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3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
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3/27/2016 7:54:05 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM, dattaswami wrote:
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
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Why don't you start with a hello or a hi guys.
You just practically raped me . With not even a courtesy spit.
Thanks for that .
Next time ease into it. Not just bang bang bang.
That was anything but gratefulness. Ouch
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3/27/2016 7:56:10 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM, dattaswami wrote:
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

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Do you engage in discussions?

Is Kshatriya a title passed down by bloodline? or can a person be Kshatriya because of his duty?
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3/27/2016 9:48:34 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:54:05 AM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
Why don't you start with a hello or a hi guys.
Unless memory misleads, Datta has spammed with (apparently) Datta's own published text before -- though perhaps under a different account, since this profile is new.

(See, Bronto, MCB... this is how you look when you promote dogma to people who didn't ask for it.)
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3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM, dattaswami wrote:
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
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Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?
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3/27/2016 4:48:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Your point taken. Actually, in the compilation of messages at our end, every message has got 'O Learned and Devoted Servants of God,'.

Ofcourse, in the blog posts, to make it concise, such addressing is not included in the post. anyway, this point can be taken care.

surya (disciple of Swamiji)

At 3/27/2016 7:56:10 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
Do you engage in discussions?

Is Kshatriya a title passed down by bloodline? or can a person be Kshatriya because of his duty?
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3/27/2016 4:55:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
from surya (disciple of Swamiji)
definitely, I like discussions. You please go through the following regarding your question on Kshatriyas.

(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

Any human being who knows the true meaning of Veda is a Brahmana. Any human being who protects the innocent is a Kshatriya. Any human being who donates money for the sake of the work of the Lord is a Vysya. Any human being who does the service of the Lord without aspiring any thing in return is Sudra.

Sudra means the person who suffers (Sochati Iti Sudrah). The person, who does the service without aspiring any fruit in return, really suffers and therefore is called as Sudra.

Brahmana means the person who knows the true meaning of Vedas. Sudra means a person who practices the true meaning of Vedas and undergoes suffering during sacrifice. Therefore a Sudra is higher than a Brahmana. Every servant of the Lord is a Sudra who practices the spiritual knowledge. Brahmana means only the scholar of the spiritual knowledge without practice. Manu Dharma Sastra says that Brahmana knows the knowledge of Veda and Sudra does the service with self-suffering. Unless knowledge is converted into practice, one cannot get salvation. This is the reason for the sages who were Brahmanas to take the birth as Gopikas (Sudras) to get the salvation.

The sages discussed Vedas but the Gopikas practically sacrificed the fruit of their hard work (butter) to the Lord and served the Lord. They did not give the butter even to their own children and such sacrifice was really suffering in the heart. Therefore Sudra should not be treated as a lower range person. Similarly the women should not be treated as lower than the men.

Women and Sudras are worshipping the Lord through devotional songs. Please don"t forget that I am a male and Brahmana. Only the blind egoism of certain rigid male Brahmins is being criticized by me and this criticism is not at all meant for good male Brahmins who have acquired perfect obedience (Vinaya) through their Brahma Jnana and who are like the Rishis. Sages like Kasyapa, Atri, Bharadwaja were also Brahmins and demons like Ravana, Hiranyakashipu were also Brahmins!! The inequality should only be based on the merits and defects and not on birth or sex or age or nationality or religion.

The distinction should be done only on the qualities. Bhurisravasa, a pot maker was made as chief priest in a sacrifice by the sages (Refer Bhagavatam). Rama and Krishna were Non-Brahmins. But Brahmins wash their feet and the washings are taken as the sacred Thirthams. Ravana was a Brahmin but not respected by Brahmins. Sabari and Kannappa were untouchables whose photos are kept in the prayer rooms by Brahmins. The untouchibility is not by birth but by qualities. All the bad people in all the castes were expelled from the village as untouchables just like the worst students were expelled from school or college. It is only to change their minds. Thus in the view of Lord Datta, the caste system is based only on the qualities and the deeds of the human beings and is not based on birth at all.

At 3/27/2016 7:56:10 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
Do you engage in discussions?

Is Kshatriya a title passed down by bloodline? or can a person be Kshatriya because of his duty?
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3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM
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your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.

At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?
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3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM
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At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?

At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.
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3/27/2016 8:34:24 PM
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Namaste DattaSwami, can I add you with your permission to my thread listing Hindus who have participated on DDO.
You can read the OP introduction before agreeing.

The link is here.
http://www.debate.org...
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3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.
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3/27/2016 8:48:59 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.

That was how my patience was rewarded and I jumped to stage 4. . Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity. Hence the most spiritual member on DDO.
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3/27/2016 9:05:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 8:48:59 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.

That was how my patience was rewarded and I jumped to stage 4. . Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity. Hence the most spiritual member on DDO.

Let's look at that list then:

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.

