religious beliefs to argue about. They manage to argue about plenty of other trivial things.
So you were lying when you wrote:": Religion has done nothing to socially benefit human civilization. All it has done is create more conflicts amongst humans who fight and argue and even have wars due to religious beliefs. "

People also do not need religion to have a sense of morality. That is evidenced in the fact that unbelievers in gods and religion also have a sense of morality and sometimes the unbelievers have a higher standard of morality than some believers. The jails are evidence of that since there are more believers than unbelievers in the corrective institutions of this world.

http://www.patheos.com...
http://www.alternet.org...

They are like you, failed Christians turning to criminality and godless behaviour.

Religion does nothing to promote human evolution especially when it comes to the evolution of a mature mind. It keeps its members in a state of inferiority where they eternally feel inferior to an invisible supernatural character. They never grow up into a mentally mature adult who understands they are responsible for themselves and no one else in history except maybe their own parents has taken responsibility for them when they were immature and needed guidance.


You are truly ignorant and limited by your isolation living on some remote farm. Try reading the evolutionary role of religion in human development.

"
Dr. Wilson, a renowned evolutionary biologist, proposes that religion -- with all its institutional, emotional and prescriptive trappings -- ranks as a kind of mega-adaptation: a trait that evolved because it conferred advantages on those who bore it.

But whereas evolutionary biologists traditionally view an adaptation as the outcome of a struggle between unevenly matched individuals -- say, between one polar bear with a cleanly cloaking white coat, and another with a slightly less effective form of camouflage -- Dr. Wilson sees religion as the product of group selection at work.

In his new book, 'Darwin's Cathedral: Evolution, Religion and the Nature of Society' (University of Chicago Press), Dr. Wilson argues that the religious impulse evolved early in hominid history because it helped make groups of humans comparatively more cohesive, more cooperative and more fraternal, and thus able to present a formidable front against bands of less organized or unified adversaries.

By taking an evolutionary perspective on the subject, Dr. Wilson said, religion's twinned record of transcendent glories and shocking barbarities becomes comprehensible and even predictable, though not, perhaps, inevitable for the future."

When people understand the concept that all gods are merely personifications of human attributes and various forces of nature, only then will they begin to gain a mature understanding of gods including the mythical God of the bible, his mythical son and the mythical devil etc.

Judaism/Christianity's central message was the abomination of pagan beliefs. God is not a personification of human attributes. Humans are seen as imperfect beings, flawed and perverted. God is quite the opposite. God is pure, perfect and divine...those are not human attributes.

But you are still stuck in your pagan worldview. The personification of God disappeared with the arrival of Jesus. Jesus very human and a historical fact. His life and works were recorded by historians. You just haven't been exposed to knowledge of Jesus because you live on some remote farm in Queensland, Australiaand you are surrounded by aboriginal pagan worshippers.

You have it all wrong little Hari. I am not the one stuck in the belief of pagan concepts. I am not the one worshipping invisible gods and believing that one person with supernatural powers once actually walked this Earth as a man.
But all your post substitutes known pagan believes with even more bizzare ill thought out home brewed concepts that are logically flawed and self contradictory.
You have not articulated a single concept that can be rationally considered or entertained. They are all just pure rubbish or modified plagiarized pagan concepts.

IF a historical Jesus existed, the man was not born of a virgin, neither did he have any supernatural powers. The character named Jesus in the bible stories is NOT a historical person due to having supernatural powers and due to having no physical father but an invisible spirit as a father. He is mythical character who merely represents TRUTH, LIFE, LIGHT, REVELATION. etc ... That is hinted at when he says things like ....I AM the light of the world... I AM the WAY TRUTH and LIFE... I AM the BREAD of LIFE..... I AM the resurrection and the life.....etc. The mythical person is a personification of the concept of living a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH and what happens to those who do.


Jesus does not need to be personified. He was a living person. You only personify something nonhuman to give it human attributes. Jesus was already human. You Have been corrected repeatedly for misusing the word personification.




