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3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM
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This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?
Pro-Life Quotes:

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- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
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3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 4:57:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Exactly what I am now, myself.
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3/25/2016 5:00:29 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Human.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.

They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
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3/25/2016 5:04:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)

Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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3/25/2016 5:04:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 4:57:00 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Exactly what I am now, myself.
But, yourself is an atheist.

Why don't you believe in God?
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
NewLifeChristian
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3/25/2016 5:05:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:00:29 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Human.
Christians are humans, as well.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:08:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)

Funny how you say that teaches honesty, yet the word "honest" does not appear there. All it says is God detests lying lips. That doesn't teach anything about honesty.

Clearly, you aren't being honest about this. (:

- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)

That is about judging others, it says nothing about tolerance.

- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)

That says nothing about respect.

- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 5:08:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.
That's not true. You don't have to sacrifice those principles to become a Christian.
They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
See my statement above.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:11:21 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:04:54 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)


Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?
The Bible defines morality, so, in a sense, it does have "a monopoly on them".
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:15:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:08:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)

Funny how you say that teaches honesty, yet the word "honest" does not appear there. All it says is God detests lying lips. That doesn't teach anything about honesty.

Clearly, you aren't being honest about this. (:
Will Proverbs 19:1 work?
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)

That is about judging others, it says nothing about tolerance.
Telling someone not to judge someone is, in a sense, telling someone to be tolerant of someone.
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)

That says nothing about respect.
1 Peter 2:17 says, "Show proper respect to everyone . . ."
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:17:49 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:11:21 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:54 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)


Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?

The Bible defines morality, so, in a sense, it does have "a monopoly on them".

So before the Bible, morality never existed? (its a yes or no)

And no other Codices or philosophies factored in those virtues in which to fashion a just life by pre-Bible? (again, yes or no)

I just want to be clear on your position, here. If such is not the case, let me know.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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3/25/2016 5:18:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:08:46 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.
That's not true. You don't have to sacrifice those principles to become a Christian.
They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
See my statement above.

Nobody has asked you to opine on the Bible and that is not your topic.

You have asked why an atheist would choose to reject whatever comforts, assurances and belonging are offered by religion.

In my case, I believe that religion charges an unacceptable toll in honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility, however much of these virtues it professes to teach.

By your dishonest, intolerant, arrogant, disrespectful, hypocritical shifting of a topic you yourself posed, you have helped make that point.
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3/25/2016 5:22:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:15:25 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:08:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)

Funny how you say that teaches honesty, yet the word "honest" does not appear there. All it says is God detests lying lips. That doesn't teach anything about honesty.

Clearly, you aren't being honest about this. (:
Will Proverbs 19:1 work?

There's no need to just pull verses out of your a$$, I know well enough none of those characteristics are "taught" in the Bible.

- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)

That is about judging others, it says nothing about tolerance.
Telling someone not to judge someone is, in a sense, telling someone to be tolerant of someone.

But, that's not what is says, it talks about judging, not tolerance.

- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)

That says nothing about respect.
1 Peter 2:17 says, "Show proper respect to everyone . . ."
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 5:23:00 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:17:49 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:11:21 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:54 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)


Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?

The Bible defines morality, so, in a sense, it does have "a monopoly on them".

So before the Bible, morality never existed? (its a yes or no)
The Bible defines morality that God has already established. God created morality, the Bible simply reiterates what God has already said.
And no other Codices or philosophies factored in those virtues in which to fashion a just life by pre-Bible? (again, yes or no)
God created morality when He created man. Like I said above, the Bible reiterates what God has already said.
I just want to be clear on your position, here. If such is not the case, let me know.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:23:04 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:04:59 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:57:00 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Exactly what I am now, myself.
But, yourself is an atheist.

Why don't you believe in God?

Because I have seen insufficient evidence to convince me of the existence of any gods.
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3/25/2016 5:32:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:18:26 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:08:46 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.
That's not true. You don't have to sacrifice those principles to become a Christian.
They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
See my statement above.

Nobody has asked you to opine on the Bible and that is not your topic.

You have asked why an atheist would choose to reject whatever comforts, assurances and belonging are offered by religion.

In my case, I believe that religion charges an unacceptable toll in honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility, however much of these virtues it professes to teach.

