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3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.
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3/16/2016 4:28:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

People who believe in the deity and that it answers prayer always make excuses for it, when it doesn't answer them positively! What an evil so and so it is if it answers some prayers but turns down other equally valid requests!
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3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?
When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.
If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.
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3/16/2016 5:08:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.
Cunning little devil ain't he?
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3/16/2016 6:31:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
God has a plan, unfortunately he keeps getting distracted by answering prayers that are no part of his plan and has to go back to square one.
I don't think he has any ladders on his board.
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3/16/2016 7:17:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.

Why supposedly smart people can't see through this illogical mess is a wonder.

Lets say we were going to test how a father with 4 daughters answers their requests. So the kids ask dad for something, and dad either says yes, no, wait, or let me think about it.

Could we distinguish that from "random chance"? How would it look different from random chance? See, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the father and random chance because the Father, being a free willed person, would not answer based on some template or algorithm.

Now, what if the Father knew we were testing his responses to his daughters? Would the test be scientifically valid? Could not the subject (the father) skew the test results?

See, the charge that God made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance is bogus. It is non-nonsensical. This charge is used only by two groups of atheists. First, the ones who do not know what a valid test run on the scientific method is, or second, an atheist who knows but wishes to dispute Christianity using forked tongue logic.

DJR is an example of the former.
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3/16/2016 7:28:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:17:52 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.

Why supposedly smart people can't see through this illogical mess is a wonder.

You are not a smart person. Let's see how you show that.

Lets say we were going to test how a father with 4 daughters answers their requests. So the kids ask dad for something, and dad either says yes, no, wait, or let me think about it.

In other words, a smart person would recognize that a father actually answers back to his daughters with an audible voice, thus confirming the requests were heard and acknowledged. To this, the smart person understands no such audible messages are ever received from God.

Could we distinguish that from "random chance"?

Absolutely, by the audible acknowledgements as opposed to complete silence.

How would it look different from random chance?

Perhaps, a smart person would know that God would openly acknowledge the prayer so that we may understand the prayer was indeed answered.

See, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the father and random chance because the Father, being a free willed person, would not answer based on some template or algorithm.

But, the Father did indeed answer his daughters, unlike God answering prayers.

Now, what if the Father knew we were testing his responses to his daughters? Would the test be scientifically valid? Could not the subject (the father) skew the test results?

Who cares? A smart person would not find that relevant, especially considering the answers were audibly heard.

See, the charge that God made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance is bogus. It is non-nonsensical.

And yet, you have failed miserably in showing that.

This charge is used only by two groups of atheists. First, the ones who do not know what a valid test run on the scientific method is, or second, an atheist who knows but wishes to dispute Christianity using forked tongue logic.

DJR is an example of the former.

Ethan is not an example of a smart person.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/16/2016 7:50:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
No. Very, very occassionally. This happens to the point at which you may as well just call it a coincidence.
"Life calls the tune, we dance."
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3/16/2016 7:51:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?

The cure is lifestyle, detoxification and regeneration of cells. Once the body is regenerated it will cure almost anything when it is nurtured correctly. This is not a God problem but a people problem. If God put band aids on people problems they would never go away, only suppress and resurface.

When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.

To put an end to war would be to put an end to people, and to put an end to famine would be to put an end to nature and Human responsibility.

If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

Common sense, history and personal experience.
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3/16/2016 7:52:17 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:28:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 7:17:52 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.

Why supposedly smart people can't see through this illogical mess is a wonder.

You are not a smart person. Let's see how you show that.

Lets say we were going to test how a father with 4 daughters answers their requests. So the kids ask dad for something, and dad either says yes, no, wait, or let me think about it.

In other words, a smart person would recognize that a father actually answers back to his daughters with an audible voice, thus confirming the requests were heard and acknowledged. To this, the smart person understands no such audible messages are ever received from God.

Could we distinguish that from "random chance"?

Absolutely, by the audible acknowledgements as opposed to complete silence.

How would it look different from random chance?

Perhaps, a smart person would know that God would openly acknowledge the prayer so that we may understand the prayer was indeed answered.

See, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the father and random chance because the Father, being a free willed person, would not answer based on some template or algorithm.

But, the Father did indeed answer his daughters, unlike God answering prayers.