Clearly, your personal attacks on me, Ruv, MCB, Des, etc. show that you have no desire to do good whatsoever, nor have you actually done any good.

3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.

Your massive ego of believing your are the most spiritual person here, coupled with your desires to be Islamic, Christian and Mathematics Champion here would show you haven't attained that either, Hari.

The only thing your jumping to are irrational, false conclusions.
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a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/27/2016 9:25:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 9:05:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:48:59 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.

That was how my patience was rewarded and I jumped to stage 4. . Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity. Hence the most spiritual member on DDO.

Let's look at that list then:

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.

Clearly, your personal attacks on me, Ruv, MCB, Des, etc. show that you have no desire to do good whatsoever, nor have you actually done any good.

3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.

Your massive ego of believing your are the most spiritual person here, coupled with your desires to be Islamic, Christian and Mathematics Champion here would show you haven't attained that either, Hari.

The only thing your jumping to are irrational, false conclusions.

Shouldn't you wait for the person the post was addressed to, to respond before you go dizzy with your poorly digested Vedic discourses. There are shortcuts that you may not be aware of and credits for good Karma and scholarship. My unyielding patience also brightens my Aura.
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3/28/2016 5:32:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM, dattaswami wrote:
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

Another interesting post, thank you :)
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3/28/2016 3:11:28 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
i think the first four form part of dharma.

The concept of Dharma

Word Dharma means characteristic property which stands for identification of an item. Dharma of fire is burning by which it is identified as fire. It is expected natural behavior of an item in creation. If fire is cool, such coolness is Adharma which means that it is not the expected property of specific entity. Human being in this creation is a specified entity & is expected to show certain characteristic properties (Dharmas) by which he is identified as human being. If human being shows characteristic properties of other specified items, it loses its identification.

When God created various items in this world, He has assigned certain characteristic properties to be associated with corresponding items. So, possession of Dharma is will of God. Balance of creation is maintained when specified items exhibit their specified properties assigned by God. All inert items like fire, water etc. are strictly following will of God. God created this universe for entertainment.

Entertainment is disturbed if natural balance is upset. God has given freedom to human beings, which is inherent desire of souls. God has full freedom to change any characteristic property of any specified item. When He wished, fire could not burn, air could not move & water could not quench even a dry grass blade. Since He is omnipotent, He has unlimited freedom. But souls have very little potentiality. Their freedom is naturally conditional & limited.

Living being has little freedom within its specified boundary of its potentiality. If freedom is not given, it is not a living being. Among living beings, human being has full potentiality due to analytical faculty (Buddhi) & thus relatively more freedom is granted to it. Human being should understand limits of its capability & should freely behave within that specified boundary. Such behavior is Dharma which is expected by God. If limits are violated & behavior of some other category like animals is shown, soul is pushed into life cycle of animals.

At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.
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3/28/2016 3:22:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
It (Gita) also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani).

dattaswami,

where is it written in Gita?
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3/28/2016 3:23:10 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 9:25:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 9:05:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:48:59 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.

That was how my patience was rewarded and I jumped to stage 4. . Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity. Hence the most spiritual member on DDO.

Let's look at that list then:

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.

Clearly, your personal attacks on me, Ruv, MCB, Des, etc. show that you have no desire to do good whatsoever, nor have you actually done any good.

3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.

Your massive ego of believing your are the most spiritual person here, coupled with your desires to be Islamic, Christian and Mathematics Champion here would show you haven't attained that either, Hari.

The only thing your jumping to are irrational, false conclusions.

Shouldn't you wait for the person the post was addressed to, to respond before you go dizzy with your poorly digested Vedic discourses. There are shortcuts that you may not be aware of and credits for good Karma and scholarship. My unyielding patience also brightens my Aura.

Don't shine up that aura too often, Hari, you might go blind.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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3/28/2016 4:07:35 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/28/2016 3:23:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 9:25:14 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 9:05:25 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:48:59 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:36:11 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 3/27/2016 8:19:00 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/27/2016 1:25:15 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Namaste DattaSwami, please explain to our members the different stages of enlightenment so they can gauge how far they are from achieving it.
Which stage are you approaching so we may gauge how close you are to attaining it?


At 3/27/2016 5:09:00 PM, dattaswami wrote:
your question is very important as far is spiritual effort is concerned. You please go through the following. If not clear, write again.

Different stages in the worship ...

There are different stages in the worship of Lord. 1) Worship of formless or Nirakar God; 2) idols of past human incarnations like Krishna or energetic incarnations (belong to upper world) like Shiva & 3) worship of contemporary human incarnation.

These are different stages & finally one has to worship contemporary human incarnation of Lord, which is only the highest. Nobody should limit in either 1st & 2nd stages through out their life time. Everybody has to move to the final i.e., 3rd stage. Before reaching the final stage, a brief time might pass through the 1st and 2nd stage and in such there is no problem. But if one continues through out lifetime in 1st or 2nd stage alone, then Gita says the following.

