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brontoraptor
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3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...
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3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.
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3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
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3/28/2016 8:31:55 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

Name the God of the atheists.
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3/28/2016 8:34:31 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology.

The debates are about atheism which is "Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods.". http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Theology is:
"1. The study of the nature of God and religious truth; rational inquiry into religious questions.
2. A system or school of opinions concerning God and religious questions: Protestant theology; Jewish theology.
3. A course of specialized religious study usually at a college or seminary."
http://www.thefreedictionary.com...

Clearly, you are mistaken calling these debates "theological".

FYI, I have no intention of responding to the Gish Gallop and irrelevance you're so very fond of. So, your response should be reasonable unless you're into wasting your time.
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3/28/2016 8:40:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

Those who call atheism a religion always neglect to mention the most defining characteristic of religion: belief in some supernatural controlling power. Since it lacks such a belief, atheism is not a religion.
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3/28/2016 8:40:12 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:31:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

Name the God of the atheists.

There are religions without Gods.

I think there is an equivocation error between the culture of modern atheist and atheism. 2ndly religions have common customs and tenets. While there are common arguments from Atheist I would be incredulous to catagorize that as custom or tenet,
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3/28/2016 8:41:29 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

I have observed your... thoughts on this forum. What exactly do you think this post is to mean to me? What I take away, and what you think I should are not likely the same. You come off as a very insure guy. Posting about forfeited rounds like you have found proof of some deeper inability to stand up to the harsh rigors of your debate. Seriously man. Childish
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3/28/2016 8:59:37 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:40:12 PM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:31:55 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

Name the God of the atheists.

There are religions without Gods.

I think there is an equivocation error between the culture of modern atheist and atheism. 2ndly religions have common customs and tenets. While there are common arguments from Atheist I would be incredulous to catagorize that as custom or tenet,

To say atheism is a religion and fully theological requires there to be a god. Buddhism is an atheistic religion. But you wouldn't include Buddhism in theological studies. There is no God to study in Buddhism or divine character.
"Theology is the critical study of concepts of God and of the nature of religious ideas. It is taught as an academic discipline, typically in universities, seminaries and schools of divinity."
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3/28/2016 9:10:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

You truly do not understand what atheism is. A lack of belief in something doesn't make it similar to a religion in any way. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
I expect you don't believe Unicorns live on the planet Jupiter. By your logic, this would be a belief system just like religion, and you should be classified as an Ajupiterunicornist.
It is completely irrational.
The vast majority of atheists are not set in our ways and want to learn about the world around us. We just don't take the writings of any of the many religious texts as unquestioned truth.
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3/28/2016 9:47:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 9:10:35 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:00:09 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 3/28/2016 6:53:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists giving up in theological debates:

(1)

http://www.debate.org...

(2)

http://www.debate.org...

Neither of those are theological debates, B.

Sure it is. Atheist theology vs. Theist theology. You guys do have a theology. You just refuse to own it for a psychological yearning for safety behind a shield of claiming no position.

1)Atheism is a position.

2)Atheism has evangelists.

3)Atheism has churches.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.

You truly do not understand what atheism is. A lack of belief in something doesn't make it similar to a religion in any way. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
I expect you don't believe Unicorns live on the planet Jupiter. By your logic, this would be a belief system just like religion, and you should be classified as an Ajupiterunicornist.
It is completely irrational.
The vast majority of atheists are not set in our ways and want to learn about the world around us. We just don't take the writings of any of the many religious texts as unquestioned truth.

Sure you do: "The God Delusion", the selfish Gene", etc.
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3/28/2016 9:49:58 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
Atheism is a religion

http://www.debate.org...
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http://youtu.be...
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3/28/2016 11:49:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 9:47:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/28/2016 9:10:35 PM, Canuck wrote:
You truly do not understand what atheism is. A lack of belief in something doesn't make it similar to a religion in any way. In fact, it's the complete opposite.
I expect you don't believe Unicorns live on the planet Jupiter. By your logic, this would be a belief system just like religion, and you should be classified as an Ajupiterunicornist.
It is completely irrational.
The vast majority of atheists are not set in our ways and want to learn about the world around us. We just don't take the writings of any of the many religious texts as unquestioned truth.

Sure you do: "The God Delusion", the selfish Gene", etc.

I don't think I have ever came across someone so inept at understanding what atheism is. And on this site... that's saying something.
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3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Atheism is a position.
Yes.

2)Atheism has evangelists.
Yes, though not all atheists agree with their arguments, and most US atheists talk about their irreligion seldom or never.

3)Atheism has churches.
Only barely, and they form a centre of cultural life for almost no atheists.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?
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3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Atheism is a position.
Yes.

2)Atheism has evangelists.
Yes, though not all atheists agree with their arguments, and most US atheists talk about their irreligion seldom or never.

3)Atheism has churches.
Only barely, and they form a centre of cultural life for almost no atheists.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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3/29/2016 12:30:07 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Atheism is a position.
Yes.

2)Atheism has evangelists.
Yes, though not all atheists agree with their arguments, and most US atheists talk about their irreligion seldom or never.

3)Atheism has churches.
Only barely, and they form a centre of cultural life for almost no atheists.

4)Thus, Atheism is theological in construct and manner.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

And evangelists, Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris
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3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?
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3/29/2016 12:35:38 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

There are Christians that don't read the Bible. I'm sure some are blind, illiterate, etc. But still Christians. Thus, yes you still have a holy book and much like Islam you have multiple holy books. Ehich Atheist holy book is your favorite? The Selfish Gene"? "Killing Christ"?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/29/2016 12:42:08 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:35:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

There are Christians that don't read the Bible. I'm sure some are blind, illiterate, etc. But still Christians. Thus, yes you still have a holy book and much like Islam you have multiple holy books. Which Atheist holy book is your favorite? The Selfish Gene"? "Killing Christ"?

