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3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....
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3/21/2016 8:56:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....

So why dosn't jesus/god cure ALL people with mental illness? Or physical illness for that matter.
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3/21/2016 9:12:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....

So do you actually believe mental health problems are caused by evil spirits and demons?

It really amazes me someone could actually believe in such things. They are clearly myths. Absolutely no evidence exists of such things. Mental health is now understood by modern healthcare professionals. It is clear that the 1st century humans who wrote the gospels did not understand mental health problems. A god would have explained to them what they were really caused by if he was inspiring their writing.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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3/21/2016 9:37:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 9:12:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....

So do you actually believe mental health problems are caused by evil spirits and demons?

No, I believe some things are caused by non material circumstances, I leave room for non secular dynamics, because I know them to be true.

It really amazes me someone could actually believe in such things. They are clearly myths. Absolutely no evidence exists of such things. Mental health is now understood by modern healthcare professionals. It is clear that the 1st century humans who wrote the gospels did not understand mental health problems. A god would have explained to them what they were really caused by if he was inspiring their writing.

No, it is understood in a secular fashion, that does not eliminate the possibility of spiritual influence, this is a matter of perception not truth. Secularism will always have a "rationale", that means little in ultimate truth...
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3/21/2016 9:42:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:56:25 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....

So why dosn't jesus/god cure ALL people with mental illness? Or physical illness for that matter.

Because it's every man for himself, not what Jesus accomplishes lol.... what Jesus accomplishes is an example, not automatic...
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3/21/2016 9:47:16 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Sure He did. He knew the difference between epilepsy and demon posession.
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3/21/2016 9:48:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
So his fame spread throughout all Syria, and they brought him all the sick, those afflicted with various diseases and pains, those oppressed by demons, epileptics, and paralytics, and he healed them.

Matthew 4:24
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3/21/2016 9:52:48 PM
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At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

The fact is that you hate Jesus. No amount of proof, evidence, prophecy, miracles, answered prayers, etc will ever matter Chloe. It's about the heart, and your heart chooses to stay far from Him.
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3/21/2016 10:01:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same.

Can you prove they were not demons? How? Do you even know what demon is?
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3/21/2016 10:26:40 PM
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At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Jesus did heal the lunatic therefore there was a distinction between mental illness and possession by devils:

Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Mat_17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

It"s not that anyone is smarter or dumber by virtue of the times they lived in, it"s just some people are dumber by virtue of their own vicious pride. And the OP is a perfect example of such.
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3/22/2016 12:03:01 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 9:37:53 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 9:12:53 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:53:05 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Yet you did not deal with the fact that the demon left and the man began to speak, obviously Jesus knew what He was doing lol....

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.


And the demon possessed man was delivered.....

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

So you mock the works of Jesus and yet ignore the positive outcomes.... why? what does it matter to you accept the people were healed or delivered....

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Yet the people were cured, how ironic you would ignore that to prove an atheistic view.... what people don't realize whether secular or not is that all things begin in the spirit, long term or short term and that is where Jesus attacked it.
You, as an atheist do not recognize spirits or demons, so everything to your perception is material and secular... I got news for you, that's not the way God sees it....

So do you actually believe mental health problems are caused by evil spirits and demons?

No, I believe some things are caused by non material circumstances, I leave room for non secular dynamics, because I know them to be true.

It really amazes me someone could actually believe in such things. They are clearly myths. Absolutely no evidence exists of such things. Mental health is now understood by modern healthcare professionals. It is clear that the 1st century humans who wrote the gospels did not understand mental health problems. A god would have explained to them what they were really caused by if he was inspiring their writing.

No, it is understood in a secular fashion, that does not eliminate the possibility of spiritual influence, this is a matter of perception not truth. Secularism will always have a "rationale", that means little in ultimate truth...

The thing is nothing has ever been observed suggesting spirits exist. If they did they would have been discovered by now.
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3/22/2016 12:04:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 9:47:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

Sure He did. He knew the difference between epilepsy and demon posession.

Do you actually think it's possible for someone to be possessed by a demon? If so why is it never observed today?
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3/22/2016 12:08:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 10:01:33 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same.

Can you prove they were not demons? How? Do you even know what demon is?