You are a 62 year old granny. How could that ever be a reflection of someone almost half your age.

The mirror has no age. It is merely a reflective surface in which the observer sees himself regardless of how old that observer might be.
I am the Mirror. You are the observer.


How can you be a mirror when you do not reflect what I am saying. You are spewing out rubbish which is a true reflection of your ignorance and pagan beliefs.

I am here to challenge you to grow up little boy.
Why do you spend an inordinate amount of time on DDO? You are here just as much as I am, if not more. Don't you have any family to spend time with ? Are you such a lonely little boy that you have no real friends?

You lack originality. You are reduced to parroting my lines. Before that you plagiarized others lines. You are an extremely dishonest granny. Shame on you.

I don't have grandchildren and my presence here is research based.
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3/9/2016 9:47:41 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/8/2016 10:06:15 PM, Skyangel wrote:
It IS true because the Jesus character quoted that psalm in reference to the humans he was speaking to

No he explained that if the persons who heard God speaking in the Psalm could be called gods, it is not wrong to call him son of God. Jesus didn"t claim to be God, and he said God is greater than him.

You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:28

He said also that only God is good, not him.

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one-God.
Luke 18:19
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3/10/2016 2:53:29 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/9/2016 7:28:31 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 10:12:36 PM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops YOU from accepting the FACT {it's not a fact} that ALL gods including Satan {Satan isn't a god} were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts? {God stops me. Psalm 121}

Satan as a human concept is very real. He represents your own blindness, foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, worldly carnal nature and lusts of the flesh.
Satan as a supernatural character is a myth.

{evidence?}

Do you have any evidence that the Tooth fairy is a myth?
You find evidence of mythical characters with supernatural powers in stories which were written by humans.
You can presume they were written and invented by humans unless you have evidence that some other life form invented the stories ?

God as a human concept is also very real. He represents wisdom, knowledge, enlightenment, Truth, Life, Light, etc.
God as a supernatural character is a myth.

{evidence?}

The stories about the mythical characters are evidence that the characters exist only in the stories.
Do you have any evidence of characters with supernatural powers outside the stories?
If the only evidence of their existence is in stories, they are logically story book characters.

You can either grow up and understand the concept or remain ignorant and worship an invisible idol.

{You can too and accept that it's not that obvious}

I grew out of the habit of worshipping an invisible character when I realized he was not real.
It is as obvious to mature adults as the fact that Santa is not real. It is not obvious to children who and have not realised the character is mythical.
If it is not obvious to you that all invisible characters with supernatural powers are mythical, you must still have the mental maturity of a child.
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3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/9/2016 9:47:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 10:06:15 PM, Skyangel wrote:
It IS true because the Jesus character quoted that psalm in reference to the humans he was speaking to

No he explained that if the persons who heard God speaking in the Psalm could be called gods, it is not wrong to call him son of God. Jesus didn"t claim to be God, and he said God is greater than him.

You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:28

He said also that only God is good, not him.

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one-God.
Luke 18:19

According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

John5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Please explain the concept of being equal with God if you think the character was inferior to God.
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3/10/2016 2:51:15 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/9/2016 9:47:41 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/8/2016 10:06:15 PM, Skyangel wrote:
It IS true because the Jesus character quoted that psalm in reference to the humans he was speaking to

No he explained that if the persons who heard God speaking in the Psalm could be called gods, it is not wrong to call him son of God. Jesus didn"t claim to be God, and he said God is greater than him.

You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:28

He said also that only God is good, not him.

Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one-God.
Luke 18:19

According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

You are a pathetic liar and scripturally ignorant.
The Jews don't believe the son is equal to the fatber . In fact Jewish children are taught to honour their parents and you can read it in the bible. By calling God his father, the people found Jesus blasphemous because he was claiming to be a god. Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. By calling God his father, he was submitting to God's authority. Any wonder why you failed as a Christian. Blame it on your diminished mental capacity.
Ephesians 6:2 "Honor your father and mother"--which is the first commandment with a promise--

John5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Please explain the concept of being equal with God if you think the character was inferior to God.