Now, what if the Father knew we were testing his responses to his daughters? Would the test be scientifically valid? Could not the subject (the father) skew the test results?

Who cares? A smart person would not find that relevant, especially considering the answers were audibly heard.

See, the charge that God made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance is bogus. It is non-nonsensical.

And yet, you have failed miserably in showing that.

This charge is used only by two groups of atheists. First, the ones who do not know what a valid test run on the scientific method is, or second, an atheist who knows but wishes to dispute Christianity using forked tongue logic.

DJR is an example of the former.

Ethan is not an example of a smart person.

lol. So Gentle Reader, we see that DJR's criteria for "answered" prayer is not if the thing prayed for happens, but If God answers with an audible voice!

With chance, we hear no voice,and with God we hear no voice, so they are the same!

Do I even need to say anything against this stupidity?

No. I don't think I do.
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3/16/2016 8:03:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:52:17 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 7:28:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 7:17:52 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:49:46 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Yes, and God did such an amazing job at answering prayers, he made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance.

Why supposedly smart people can't see through this illogical mess is a wonder.

You are not a smart person. Let's see how you show that.

Lets say we were going to test how a father with 4 daughters answers their requests. So the kids ask dad for something, and dad either says yes, no, wait, or let me think about it.

In other words, a smart person would recognize that a father actually answers back to his daughters with an audible voice, thus confirming the requests were heard and acknowledged. To this, the smart person understands no such audible messages are ever received from God.

Could we distinguish that from "random chance"?

Absolutely, by the audible acknowledgements as opposed to complete silence.

How would it look different from random chance?

Perhaps, a smart person would know that God would openly acknowledge the prayer so that we may understand the prayer was indeed answered.

See, we wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the father and random chance because the Father, being a free willed person, would not answer based on some template or algorithm.

But, the Father did indeed answer his daughters, unlike God answering prayers.

Now, what if the Father knew we were testing his responses to his daughters? Would the test be scientifically valid? Could not the subject (the father) skew the test results?

Who cares? A smart person would not find that relevant, especially considering the answers were audibly heard.

See, the charge that God made it completely indistinguishable from pure happenstance is bogus. It is non-nonsensical.

And yet, you have failed miserably in showing that.

This charge is used only by two groups of atheists. First, the ones who do not know what a valid test run on the scientific method is, or second, an atheist who knows but wishes to dispute Christianity using forked tongue logic.

DJR is an example of the former.

Ethan is not an example of a smart person.

lol. So Gentle Reader, we see that DJR's criteria for "answered" prayer is not if the thing prayed for happens, but If God answers with an audible voice!

So, Gently Reader, we can see that it was Ethan who brought up the example of a father and his daughters as a direct comparison, but finds the comparison invalid when logic is brought into the equation.

With chance, we hear no voice,and with God we hear no voice, so they are the same!

Do I even need to say anything against this stupidity?

And, as usual, Ethan offers up insults when he no longer is capable of anything to say.

No. I don't think I do.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs.
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3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs. : :

I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind. I didn't need to read a Bible to understand that God is responsible for putting those prayers in my mind and responsible for answering them.
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3/16/2016 8:28:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 7:51:43 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?

The cure is lifestyle, detoxification and regeneration of cells. Once the body is regenerated it will cure almost anything when it is nurtured correctly. This is not a God problem but a people problem. If God put band aids on people problems they would never go away, only suppress and resurface.

When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.

To put an end to war would be to put an end to people, and to put an end to famine would be to put an end to nature and Human responsibility.

If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

Common sense, history and personal experience.

How kind of you to concede that your omnipotent gods have no power to answer prayers.
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3/16/2016 8:32:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.
I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind.
What is subjectivity, O-M? Why are subjective experiences considered inadequate as objective evidence? What must be done with subjective experiences before they are considered reliable? Why is it both ignorant and unethical to pronounce subjective experiences as conclusive or even significant evidence?
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3/16/2016 8:45:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:32:52 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.
I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind.
What is subjectivity, O-M? Why are subjective experiences considered inadequate as objective evidence? What must be done with subjective experiences before they are considered reliable? Why is it both ignorant and unethical to pronounce subjective experiences as conclusive or even significant evidence? : :