Yes I can prove that claim as all mental illnesses known to effect the human mind have not been caused by demons. No demons have ever been observed in the ways often described by biblical scripture.
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3/22/2016 12:11:21 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 10:26:40 PM, DPMartin wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.



If you knew what you were talking about you would know that Jesus did heal the lunatic therefore there was a distinction between mental illness and possession by devils:

Mat_4:24 And his fame went throughout all Syria: and they brought unto him all sick people that were taken with divers diseases and torments, and those which were possessed with devils, and those which were lunatick, and those that had the palsy; and he healed them.
Mat_17:15 Lord, have mercy on my son: for he is lunatick, and sore vexed: for ofttimes he falleth into the fire, and oft into the water.

It"s not that anyone is smarter or dumber by virtue of the times they lived in, it"s just some people are dumber by virtue of their own vicious pride. And the OP is a perfect example of such.

Some people choose blind faith in 1st century books. Some people believe demons are real things. Some people make rational decisions based on 21st century scienctific and medical knowledge.
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3/22/2016 12:38:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

This is a falsehood.

Research merely "implies" that psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia are a brain disorder. This is merely an opinion of the treating physician and nothing more. During research, a chemical imbalance was noted among schizophrenics. This could easily be explained by the fact that the majority of schizophrenic cases today would have brain damage do to drug abuse such as methamphetamine and crack cocaine. Obvious sins that could bring evil spirits into one's life. The paranoid drug user or schizophrenic believing that they are being followed by the FBI could easily be being deceived by devils. They are known for masquerading as something they are not and lying. It has been known for thousands of years to have been sin and the devils, including demons, to cause psychotic disorders. You can ask any psychiatrist, they do not know what causes schizophrenia. Their research is merely guesswork. And many schizophrenics who live with the problem on a daily basis will tell you that it is the devils. If fact some psychiatrists will tell you that it might be evil spirits as well.

This thread is a good example of how ignorance get's spread. One should get the facts before posting such gibberish.
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3/22/2016 12:38:57 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Chloe, with this thread as with many others you post about Christian traditions, I often have nothing constructive to contribute.

It seems incontestable to me that an independent eye reviewing ancient Christian scriptures reveals systematic ignorance vastly at odds with Christian claims to authoritative revelation. Christian scripture is full of authoritative revelations coming from the mouths of ignoramuses, who are often cruel and unjust to boot.

This must be apparent to adherents too, since one can frequently see them strain to reconcile it.

And because it's incontestable, it seems to me that there's no point contesting it. Theologians and lay adherents embrace revisionism almost unashamedly, and use it however they want with no great accountability for doing so. So those who want to ignore the problems of divine revelations by cruel, unjust ignoramuses, will do so on whatever flimsy pretext, while those who don't will merely revise the history and traditions of their faith.

So as I said, I have nothing constructive to contribute, but nevertheless I often appreciate the way you think these matters though. :)
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3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?
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3/22/2016 1:06:44 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 12:38:40 AM, scottrp wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

This is a falsehood.

Research merely "implies" that psychotic disorders such as schizophrenia are a brain disorder. This is merely an opinion of the treating physician and nothing more. During research, a chemical imbalance was noted among schizophrenics. This could easily be explained by the fact that the majority of schizophrenic cases today would have brain damage do to drug abuse such as methamphetamine and crack cocaine. Obvious sins that could bring evil spirits into one's life. The paranoid drug user or schizophrenic believing that they are being followed by the FBI could easily be being deceived by devils. They are known for masquerading as something they are not and lying. It has been known for thousands of years to have been sin and the devils, including demons, to cause psychotic disorders. You can ask any psychiatrist, they do not know what causes schizophrenia. Their research is merely guesswork. And many schizophrenics who live with the problem on a daily basis will tell you that it is the devils. If fact some psychiatrists will tell you that it might be evil spirits as well.

This thread is a good example of how ignorance get's spread. One should get the facts before posting such gibberish.

No I am showing you what is actually written in the bible. This is such a clear piece of evidence disproving Christianity. You try and counter my arguments with unsubstantiated illogical claims evil spirits exist. Your claim is like saying that someone cannot prove yeti does not exist. If something has never been observed or witnessed and no evidence exists anywhere suggesting the alleged thing exists it is safe to say it's a myth. Mythical tales and stories prove nothing. If you want to learn what really causes schizophrenia then read this.

http://www.mind.org.uk...