By calling God his father, Jesus was submitting to God's authority as a son submits to his fathers authority.
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3/10/2016 6:35:07 PM
Posted: 9 months ago
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

People didn"t understand what Jesus said as it seems to be also today.

Jesus is clear in what he says, but people didn"t like it and made excuses why to murder him. Jesus was sent by God and spoke what God had commanded him to speak. And Jesus gave all credit to God.

Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God, or if I am speaking from myself.
John 7:16-17

Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise.
John 5:19

Jesus can be seen equal, because he does God"s works and speaks God"s words. It doesn"t mean Jesus then is the one and only true God. Also I am equal with God, if I do His works and speak His words, but even if so, I am not myself God.

I am sad that Jews are even nowadays misled by "Christian" teachings, which are against Bible and Jewish beliefs and therefore Jews can"t receive Jesus as they should. And unfortunately Jews are well protected from people that could help them to see the truth.
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3/12/2016 9:45:55 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 2:51:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:

According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

You are a pathetic liar and scripturally ignorant.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The Jews don't believe the son is equal to the fatber .

Equality obviously depends on the age and maturity of the son. An adult son is equal to an adult father and an only begotten son inherits everything from the father.

In fact Jewish children are taught to honour their parents and you can read it in the bible. By calling God his father, the people found Jesus blasphemous because he was claiming to be a god. Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. By calling God his father, he was submitting to God's authority. Any wonder why you failed as a Christian. Blame it on your diminished mental capacity.

The Jews in the story believed that calling God your father was making yourself equal with God. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them.

Ephesians 6:2 "Honor your father and mother"--which is the first commandment with a promise--

Anyone can still honor their parents while being equal with them.
Immature children are inferior to their parents due to being reliant on them for everything but mature independent adult children are equal with their parents.
If you are not equal to your parents there is something mentally wrong with you.

John5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Please explain the concept of being equal with God if you think the character was inferior to God.

By calling God his father, Jesus was submitting to God's authority as a son submits to his fathers authority.

There is no need to submit to your fathers authority when you father has given you all authority.
Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( KJV)
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. ( NIV)

The only time a child would need to submit to his fathers authority is when he is still immature and the father has not yet entrusted him with any adult authority.

IF you ever GROW UP you might understand the concept a little better Hari.
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3/12/2016 10:04:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/10/2016 6:35:07 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

People didn"t understand what Jesus said as it seems to be also today.

Why do you think that is?

Jesus is clear in what he says, but people didn"t like it and made excuses why to murder him. Jesus was sent by God and spoke what God had commanded him to speak. And Jesus gave all credit to God.

Jesus therefore answered them, "My teaching is not mine, but his who sent me. If anyone desires to do his will, he will know about the teaching, whether it is from God, or if I am speaking from myself.
John 7:16-17

Jesus therefore answered them, "Most assuredly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father doing. For whatever things he does, these the Son also does likewise.
John 5:19

Jesus can be seen equal, because he does God"s works and speaks God"s words. It doesn"t mean Jesus then is the one and only true God. Also I am equal with God, if I do His works and speak His words, but even if so, I am not myself God.

All adults that have the same authority and power are obviously equal in their authority. One is not inferior to another even if they do submit to each other in the sense of complying with each other in agreement.

I am sad that Jews are even nowadays misled by "Christian" teachings, which are against Bible and Jewish beliefs and therefore Jews can"t receive Jesus as they should. And unfortunately Jews are well protected from people that could help them to see the truth.

Religion to the Jews is not about worshipping and following a man like Christians do. It is about a very practical way of life. It is all about helping other people not about singing songs to some invisible character once a week.

