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Evidence of Spiritual entities.

Mhykiel
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3/21/2016 4:48:31 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
http://insider.foxnews.com...

Multiple officers at the scene of a car crash heard the audible yelling of a woman for help. Upon entering and securing the car, only a non-speaking toddler was found.

As Spirit is defined a being immaterial or not having a commonly accepted physical form. It is appropriate to call the voice a spiritual production. Given that the audible sound were relevant speech to the event at hand, intelligence is trivially assumed.
janesix
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3/21/2016 5:08:38 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 4:48:31 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
http://insider.foxnews.com...

Multiple officers at the scene of a car crash heard the audible yelling of a woman for help. Upon entering and securing the car, only a non-speaking toddler was found.

As Spirit is defined a being immaterial or not having a commonly accepted physical form. It is appropriate to call the voice a spiritual production. Given that the audible sound were relevant speech to the event at hand, intelligence is trivially assumed.
Thats not evidence. Thats an anecdote.
dee-em
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3/21/2016 5:47:38 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 4:48:31 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
http://insider.foxnews.com...

Multiple officers at the scene of a car crash heard the audible yelling of a woman for help. Upon entering and securing the car, only a non-speaking toddler was found.

The gullibility of theists never ceases to amaze me. This is likely a case of apophenia.

Besides, this would have to be one dumb spirit. What's the point of crying for help when the rescue officers were already there? The overturned car had been reported a while earlier by a fisherman. He heard no cries for help (when it would have really mattered).

http://news.discovery.com...

As Spirit is defined a being immaterial or not having a commonly accepted physical form. It is appropriate to call the voice a spiritual production. Given that the audible sound were relevant speech to the event at hand, intelligence is trivially assumed.

Tell us o wise one, how does the immaterial vibrate air molecules to produce human sound without a larynx and a tongue? We want details. Please give us the mechanism by which the physical is manipulated by the immaterial.

There is no evidence for spiritual entities. The Randi Foundation has proved that beyond all doubt. The money is still up for grabs I believe.
Bennett91
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3/21/2016 6:05:55 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
"It felt like I could hear someone telling me, 'I need help,'" DeWitt told CNN affiliate KSL. "It was very surreal, something that I felt like I could hear." [http://www.cnn.com...]

Combined with hypothermia which can cause hallucinations, pareidolia seems in line with the officer's testimony.

"Pareidolia is a type of apophenia involving the perception of images or sounds in random stimuli. For example, hearing a ringing phone while taking a shower. The noise produced by the running water provides a background from which the mind perceives the sound of a phone.' [https://en.wikipedia.org...]

The officers would have been trained and primed to listen for calls for help as part of their job, so perhaps they erred on the side of caution when interpreting the sound as human caused.

But I'm more interested in your immediate assumption that the voice was a 3rd party being. If you really want to speculate it could be evidence of a spiritual connection humans have w/each other; perhaps subconsciously life was detected in the car by the officers - and the voice was a manifestation of that connection calling out in emergency.
Bennett91
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3/21/2016 6:06:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 5:47:38 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 3/21/2016 4:48:31 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
http://insider.foxnews.com...

Multiple officers at the scene of a car crash heard the audible yelling of a woman for help. Upon entering and securing the car, only a non-speaking toddler was found.

The gullibility of theists never ceases to amaze me. This is likely a case of apophenia.

Ah you beat me to it!
Mhykiel
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3/22/2016 2:31:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
http://www.csmonitor.com...

Units like the Police and Firefighters don't take chances and often will treat for hypothermia even when it is mild.

Saying the audible yells were due to hypothermia doesn't explain why rescuers not treated heard the voice.

It was stated the initial caller didn't hear the voice, but in this report the Fisherman called back 90 seconds later to say someone was inside. It's likely the Fisherman was calling from a distance and moved in closer while calling 911.
RuvDraba
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3/22/2016 2:50:06 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Argument from ignorance: I don't know what it is, therefore I know what it is.

Disembodied voices, if they occurred, could be recognised scientifically. However, your conjecture fails multiple of the most basic scientific criteria, Mhykiel: it lacks transparency, repeatability, falsifiability, independent research and accountability to all the data. It's not even a viable hypothesis.

This is the methodology of a member who sneers selectively at scientific product?

Intellectually, this is perhaps the most disappointing post I've ever seen you write. Nobody who posts such material should presume to critique scientific results or methods until they are better educated in how a viable hypothesis is actually constructed.