It amazes me someone could actually believe devils and evil spirits cause schizophrenia. It's as illogic as claiming the earth is flat.
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3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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3/22/2016 1:14:27 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 12:38:57 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
Chloe, with this thread as with many others you post about Christian traditions, I often have nothing constructive to contribute.

It seems incontestable to me that an independent eye reviewing ancient Christian scriptures reveals systematic ignorance vastly at odds with Christian claims to authoritative revelation. Christian scripture is full of authoritative revelations coming from the mouths of ignoramuses, who are often cruel and unjust to boot.

This must be apparent to adherents too, since one can frequently see them strain to reconcile it.

And because it's incontestable, it seems to me that there's no point contesting it. Theologians and lay adherents embrace revisionism almost unashamedly, and use it however they want with no great accountability for doing so. So those who want to ignore the problems of divine revelations by cruel, unjust ignoramuses, will do so on whatever flimsy pretext, while those who don't will merely revise the history and traditions of their faith.

So as I said, I have nothing constructive to contribute, but nevertheless I often appreciate the way you think these matters though. :)

Thanks. Yes it can be hard to add to threads made by other atheists/agnostics sometimes. Often all that can be said is- I agree. It's so easy to use Christian scripture to disprove Christianity. It amazes me how often otherwise intelligent people attemp to defend such illogical nonsense. Each Christian finds their own way of bending the scripture to get them out of whatever hole my threads put them in. It seems to me no two Christians interpret the bible the same way.
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3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.
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3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.
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3/22/2016 1:36:59 AM
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Chloe8,
The major psychotic disorder is schizophrenia. Psychiatry does not know the cause of schizophrenia. You should look it up. Many patients will tell you that it is evil spirits. Even some psychiatrists will tell you that it may be evil spirits. You obviously lack knowledge of psychotic disorders.
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3/22/2016 1:37:59 AM
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At 3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.

I don't believe that. I believe the Bible when it says He put the demons into the pigs. It's you who said it wasn't demons, but rather mental illness.
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3/22/2016 2:04:58 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.

The demons drove the pigs mad and they committed suicide. The word madness has been changed to insanity and now today it is called a psychosis. Notice how the word insanity was changed to a psychosis. This was done to hide the errors of the treating physicians. They used to drill holes in the insane persons head to release evil spirits. The problem with this is that evil spirits do not reside in the heads of their victims. And needless to say, drilling holes in patients heads killed a lot of people. And then there was the frontal lobotomy. This was the equivalent of sticking an ice pick in a person's frontal lobe. Patients either died or sustained major brain damage. And then it wasn't too long ago that this line of physicians unethically used excessive shock and medication to subdue these patients to make them more manageable. Psychiatry and it's forefathers have a long history of abusive treatment and still today have no cure for psychotic disorders. They have not cured a single person. Although, they have damaged and even killed many patients. Even the pharmaceutical treatment given today does more damage to the patients than healing them. Patients report a great deal of side effects from modern medications, including diabetes. And yet still they have not cured a single person.
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3/22/2016 2:18:36 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 2:04:58 AM, scottrp wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.

The demons drove the pigs mad and they committed suicide. The word madness has been changed to insanity and now today it is called a psychosis. Notice how the word insanity was changed to a psychosis. This was done to hide the errors of the treating physicians. They used to drill holes in the insane persons head to release evil spirits. The problem with this is that evil spirits do not reside in the heads of their victims. And needless to say, drilling holes in patients heads killed a lot of people. And then there was the frontal lobotomy. This was the equivalent of sticking an ice pick in a person's frontal lobe. Patients either died or sustained major brain damage. And then it wasn't too long ago that this line of physicians unethically used excessive shock and medication to subdue these patients to make them more manageable. Psychiatry and it's forefathers have a long history of abusive treatment and still today have no cure for psychotic disorders. They have not cured a single person. Although, they have damaged and even killed many patients. Even the pharmaceutical treatment given today does more damage to the patients than healing them. Patients report a great deal of side effects from modern medications, including diabetes. And yet still they have not cured a single person.