James 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Christian teachings mislead more Christians than they mislead anyone else. The Christians are led to follow a false Christ and worship a man instead of simply living in the principle of love which demands no worship of invisible gods but merely demands practical caring and kindness for all people.
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3/12/2016 10:16:39 AM
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You replied to skyangel "You are profoundly stupid for going public with your stupidity and ignorance. You are still stuck in the pagan beliefs of the past generated by Greek/Roman mythologies and ignorant of the fact that the Romans dumped they pagan beliefs and adopted the God of the Bible. The God of the bible shattered all the idolatry in pagan beliefs so much so that the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325ad made Christisnity the state religion of Rome. Thus putting and end to the pagan beliefs you continue to equate with the modern God of the bible. Get an education."

First off - she never stated that she worshiped any Greek or Roman gods - she was discussing their representation of abstract concepts.

As far as the Romans converting to Christianity - the Romans did no such thing - they simply made Christian beliefs into a "religion" when they set for Christian doctrine, so that they could control the spread of orthodoxy and discredit Gnostic Christians. They also married pagan beliefs to christianity thru holidays and such. True Christianity went underground when the council of Nicaea determined certain Gospels to be heretical while canonizing books that could be more easily used for indoctrination. But they missed certain scriptures that are more in accordance with Gnostic Gospels like this one, Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
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3/12/2016 2:20:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 9:45:55 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/10/2016 2:51:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:

According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

You are a pathetic liar and scripturally ignorant.

John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

The Jews don't believe the son is equal to the fatber .

Equality obviously depends on the age and maturity of the son. An adult son is equal to an adult father and an only begotten son inherits everything from the father.


In fact Jewish children are taught to honour their parents and you can read it in the bible. By calling God his father, the people found Jesus blasphemous because he was claiming to be a god. Jesus never claimed to be equal to God. By calling God his father, he was submitting to God's authority. Any wonder why you failed as a Christian. Blame it on your diminished mental capacity.

The Jews in the story believed that calling God your father was making yourself equal with God. If you have a problem with it, take it up with them.


Ephesians 6:2 "Honor your father and mother"--which is the first commandment with a promise--

Anyone can still honor their parents while being equal with them.
Immature children are inferior to their parents due to being reliant on them for everything but mature independent adult children are equal with their parents.
If you are not equal to your parents there is something mentally wrong with you.


John5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
Phil 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

Please explain the concept of being equal with God if you think the character was inferior to God.

By calling God his father, Jesus was submitting to God's authority as a son submits to his fathers authority.

There is no need to submit to your fathers authority when you father has given you all authority.
Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. ( KJV)
Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. ( NIV)

It is a good thing you stopped teaching Sunday school. You are very incompetent.
By calling God his father, jesus was submitting to God's authority as a son submits to his fathers authority.
The verse you quoted Matt 28:18 was spoken by Jesus after his death and resurrection. He only received authority over heaven and earth after he fulfilled his mission. Before that he followered the authority of his Father and spoke only what was given to him and not of his own authority. You are scripturally ignorant. Any wonder why you failed as a Christian.

The only time a child would need to submit to his fathers authority is when he is still immature and the father has not yet entrusted him with any adult authority.

IF you ever GROW UP you might understand the concept a little better Hari.
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3/12/2016 5:35:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/8/2016 9:22:51 PM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 9:16:58 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/8/2016 7:14:47 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
At 3/8/2016 1:13:25 AM, Skyangel wrote:
What stops so many people from accepting the FACT that ALL gods were created by human imagination and are merely human concepts?

Satan.

Satan is also a human concept. It obviously portrays foolishness, ignorance, stupidity, darkness, etc.

By claiming Satan stops people from accepting the fact that all gods are mythical concepts, you are basically saying their own stupidity stops them from accepting it.

Satan is real, and out there. He is trying to convince you that God doesn't exist.