If you can show me any objective evidence that prayers didn't enter my mind by God's will that were answered according to his will, then I will honor you instead of the God that put those prayers in my mind.
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3/16/2016 8:50:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:45:46 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:32:52 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.
I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind.
What is subjectivity, O-M? Why are subjective experiences considered inadequate as objective evidence? What must be done with subjective experiences before they are considered reliable? Why is it both ignorant and unethical to pronounce subjective experiences as conclusive or even significant evidence? : :
If you can show me any objective evidence that prayers didn't enter my mind by God's will that were answered according to his will, then I will honor you instead of the God that put those prayers in my mind.
I don't seek such honours. Rather, I prefer that people claiming knowledge actually understand what knowledge is, and are sufficiently accountable for the knowledge they claim.

Claiming knowledge, but shifting the burden of proof that you know anything, is both ignorant and unethical.

That's what happens when you give reign to your subjective impressions, and avoid rigour and accountability for the authorities you claim.

That's what you've done here, and it's what ancient authors, ignorant theologians and cynical clergy have done for millennia.

Which is why I mentioned it.
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3/16/2016 9:09:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs. : :

I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind. I didn't need to read a Bible to understand that God is responsible for putting those prayers in my mind and responsible for answering them.

What's the point of that?
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3/16/2016 9:27:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?
When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.
If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

God already gave us a cure for cancer. Ourmedicibe is our food. Two issues arise. 1 the manmade increase of carcinogens and the bussiness censorship and counter interest.

We could also pray for a cure for stupidity, but God has already ordained people are free ti be athiest
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3/16/2016 9:38:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:27:02 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?
When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.
If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

God already gave us a cure for cancer. Ourmedicibe is our food. Two issues arise. 1 the manmade increase of carcinogens and the bussiness censorship and counter interest.

We could also pray for a cure for stupidity, but God has already ordained people are free ti be athiest.

Yet, millions of people are still dying of cancer.

Believing stuff without evidence would seem more stupid than the opposite.

btw it might be a good idea to install spellcheck on your computer.
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3/16/2016 9:39:23 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 8:50:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:45:46 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:32:52 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.
I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind.
What is subjectivity, O-M? Why are subjective experiences considered inadequate as objective evidence? What must be done with subjective experiences before they are considered reliable? Why is it both ignorant and unethical to pronounce subjective experiences as conclusive or even significant evidence? : :
If you can show me any objective evidence that prayers didn't enter my mind by God's will that were answered according to his will, then I will honor you instead of the God that put those prayers in my mind.
I don't seek such honours. Rather, I prefer that people claiming knowledge actually understand what knowledge is, and are sufficiently accountable for the knowledge they claim.

Claiming knowledge, but shifting the burden of proof that you know anything, is both ignorant and unethical.

That's what happens when you give reign to your subjective impressions, and avoid rigour and accountability for the authorities you claim.

That's what you've done here, and it's what ancient authors, ignorant theologians and cynical clergy have done for millennia.

Which is why I mentioned it. :

I'm not ignorant at all to the knowledge that was revealed to me about how we were created and how we'll experience life in the future.

All it takes is belief in this knowledge I possess. There is no evidence that this knowledge exists, even if I write or speak it to you.
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3/16/2016 9:46:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:09:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs. : :

I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind. I didn't need to read a Bible to understand that God is responsible for putting those prayers in my mind and responsible for answering them.

What's the point of that? : :

The point was to get me to trust God before he used me to testify to his knowledge about his creation and his plan for it in the future.

By witnessing miracles that is scientifically impossible according to scientists or doubters, it's easy to get to trust our Creator. However, it took six miracles and many other mysterious dealings with our Creator before he finally used me to start writing and speaking for him.

It takes total trust in a Creator who is invisible to his creation and only his voice can be heard but that voice, which is now understood by me as my created existence, is where all knowledge came forth in my mind to write and speak for him. This is how he taught me everything he wanted me to know before the body that's writing this post has been killed.

You should know my body by the time you read this sentence but the body is not who I am. I am totally invisible to you or anyone else in your world and mine. I can only be heard by chosen believers. In the next part of the program, all the characters in it will know My voice, known as My Servant David in the following biblical prophecy;

Ezekiel 34
22: I will save my flock, they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
23: And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd.
24: And I, the LORD, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.
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3/16/2016 9:58:56 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:46:59 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:09:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs. : :

I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind. I didn't need to read a Bible to understand that God is responsible for putting those prayers in my mind and responsible for answering them.