Hahaha! Seriously do you believe that? I personally know many people cured of mental health problems. Medication only deals with symptoms not the cause of the problem. It is possible to cure some conditions and manage others. Some are impossible to treat. If you check statistics people who receive medical help for mental health issues have a much better recovery rate then those who do not. Through counciling, therapy and medication schizophrenia can In some cases be cured.
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3/22/2016 2:28:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 2:18:36 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 2:04:58 AM, scottrp wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.

The demons drove the pigs mad and they committed suicide. The word madness has been changed to insanity and now today it is called a psychosis. Notice how the word insanity was changed to a psychosis. This was done to hide the errors of the treating physicians. They used to drill holes in the insane persons head to release evil spirits. The problem with this is that evil spirits do not reside in the heads of their victims. And needless to say, drilling holes in patients heads killed a lot of people. And then there was the frontal lobotomy. This was the equivalent of sticking an ice pick in a person's frontal lobe. Patients either died or sustained major brain damage. And then it wasn't too long ago that this line of physicians unethically used excessive shock and medication to subdue these patients to make them more manageable. Psychiatry and it's forefathers have a long history of abusive treatment and still today have no cure for psychotic disorders. They have not cured a single person. Although, they have damaged and even killed many patients. Even the pharmaceutical treatment given today does more damage to the patients than healing them. Patients report a great deal of side effects from modern medications, including diabetes. And yet still they have not cured a single person.

Hahaha! Seriously do you believe that? I personally know many people cured of mental health problems. Medication only deals with symptoms not the cause of the problem. It is possible to cure some conditions and manage others. Some are impossible to treat. If you check statistics people who receive medical help for mental health issues have a much better recovery rate then those who do not. Through counciling, therapy and medication schizophrenia can In some cases be cured.

Psychiatrists will tell you that there is no cure for schizophrenia. Look it up!
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3/22/2016 5:41:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:29:46 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:23:03 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:08:29 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 3/22/2016 1:06:26 AM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 3/21/2016 8:38:36 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In Biblical times, it was widely understood that many of the maladies that people were suffering were caused by evil spirits. This included many forms of mental illness and other organic diseases. Over time, scientific discoveries revealed the actual causes of these problems, and the concept of evil spirits was discarded. Unfortunately for Christianity, the ancient misguided beliefs remain ensconced in their scriptures.

Some examples:

Luke 11:14

One day Jesus cast out a demon from a man who couldn"t speak, and when the demon was gone, the man began to speak. The crowds were amazed,

Matthew 8: 18-34

When He arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met Him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. "What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs." He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw Him, they pleaded with Him to leave their region.

Luke 4:33-37

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an impure spirit. He cried out at the top of his voice, "Go away! What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth?Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are"the Holy One of God!" "Be quiet!" Jesus said sternly. "Come out of him!" Then the demon threw the man down before them all and came out without injuring him. All the people were amazed and said to each other, "What words these are! With authority and power he gives orders to impure spirits and they come out!" And the news about him spread throughout the surrounding area.

These are only a few examples of the references to demons and evil spirits in the Gospels. It should be noted that if Jesus was God, he would have known that the diseases he was "curing" were not caused by evil spirits and would have informed his followers of the same. The fact that the Gospels align with the unscientific ideas of the times indicates that they were written by men without inspiration from a god.

How did He put a mental illness into a pig?

He didn't it's simply a myth.

Or He did.

I can guarantee with 100% certainly that Jesus did not give a pig a mental illness. As you obviously actually believe this crazy unsubstantiated myth why would Jesus want to inflict a mental illness on a pig? It's cruel barbaric and unnecessary.

I don't think the villagers were much impressed with this alleged god-man either. In attempting to 'solve' one problem he created an even bigger one. The villagers lost their herd of pigs and would probably starve through the winter. No wonder they ordered him to clear out. What a dunce.
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3/22/2016 7:43:26 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/22/2016 1:36:59 AM, scottrp wrote:
Chloe8,
The major psychotic disorder is schizophrenia. Psychiatry does not know the cause of schizophrenia. You should look it up. Many patients will tell you that it is evil spirits. Even some psychiatrists will tell you that it may be evil spirits. You obviously lack knowledge of psychotic disorders.

No psychiatrist who wishes to keep his license to practise will tell you that schizophrenia is caused by evil spirits.