By your dishonest, intolerant, arrogant, disrespectful, hypocritical shifting of a topic you yourself posed, you have helped make that point.
Apparently you don't know how to debate appropriately. Nothing more needs to be said . . .
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:35:32 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)

You missed the four founding principles, guilt, shame, fear, and hatred...........
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3/25/2016 5:35:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)


Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?

The Bible defines morality, so, in a sense, it does have "a monopoly on them".

So before the Bible, morality never existed? (its a yes or no)
The Bible defines morality that God has already established. God created morality, the Bible simply reiterates what God has already said.

You apparently have deemed it impossible for man to have come up with this on his own. Any reason for that?

And no other Codices or philosophies factored in those virtues in which to fashion a just life by pre-Bible? (again, yes or no)

God created morality when He created man. Like I said above, the Bible reiterates what God has already said.

All I am seeing is that we have moved the goal posts in realization that other cultures pre-Biblical ages and regions have a codified morality.

This is what grates my nerves about theism. Once one position is found to be wanting, the criteria moves to something nebulous to perpetuate itself.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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3/25/2016 5:37:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:22:14 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:15:25 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:08:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)

Funny how you say that teaches honesty, yet the word "honest" does not appear there. All it says is God detests lying lips. That doesn't teach anything about honesty.

Clearly, you aren't being honest about this. (:
Will Proverbs 19:1 work?

There's no need to just pull verses out of your a$$, I know well enough none of those characteristics are "taught" in the Bible.
Have you ever read the Bible before?
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)

That is about judging others, it says nothing about tolerance.
Telling someone not to judge someone is, in a sense, telling someone to be tolerant of someone.

But, that's not what is says, it talks about judging, not tolerance.
It doesn't matter if it doesn't directly use the word "tolerance". The Bible could use the the phrase "treat others as you would treat yourself", which would be the same thing as telling someone to be nice to others.
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)

That says nothing about respect.
1 Peter 2:17 says, "Show proper respect to everyone . . ."
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:42:48 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:08:46 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.
That's not true. You don't have to sacrifice those principles to become a Christian.

You sacrificed those principles.

They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
See my statement above.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 5:43:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:23:04 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:59 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:57:00 PM, desmac wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:53:27 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:51:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:

Why are you an atheist?

Because that is what theists have labeled me.
If we stopped labeling you an "atheist", then what would you be?

Exactly what I am now, myself.
But, yourself is an atheist.

Why don't you believe in God?

Because I have seen insufficient evidence to convince me of the existence of any gods.
There's plenty of good evidence for the existence of God. If you'd like, William Lane Craig wrote a great article on the top five reasons why God exists. You can read it here: http://www.foxnews.com...
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:43:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:35:32 PM, missmedic wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)

You missed the four founding principles, guilt, shame, fear, and hatred...........
Where does the Bible teach these things?
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss
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3/25/2016 5:45:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:37:15 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:22:14 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:15:25 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:08:22 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)

Funny how you say that teaches honesty, yet the word "honest" does not appear there. All it says is God detests lying lips. That doesn't teach anything about honesty.

Clearly, you aren't being honest about this. (:
Will Proverbs 19:1 work?

There's no need to just pull verses out of your a$$, I know well enough none of those characteristics are "taught" in the Bible.
Have you ever read the Bible before?

Why would you bother asking that question when it is YOU who can't provide any verses that show those principles are taught?

- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)

That is about judging others, it says nothing about tolerance.
Telling someone not to judge someone is, in a sense, telling someone to be tolerant of someone.

But, that's not what is says, it talks about judging, not tolerance.
It doesn't matter if it doesn't directly use the word "tolerance".

Yeah, it does.

The Bible could use the the phrase "treat others as you would treat yourself", which would be the same thing as telling someone to be nice to others.

Being nice to others and tolerating them are two different things.

- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)

That says nothing about respect.
1 Peter 2:17 says, "Show proper respect to everyone . . ."
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/25/2016 6:02:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:32:54 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:18:26 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:08:46 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:04:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 5:02:38 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:52:31 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/25/2016 4:44:03 PM, NewLifeChristian wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

You misunderstand. These are principles you must sacrifice to claim knowledge from revelation.
That's not true. You don't have to sacrifice those principles to become a Christian.
They're my birthright and I don't want to give them up, so I'm an atheist.
See my statement above.

Nobody has asked you to opine on the Bible and that is not your topic.

You have asked why an atheist would choose to reject whatever comforts, assurances and belonging are offered by religion.