What's the point of that? : :

The point was to get me to trust God before he used me to testify to his knowledge about his creation and his plan for it in the future.

By witnessing miracles that is scientifically impossible according to scientists or doubters, it's easy to get to trust our Creator. However, it took six miracles and many other mysterious dealings with our Creator before he finally used me to start writing and speaking for him.

It takes total trust in a Creator who is invisible to his creation and only his voice can be heard but that voice, which is now understood by me as my created existence, is where all knowledge came forth in my mind to write and speak for him. This is how he taught me everything he wanted me to know before the body that's writing this post has been killed.

You should know my body by the time you read this sentence but the body is not who I am. I am totally invisible to you or anyone else in your world and mine. I can only be heard by chosen believers. In the next part of the program, all the characters in it will know My voice, known as My Servant David in the following biblical prophecy;

Ezekiel 34
22: I will save my flock, they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
23: And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd.
24: And I, the LORD, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.

This might interest you, Brad. It shows that the Earth we live on is created,and not the result of random occurance.

https://www.youtube.com...
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3/16/2016 10:04:37 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

God is to busy killing little boys and girls with car accidents and cancer to answer your prayers
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3/16/2016 10:05:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:58:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:46:59 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:09:36 PM, janesix wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.

But under no circumstances are any of these issues attributable to the ignorance and cruelty of ancient authors who wrote your scriptures, the laziness, ignorance, dishonesty and conceit of theological scholars who studied them, or the cynical ambition of the pompous clergy who propagate these beliefs. : :

I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind. I didn't need to read a Bible to understand that God is responsible for putting those prayers in my mind and responsible for answering them.

What's the point of that? : :

The point was to get me to trust God before he used me to testify to his knowledge about his creation and his plan for it in the future.

By witnessing miracles that is scientifically impossible according to scientists or doubters, it's easy to get to trust our Creator. However, it took six miracles and many other mysterious dealings with our Creator before he finally used me to start writing and speaking for him.

It takes total trust in a Creator who is invisible to his creation and only his voice can be heard but that voice, which is now understood by me as my created existence, is where all knowledge came forth in my mind to write and speak for him. This is how he taught me everything he wanted me to know before the body that's writing this post has been killed.

You should know my body by the time you read this sentence but the body is not who I am. I am totally invisible to you or anyone else in your world and mine. I can only be heard by chosen believers. In the next part of the program, all the characters in it will know My voice, known as My Servant David in the following biblical prophecy;

Ezekiel 34
22: I will save my flock, they shall no longer be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
23: And I will set up over them one shepherd, my servant David, and he shall feed them: he shall feed them and be their shepherd.
24: And I, the LORD, will be their God, and my servant David shall be prince among them; I, the LORD, have spoken.

This might interest you, Brad. It shows that the Earth we live on is created,and not the result of random occurance.


Yes. I totally understand that atheist scientists are still trying to convince their followers that everything appeared out of sheer randomness. LOL !!!!!! They won't understand my Voice until they awaken in their new bodies in Paradise, the New Heaven and Earth that is promised to us all in the near future, but only after your body dies in the world you perceive with your created senses.

Our Creator created everything starting with invisible thoughts that had to be carefully planned before speaking those thoughts into technology that we created beings can't possibly see or understand yet. This is why he used characters called prophets, saints and believers like you to deliver this information about his creation through our written and spoken testimonies. He also uses a lot of visions, dreams and spoken analogies in my mind to teach me very deep things that even scientists can't even understand.

Have a nice day my friend.
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3/16/2016 10:08:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 10:04:37 PM, missmedic wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

God is to busy killing little boys and girls with car accidents and cancer to answer your prayers.

You're absolutely correct my friend. That's why he hasn't put any prayers in my mind since 8 years ago. He has to finish killing off all the inhabitants who believe they're standing on a real earth in a real universe. They surely would be surprised if they believed the future that I understand very well.
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3/16/2016 11:11:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:38:15 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:27:02 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?
When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.
If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

God already gave us a cure for cancer. Ourmedicibe is our food. Two issues arise. 1 the manmade increase of carcinogens and the bussiness censorship and counter interest.