Ancient myths and superstitions are out there. The are trying to convince you that Satan and God exist.
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3/12/2016 11:48:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 10:16:39 AM, Emmarie wrote:
You replied to skyangel "You are profoundly stupid for going public with your stupidity and ignorance. You are still stuck in the pagan beliefs of the past generated by Greek/Roman mythologies and ignorant of the fact that the Romans dumped they pagan beliefs and adopted the God of the Bible. The God of the bible shattered all the idolatry in pagan beliefs so much so that the Roman Emperor Constantine in 325ad made Christisnity the state religion of Rome. Thus putting and end to the pagan beliefs you continue to equate with the modern God of the bible. Get an education."

First off - she never stated that she worshiped any Greek or Roman gods - she was discussing their representation of abstract concepts.

You are new to DDO. So let me welcome you first to DDO.
True, Skyangel has a link full of pagan gods which she uses to reference them in her arguments. But she also offers her own concepts of God as ENERGY, LIFE, Mythical Character etc.Those same concepts can be found among the list of pagan beliefs. So her concepts are aligned with pagan beliefs with small modifications.
She believes the spirit is also energy and reproduces itself when the spirt is the nonphysical part of a person( or the soul) which scientists have no evidence it even exists.
She believes she dies every day and that one must die to live.
She wrote:"You cannot live without dying. The beginning and end is always with us. The beginning/end of the day, the beginning/end of the hour, the beginning/end of the second, the beginning/end of a generation, the beginning/end of LIFE."

Skyangel wrote:

Science studies God and does not even realize it is studying God.
God is LIFE.
God is ENERGY.
God is EVERYTHING.
God is not some invisible supernatural character who invented everything. That character is a human creation, an anthropomorphism of the POWERS that be or the ENERGY of the universe.

Check some of Skyangels beliefs.
God and the devil are one God.
http://www.debate.org...

Skyangel's distorted scriptures:

"God is Life. Life is the creator of life in the past present and future for all eternity.
God is existence itself. God is energy. God is a power, a force.
God is a corporate body of innumerable members which did exist in the past, do exist today and will exist in future.
God is not an invisible supernatural person. The character portrayed in the bible stories is mythical. The character simply personifies REALITY which is TRUTH
I am part of God in the same way I am part of existence."

"The character Jesus represents TRUTH.
TRUTH was on Earth in the flesh in the past.
TRUTH IS on Earth in the flesh today.
TRUTH will be on Earth in the flesh in the future since it is always coming to Earth through the reproduction process of flesh as the old is constantly passing away and constantly being replaced with the new in an instant. The Spirit is also constantly reproducing Spirit. The Spirit of LIFE, the Spirit of TRUTH, is always manifest in the flesh on Earth. It never leaves or forsakes us in any generation of the past present or future.

I am not the one worshipping a historical idol.
The TRUTH in the FLESH is the same in the past as it is in the present and will be the same in the future.
The WAY TRUTH and LIFE (Jesus Christ) is the same Yesterday Today and Forever. ( Heb 13:8)

It is not about an individual person being present in the flesh but about the SPIRIT of TRUTH and LIFE being constantly present in the flesh for all eternity.
Christ is not an individual being. Christ is a body of MANY MEMBERS. Christ is a corporate body just like LIFE is a corporate body."

"I am more in touch with God than I have ever been. I am in him and he is in me. I understand he is a personification of the reality within me and all around me. I see him as clearly as I see myself every day.
Can you see God in reality or is he still invisible to you ?
I see God every day. I see him in Nature as clearly as I see Mother Nature manifest in and through nature. I see him in all life because God is LIFE."

As far as the Romans converting to Christianity - the Romans did no such thing - they simply made Christian beliefs into a "religion" when they set for Christian doctrine, so that they could control the spread of orthodoxy and discredit Gnostic Christians. They also married pagan beliefs to christianity thru holidays and such. True Christianity went underground when the council of Nicaea determined certain Gospels to be heretical while canonizing books that could be more easily used for indoctrination. But they missed certain scriptures that are more in accordance with Gnostic Gospels like this one, Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Roman Emperor Constantine made Christianity the state religion in 325 AD. The Roman Catholic Church controlled Christianity for over 2000 years and is the largest Christian denomination with over a billion Christian followers. If it wasn't for the Romans, Christianity would have remained a local sectarian Jewish religion.
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3/13/2016 8:27:27 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/12/2016 10:04:45 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/10/2016 6:35:07 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

People didn"t understand what Jesus said as it seems to be also today.