I don't own, and don't believe I've ever read any publication by "The Four Horsemen". Obviously I've seen precis and excerpts, but have no interest in reading them.

Why not? Well, I was an atheist long before those publications, and I was interested in religion culturally, epistemologically and morally before I'd even heard of them.

I don't believe there's anything in New Atheist publications that doesn't appear elsewhere -- in humanism, Deism, or in the critique of religion and the religious by the religious themselves... So whatever I've heard on from those publications I either already knew, disagree with, or think is too contentious to be relied upon.

So whatever appeal those publications may have as a topic for discussion, I haven't read them, don't find them interesting, don't generally discuss them, and don't use them for reference.
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3/29/2016 12:45:00 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

2.4 billion of us Ruv. You're ideology is in the minority for a reason. ;-)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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3/29/2016 12:46:57 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:45:00 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

2.4 billion of us Ruv. Your ideology is in the minority for a reason. ;-)

Something to do with some militant zealots cozying up to the desperate leaders of a failing empire, I believe. :D
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3/29/2016 12:47:18 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:35:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

There are Christians that don't read the Bible. I'm sure some are blind, illiterate, etc. But still Christians. Thus, yes you still have a holy book and much like Islam you have multiple holy books. Ehich Atheist holy book is your favorite? The Selfish Gene"? "Killing Christ"?

Are you insane? These books are not in any way"holy". They represent ideas that many secular and scientific minded people believe. Unlike religion, there is nothing that mandates anyone to agree with everything these people say. If anyone publishes something that can better explain the world or universe around us, we are absolutely willing to consider the evidence. This is completely opposite of religions and their holy books (written by men a long time ago).
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3/29/2016 12:48:39 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/29/2016 12:46:57 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:45:00 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

2.4 billion of us Ruv. Your ideology is in the minority for a reason. ;-)

Something to do with some militant zealots cozying up to the desperate leaders of a failing empire, I believe. :D

Matthew 7:6 Ruv. Matthew 7:6.
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3/29/2016 12:49:45 AM
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At 3/29/2016 12:47:18 AM, Canuck wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:35:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

There are Christians that don't read the Bible. I'm sure some are blind, illiterate, etc. But still Christians. Thus, yes you still have a holy book and much like Islam you have multiple holy books. Ehich Atheist holy book is your favorite? The Selfish Gene"? "Killing Christ"?

Are you insane? These books are not in any way"holy". They represent ideas that many secular and scientific minded people believe. Unlike religion, there is nothing that mandates anyone to agree with everything these people say. If anyone publishes something that can better explain the world or universe around us, we are absolutely willing to consider the evidence. This is completely opposite of religions and their holy books (written by men a long time ago).

Not holy? You said it, not me.
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3/29/2016 12:52:52 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/29/2016 12:48:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:46:57 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:45:00 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

2.4 billion of us Ruv. Your ideology is in the minority for a reason. ;-)

Something to do with some militant zealots cozying up to the desperate leaders of a failing empire, I believe. :D

Matthew 7:6 Ruv. Matthew 7:6.

One cannot claim unauthenticated sources as authority, Bronny. :)
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3/29/2016 1:02:45 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 3/29/2016 12:52:52 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:48:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:46:57 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:45:00 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:32:30 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:28:57 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:24:33 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 3/28/2016 8:18:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
A rose by any other name is still a rose. Atheism is a religion and fully theological.
Because a promoted position with centres of cultural activity make a theology?

So McDonald's is a theology?

Does that equally make an evangelical megachurch the Supersize Me Fast Food outlet of metaphysical thought?

Yes. You even have a Bible: "The God Delusion".

So if I've never read it -- or any book by Dawkins -- am I an atheoheathen?

Or if I occasionally disagree with Dawkins' position in debates, does that make me an atheoapostate?

And if you for example, were a bloviating Evangelical fed on Fast Food apologetics, does that make you spiritually obese?

2.4 billion of us Ruv. Your ideology is in the minority for a reason. ;-)

Something to do with some militant zealots cozying up to the desperate leaders of a failing empire, I believe. :D

Matthew 7:6 Ruv. Matthew 7:6.

One cannot claim unauthenticated sources as authority, Bronny. :)

I can pull a rabbit out of your shorts Ruv. Wanna see? It's a small rabbit. Very, very small.
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3/29/2016 9:06:50 PM
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At 3/29/2016 8:54:28 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
Atheists are believers in nothing. What do they have to offer anyone?

Respite from jihad, holy crusades, inquisitions, burning of witches, slavery, homophobia, etc., etc. And a view of the world not based on philosophy of men from thousands of years ago. To name a few things.
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3/29/2016 9:08:01 PM
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At 3/29/2016 9:06:50 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 3/29/2016 8:54:28 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
Atheists are believers in nothing. What do they have to offer anyone?

Respite from jihad, holy crusades, inquisitions, burning of witches, slavery, homophobia, etc., etc. And a view of the world not based on philosophy of men from thousands of years ago. To name a few things.

About 200M people murdered by atheists in the 20th century alone make this a lie. Facts are funny things.
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3/29/2016 9:20:09 PM
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At 3/29/2016 9:08:01 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 3/29/2016 9:06:50 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 3/29/2016 8:54:28 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
Atheists are believers in nothing. What do they have to offer anyone?

Respite from jihad, holy crusades, inquisitions, burning of witches, slavery, homophobia, etc., etc. And a view of the world not based on philosophy of men from thousands of years ago. To name a few things.

About 200M people murdered by atheists in the 20th century alone make this a lie. Facts are funny things.

Does that include Roman Catholic,Hitler and failed Russian Orthodox priest Stalin?