We could also pray for a cure for stupidity, but God has already ordained people are free ti be athiest.

Yet, millions of people are still dying of cancer.

Believing stuff without evidence would seem more stupid than the opposite.

btw it might be a good idea to install spellcheck on your computer.

You don't read so well do you. I clearly stated that there is a natural cure to cancer, but people are dieing from cancer becuase the cure is kept from the people, depleted in our food, and compounded by an increase in carcinogens.

Having a cure in the world doesn't no one will die from cancer.

If people wanted to eliminate cancer from the world it would be a drastically different agriculture, diet, activity, and unrecognizaby different pharmacy business.
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3/16/2016 11:31:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 11:11:07 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:38:15 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 9:27:02 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 3/16/2016 5:07:51 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/16/2016 4:16:13 PM, one-mind wrote:
Matthew 6
1: "Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.
2: "Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
3: But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing,
4: so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
5: "And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.
6: But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
7: "And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words.
8: Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
9: Pray then like this: Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

All the answers to prayers are predetermined according to God's will. If your prayer wasn't answered, then there wasn't any plan to answer your prayer.

Could all you godbotherers who believe that prayers are answered please pray for a cure for cancer?
When that one has been answered please start praying for an end to war and famine.
If those are answered (lol) Please pray to your god/s to identify which one answered them.

God already gave us a cure for cancer. Ourmedicibe is our food. Two issues arise. 1 the manmade increase of carcinogens and the bussiness censorship and counter interest.

We could also pray for a cure for stupidity, but God has already ordained people are free ti be athiest.

Yet, millions of people are still dying of cancer.

Believing stuff without evidence would seem more stupid than the opposite.

btw it might be a good idea to install spellcheck on your computer.

You don't read so well do you. I clearly stated that there is a natural cure to cancer, but people are dieing from cancer becuase the cure is kept from the people, depleted in our food, and compounded by an increase in carcinogens.

Having a cure in the world doesn't no one will die from cancer.

If people wanted to eliminate cancer from the world it would be a drastically different agriculture, diet, activity, and unrecognizaby different pharmacy business. : :

Our Creator is responsible for all healings.

Deuteronomy 32
39: "`See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god beside me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
RuvDraba
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3/17/2016 12:40:28 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/16/2016 9:39:23 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:50:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:45:46 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:32:52 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:16:58 PM, one-mind wrote:
At 3/16/2016 8:06:49 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
If the Bible is unauthenticated and inconsistent, that's your fault.
If the history, geography, astronomy, biology and medicine outlined in the Bible are incorrect, that's your fault.
If all the alleged wonders in the world turn out to be predictable phenomena, that's your fault.
If the allegedly morally-ordered universe claimed by the Bible appears to be amoral and indifferent to you, that's your fault.
If the morality, ethics, marriages and families of Christians are no better than those of the irreligious, that's your fault.
If Christian history is full of theologically-justified atrocities, that's your fault.
And finally, if your prayers are no more effective than a placebo, that's your fault.
I witnessed the answers to all six prayers that God put in my mind.
What is subjectivity, O-M? Why are subjective experiences considered inadequate as objective evidence? What must be done with subjective experiences before they are considered reliable? Why is it both ignorant and unethical to pronounce subjective experiences as conclusive or even significant evidence? : :
If you can show me any objective evidence that prayers didn't enter my mind by God's will that were answered according to his will, then I will honor you instead of the God that put those prayers in my mind.
I don't seek such honours. Rather, I prefer that people claiming knowledge actually understand what knowledge is, and are sufficiently accountable for the knowledge they claim.

Claiming knowledge, but shifting the burden of proof that you know anything, is both ignorant and unethical.

That's what happens when you give reign to your subjective impressions, and avoid rigour and accountability for the authorities you claim.

That's what you've done here, and it's what ancient authors, ignorant theologians and cynical clergy have done for millennia.

Which is why I mentioned it.

All it takes is belief
That's correct. If people believed your assertions without demanding evidence, you could claim whatever authorities you liked.

There is no evidence that this knowledge exists, even if I write or speak it to you.
Unevidenced, it's not knowledge. It's got another name.

Conjecture.

There's no limit in the extent to which vain, ignorant and ambitious people will claim conjecture as truth without submitting their ideas to extensive, independent testing.