In my case, I believe that religion charges an unacceptable toll in honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility, however much of these virtues it professes to teach.

By your dishonest, intolerant, arrogant, disrespectful, hypocritical shifting of a topic you yourself posed, you have helped make that point.
Apparently you don't know how to debate appropriately.

If you'd like to invite discussion about the virtues taught by Christianity you can do that by -- for example -- posting a topic called 'The Virtues of Christianity', or by asking, 'Ruv, are you aware of the virtues Christianity seeks to teach, and is that something you'd be interested in discussing?'

However, your topic is 'Why are you an Atheist' -- so your subject is not people who reject Christianity, but people who reject religion as a whole.

My answer is to your question: I believe people who claim knowledge from revelation sacrifice a great deal of what I find best in humanity.

You are welcome to ask a question about that, like 'Is it always a sacrifice?' or 'Why is that best?', and then perhaps disagree with my answer, but telling me that you already know what is best for humanity because you learned it from your preferred revelatory canon, has illustrated my point without me even needing to type a word.

How so, you might ask? Well, here's your scorecard in detail:

Honesty: Fail. You don't want to talk about an atheist's perceptions but only your faith, yet you cannot admit that this is so.
Kindness: Fail. You are unable to acknowledge that the measure of the kindness of your faith isn't how your faith feels about its treatment of itself, but how people outside your faith feel about your faith's treatment of them.
Tolerance: Fail. You cannot talk about other perceptions of religion without asserting your perception as supreme.
Integrity: Fail. It is hypocritical to pretend you want one conversation, then steer it toward another.
Curiosity: Fail. You are uninterested in any people outside your faith, except to the extent that you seek ways of getting them into your faith.
Respect: Fail. You cannot make room for other viewpoints, or acknowledge the methods by which they were produced.
Humility: Fail. You cannot acknowledge that there may be insights unavailable in your canon.

NLC, in fairness to your faith, it's true that you are not the best human Christianity has to offer. I personally know kinder, wiser, more tolerant and open-minded Christians than you appear to be.

But you very much exemplify the ordinary, self-satisfied kind of Christian who flocks to patronise others, and have his sanctimonious dogma clutter interfaith discourse. And attempting to sell your faith simply on grounds of your own personal self-satisfaction reeks of the rank, ignorant sanctimony your faith has stewed in for millennia.

You could easily regain my respect by asking smarter questions, but for now at least, I don't think the quality of your engagement stretches so far.

So... please feel free to ignore my posts until you are confident that it does.
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3/25/2016 6:12:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/25/2016 5:35:51 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
This forum thread is for atheists:
Why are you an atheist?

Honesty, kindness, tolerance, integrity, curiosity, respect and humility.
Like I stated in my last forum thread, those are all principles taught in the Bible.

See:

- Proverbs 12:22 (Honesty)
- Ephesians 4:32 (Kindness)
- Matthew 7:1 (Tolerance)
- Proverbs 10:9 (Integrity)
- Proverbs 4:6 (Curiosity)
- Matthew 7:12 (Respect)
- Proverbs 11:2 (Humility)


Does that mean the Bible has a monopoly on them, or does that mean some folks in the Bible realized those would be excellent virtues to have as a person, so ensured to enshrine it in their religion?

The Bible defines morality, so, in a sense, it does have "a monopoly on them".

So before the Bible, morality never existed? (its a yes or no)
The Bible defines morality that God has already established. God created morality, the Bible simply reiterates what God has already said.

You apparently have deemed it impossible for man to have come up with this on his own. Any reason for that?
Because studies have shown that we (humans) are born with an innate sense of moral beliefs (see: http://www.lifenews.com...).
And no other Codices or philosophies factored in those virtues in which to fashion a just life by pre-Bible? (again, yes or no)

God created morality when He created man. Like I said above, the Bible reiterates what God has already said.

All I am seeing is that we have moved the goal posts in realization that other cultures pre-Biblical ages and regions have a codified morality.
Like I said, when the Bible was made, morality had already been established by God. The Bible just reiterates what God has already said.
This is what grates my nerves about theism. Once one position is found to be wanting, the criteria moves to something nebulous to perpetuate itself.
Pro-Life Quotes:

"I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born."
- Ronald Reagan

"The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government."
- Thomas Jefferson

"A person is a person no matter how small."
- Dr. Seuss