Gita says that it is very difficult to worship formless God or Nirakar God and leads to misery also (Avyaktahigatir dukham"). It also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani). Gita says that the Lord comes down in human form (Maanusheem tanu masritam") and one must worship such human incarnation of Lord.

The worship of such contemporary human incarnation gives the highest fruit as in the case of Hanuman (attained the post of future creator), who worshipped Lord Rama and Gopikas (attained Goloka), who worshipped Lord Krishna. Likewise, the disciples of Jesus, Mohammed Prophet, Buddha, Shankara, Mahavir, Rama Krishna Paramahamsa and Shirdi Sai worshipped the respective human incarnation only as Lord. Worship means not mere words and feelings, but by participating in His mission through service, which consists of donating money & physical service.


dhanyavaad, DattaSwami.
We have to try to keep it simple for our members, Swamiji. Many are Christians who pray to a Jewish corpse nailed to a wooden cross. Others are atheists whose ancestors swung from the same tree the cross was made of. Both groups lack the sophistication that Hindus have developed over the centuries pouring over the Vedas and meditation for transcendental consciousness and the ultimate reality...Brahma.

Here are the seven stages of enlightenment. Can you expand on it so our members might discover their potentials and benefit from your experience.

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.
3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.
4. Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity.
5. asamsakti " total detachment from particularity, externality, causality, etc.
6. padarthabhavana, or non-material apprehension.
7. turiya, there is none to behold this radiance. The beholder becomes the radiance itself.

Wow Hari, you're still light years away from achieving No. 1.

That was how my patience was rewarded and I jumped to stage 4. . Sattvapatti, means attainment of high purity. Hence the most spiritual member on DDO.

Let's look at that list then:

1. subheccha means desire to do good
2. vicharana. Means actually doing good.

Clearly, your personal attacks on me, Ruv, MCB, Des, etc. show that you have no desire to do good whatsoever, nor have you actually done any good.

3. tanumanasi, means thinning out egos, desires.

Your massive ego of believing your are the most spiritual person here, coupled with your desires to be Islamic, Christian and Mathematics Champion here would show you haven't attained that either, Hari.

The only thing your jumping to are irrational, false conclusions.

Shouldn't you wait for the person the post was addressed to, to respond before you go dizzy with your poorly digested Vedic discourses. There are shortcuts that you may not be aware of and credits for good Karma and scholarship. My unyielding patience also brightens my Aura.

Don't shine up that aura too often, Hari, you might go blind.

Your blindness was caused by your own hands. If only you followed my advice and took up meditation. It would have forced you to keep your hands to your side and that would have prevented you from masturbating which would have prevented you from going blind. Any wonder why you hide behind those dark glasses.
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3/28/2016 9:38:15 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/27/2016 7:30:50 AM, dattaswami wrote:
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

God is the Lord for both Pravritti and Nivritti. You have to please the Lord even in Pravritti. If the Lord is not pleased in Pravritti you cannot please Him in Nivritti. The fundamental requirement to please the Lord in Pravritti is to have satisfaction at every step. Contentment with whatever you have will always please the Lord. You must be happy with whatever is already given to you by the Lord and you must always thank Him for the past. You should not put your eye on the present or the future and put an application to the Lord [you should not aspire for more]. Even if you have travelled from one place to another, you must thank the Lord for having protected you during the journey. You have reached the destiny only by the grace of the Lord. It is not certain that one will reach the destination safely by bus, train or aeroplane. If any accident takes place, you are gone forever.

Everybody is under the influence of strong ignorance and thinks that he has reached the destination by his effort. Some people think that reaching the destination does not need any special effort and that it is just a routine thing. Therefore, either you feel egoistic for your effort or you neglect the journey as a routine matter, which does not require any effort. Both these are illusions. You have reached the destination only by the grace of the Lord. Therefore, in every stage, you must remember the Lord and express gratefulness to Him. By such behaviour the Lord becomes immensely pleased and is encouraged to do everything for you.

Jesus always used to thank the Lord even in every little work. He always thanked the Lord for the past and was never worried about the present or the future. He thanked the Lord for the four breads already given by Him. He was never worried about the thousands of visitors who came to see Him and that they were hungry. He never planned for the future consequence of such a situation. The Lord was extensively pleased and multiplied the four breads into thousands of breads. Therefore, contentment with what you already have and thanking the Lord for whatever is already given will please the Lord. You must thank the Lord even for every breath that you take, because it is only by the will and grace of the Lord that your lungs are working and the air is going in and coming out of the lungs. The heart beats and every beat is only by the graceful sanction of the Lord.

posted by: surya (disciple of swamiji)
www.universal-spirituality.org

Gratefulness can be appreciated regardless of religion
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