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bulproof
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3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
Harikrish
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3/24/2016 2:57:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?
That art was lost a long time ago. That is why mental illness is on the rise. You were banned twice for your stupidity on DDO. These were very close calls. those demons were making you stupid.
matt8800
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3/24/2016 3:49:48 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?

Hmmm....sounds like an idea for a new business. You could have people pay upfront and banish their "demons" over skype. Wouldn't have to leave the comfort of your home and plenty of people believe in demons.

I wonder if law enforcement would prevent you from doing that. After all, how can they prove you aren't actually banishing demons? ;)

Would make for an interesting documentary.
bulproof
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3/25/2016 2:05:36 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:57:49 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?
That art was lost a long time ago. That is why mental illness is on the rise. You were banned twice for your stupidity on DDO. These were very close calls. those demons were making you stupid.
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Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
nonwo
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3/25/2016 2:18:18 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose? : :

Evil spirits are just bad vibrations. Don't worry, only good vibrations will exist in Paradise.
VirBinarus
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3/25/2016 7:20:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 2:18:18 AM, nonwo wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.

That's because Church is the cure.

How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose? : :

That wasn't his purpose for them.

Evil spirits are just bad vibrations. Don't worry, only good vibrations will exist in Paradise.

"the finest trick of the devil is to persuade you that he does not exist" - Charles Baudelaire

Evil spirits do exist, and are dangerous things.

"You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe"and shudder!"
"Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing."
1 thessalonians, 5:11
RuvDraba
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3/25/2016 8:36:25 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 7:20:14 AM, VirBinarus wrote:
Evil spirits do exist, and are dangerous things.
How could you falsify their existence if they didn't?

We know how to falsify unicorns,VB. We learn about where they're located, what they eat, how they behave, we get a physical description of them and then we systematically look for things matching that description, eliminating anything similar that nevertheless doesn't reasonably match -- like horses, goats and narwhals.

So although unicorns don't exist they're a valid conjecture: valid in the sense that entertaining the conjecture can contribute constructively to our knowledge. If they exist, we can find that out; if they don't, we can learn that systematically, to any level of probability we want, and that will offer us evidence toward other knowledge: how humans produce ideas that nevertheless don't exist.

How do spirits falsify though? If a problem were ever created by a spirit, how would you find that out for sure? If no problems were created by spirits, how would you know?

They're not a valid conjecture, VB. Unicorns are false, but valid. However, unlike unicorns, unfalsifiable conjectures, as some scientists say, are 'not even false': they're epistemologically worse than falsehoods.

And scaring people by saying something terrible will happen unless they believe is both unjust and cruel: unjust because the people making the claim avoid all accountability for any ignorance and error. Cruel because it scares people without ever offering any knowledge to empower them.

If claimants really wanted to make a valid claim they could do so: say specifically what significant effects spirits are supposed to produce, where and when, and how those effects are achieved and verified, and then abandon those claims entirely if they are not found true.

Why abandon them? Because assumptions that demand false predictions are false assumptions, while a methodology whose mechanisms don't work or don't exist is a bad methodology, and to pursue it if they don't work is dishonest, unconstructive, cruel and unjust.
EtrnlVw
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3/25/2016 4:46:58 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.

Lol, Jesus didn't cast out spirits in everyone, only the people who had one, note that Jesus did not cast out demons of blind men, those who were physically ill, lame or had physical ailments like missing limbs...
The legion of demons Jesus cast into pigs was not a physical ailment knucklehead, nor were the others that had a spiritual problem. The rest He only laid hands on, confirmed their own faith or commanded it. Read the Gospels!!

Doctors, physicians and surgeons are not trained for spiritual understanding or reality, they do what they do and that is related to the physical body only.
If a person has no faith, don't know what spiritual afflictions are they rely on physicians, period, two different worlds two different studies.

How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?

Where was that "declared" exactly?
DanneJeRusse
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3/25/2016 5:03:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:46:58 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.

Lol, Jesus didn't cast out spirits in everyone, only the people who had one, note that Jesus did not cast out demons of blind men, those who were physically ill, lame or had physical ailments like missing limbs...
The legion of demons Jesus cast into pigs was not a physical ailment knucklehead, nor were the others that had a spiritual problem. The rest He only laid hands on, confirmed their own faith or commanded it. Read the Gospels!!

Doctors, physicians and surgeons are not trained for spiritual understanding or reality, they do what they do and that is related to the physical body only.

Actually, doctors, physicians and surgeons ALL deal with reality, some doctors will even treat your hallucinations.

If a person has no faith, don't know what spiritual afflictions are they rely on physicians, period, two different worlds two different studies.

There is no such thing as "spiritual afflictions" because spiritual is a meaningless word.

How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?

Where was that "declared" exactly?
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dsjpk5
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3/25/2016 5:04:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.
How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?

Chapter and verse, please.
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nonwo
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3/25/2016 5:07:50 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:46:58 PM, EtrnlVw wrote:
At 3/24/2016 2:03:59 PM, bulproof wrote:
There isn't a doctor or physician or surgeon who banishes evil spirits from their patients and yet they cure them from diseases of the most devastating variety.

Lol, Jesus didn't cast out spirits in everyone, only the people who had one, note that Jesus did not cast out demons of blind men, those who were physically ill, lame or had physical ailments like missing limbs...
The legion of demons Jesus cast into pigs was not a physical ailment knucklehead, nor were the others that had a spiritual problem. The rest He only laid hands on, confirmed their own faith or commanded it. Read the Gospels!!

Doctors, physicians and surgeons are not trained for spiritual understanding or reality, they do what they do and that is related to the physical body only.
If a person has no faith, don't know what spiritual afflictions are they rely on physicians, period, two different worlds two different studies.

How is that possible when your god declares the ill's that afflict mankind are the evil spirits created by said god for that purpose?

Where was that "declared" exactly? : :

Are all theists trained to understand this; http://www.debate.org...