Why do you think that is?

Because people think Jesus was making himself God, although Bible tells these:

You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.

1 Cor. 15:27-28

Religion to the Jews is not about worshipping and following a man like Christians do. It is about a very practical way of life. It is all about helping other people not about singing songs to some invisible character once a week.

If we are Biblical, Christianity is not worshiping a man.

Christian teachings mislead more Christians than they mislead anyone else. The Christians are led to follow a false Christ and worship a man instead of simply living in the principle of love which demands no worship of invisible gods but merely demands practical caring and kindness for all people.

That we love as God has commanded is in my opinion at the same time worshiping God. On basis of what the Bible tells, every good thing we do for people, we do also for God.

He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in; naked, and you clothed me; I was sick, and you visited me; I was in prison, and you came to me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?' "The King will answer them, 'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.' "Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?' "Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matt. 25:33-46

I hope Christians (disciples of Jesus) understand that and repent if they have not lived as Jesus taught.
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3/13/2016 11:02:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/13/2016 8:27:27 AM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/12/2016 10:04:45 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 3/10/2016 6:35:07 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/10/2016 3:02:42 AM, Skyangel wrote:
According to Jewish tradition the son is equal to the Father. Why else would the bible characters claim that the Jesus character was making himself equal with God?

People didn"t understand what Jesus said as it seems to be also today.

Why do you think that is?

Because people think Jesus was making himself God, although Bible tells these:

The bible characters thought he was making himself EQUAL with God not making himself God. There is a difference between being equal with someone else and being someone else.

You heard how I told you, 'I go away, and I come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I said 'I am going to my Father;' for the Father is greater than I.
John 14:28

For, "He put all things in subjection under his feet." But when he says, "All things are put in subjection," it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him. When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.

1 Cor. 15:27-28

It is like you being equal to nature since you are part of nature. You have control over certain aspects of nature, but you also know that nature is greater than you are. It is not about believing some invisible supernatural entity like Mother Nature exists and is greater than you are. People are never inferior to any invisible supernatural characters.

Religion to the Jews is not about worshipping and following a man like Christians do. It is about a very practical way of life. It is all about helping other people not about singing songs to some invisible character once a week.

If we are Biblical, Christianity is not worshiping a man.

Many Christians follow a man named Jesus and worship the man as God.
If you don't do that, who or what do you follow and worship?

Christian teachings mislead more Christians than they mislead anyone else. The Christians are led to follow a false Christ and worship a man instead of simply living in the principle of love which demands no worship of invisible gods but merely demands practical caring and kindness for all people.

That we love as God has commanded is in my opinion at the same time worshiping God. On basis of what the Bible tells, every good thing we do for people, we do also for God.

To live in love is to live in God and it has nothing to do with idolising any invisible supernatural being. Love is nothing supernatural. It is perfectly natural.

He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, 'Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in; naked, and you clothed me; I was sick, and you visited me; I was in prison, and you came to me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?' "The King will answer them, 'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.' Then he will say also to those on the left hand, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn't give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn't take me in; naked, and you didn't clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn't visit me.' "Then they will also answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn't help you?' "Then he will answer them, saying, 'Most assuredly I tell you, inasmuch as you didn't do it to one of the least of these, you didn't do it to me.' These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."
Matt. 25:33-46

I hope Christians (disciples of Jesus) understand that and repent if they have not lived as Jesus taught.

Very Few seem to understand that Jesus taught a WAY of LIFE in TRUTH and LOVE. He did not teach anyone to idolize any man including himself as God.