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11/17/2010 8:58:26 AM
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I am very curious. without writing a long essay. Please define Christianity, i would particularly like to hear from both DACT, and the good teacher.
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11/17/2010 11:40:55 AM
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At 11/17/2010 8:58:26 AM, Kahvan wrote:
I am very curious. without writing a long essay. Please define Christianity, i would particularly like to hear from both DACT, and the good teacher.

Thank you for the question

Christianity
A monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

Religions who claim to be Christian
Take a glass containing a measure of water then pour in 100% pure Christianity, now pour the contents into a bath of water and pull the plug, and it runs into the sea, now the sea contains 100% Christianity, but try finding it,

No Religion or Cult teaches "100% pure Christianity", they have to dilute it by adding their own ingredients to justify their very existence, to their investigators, and congregations.

Christ + = 0
The salvation that God has provided through Jesus Christ is by grace. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8,9)." Acts 15:11 says, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved." Eternal life is not received by, attained by, or kept by a person's works, conduct or behavior. We are saved by grace through faith.

Grace by definition excludes all works. "And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work (Romans 11:6)." One work added to grace would render it no more grace. If you were to add one drop of water to pure Christianity, it would render it no more pure.
The gospel of grace becomes poisoned when just one human work is added to the plan of salvation.

This is a Biblical formula made clear throughout the Scripture. For example: Christ plus church (religious membership) equals no salvation; Christ plus physical baptism equals no salvation; Christ plus the Christian life equals no salvation; and so on. The tragedy is that those who are teaching this error and those receiving this error think that they are more secure in their salvation as a result of their works. Satan has blinded their minds (II Corinthians 4:4).

A large crowd of those who are in the 'Christ plus' category will stand before Jesus at the judgment day. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works (Matthew 7:22)?" Notice these are 'Christ plus' persons. They brag about (1) preaching, (2) healing, and (3) many wonderful works done in Jesus' name. This is a perfect example from Scripture of Christ plus works. What were the results? How does Christ respond? Does He let them enter heaven? Let's see!

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Matthew 7:23)." Jesus said to this 'Christ Plus' crowd, "I never knew you." Not, "I once knew and I lost you," but "I never knew you." Also Jesus called their good works iniquity. Why? It is because they were trusting in those things to save themselves from hell in addition to faith in Christ.

How sad! This crowd thought that they knew Christ, but Jesus said He never knew them, and He told them to depart from Him.

That is why this issue is so important. Christ plus equals no salvation! Jesus only saves! What can wash away my sin? Nothing, but the blood of Jesus Christ.
There are many reasons why we should reject a 'Christ plus' message:

1) God gives stern warnings about adding to His Word.
Proverbs 30:6 says, "Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Revelation 22:17-19 also gives a stern warning to the one who would add or subtract from the plan of salvation.

2) To pervert the gospel message is to bring a curse upon the preacher of it.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8)."

3) Altering the message will make it a message that will not save--the cross of Christ will be made of no effect.
I Corinthians 1:17 says that we are to "...preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."

4) To tamper with God's message of salvation is to call God a liar.
I John 5:10,11 says, "...He that believeth not God hath made him a liar: because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son."

5) A 'Christ plus' message makes man's righteousness a part of salvation.
Man's righteousness is filthy rags according to Isaiah 64:6 and would pollute the salvation of God. Romans 10:3 says, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted unto the righteousness of God."

6) The 'Christ plus' message causes the saved to become confused.
It robs them of their assurance and brings them into bondage thinking they must do something to stay saved. This is what happened at the churches of Galatia. "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (Galatians 2:4)."

7) The 'Christ plus' message causes the lost to be blinded.
Satan doesn't want the lost to hear the true gospel message. The perverted message hides the true message. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not...(II Corinthians 4:3,4)."

8) The 'Christ plus' message keeps the Christian from a clear witness.
"Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech (II Corinthians 3:12)."

9) The 'Christ plus' message makes the world think that salvation is by works.
"But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money (Acts 8:20)."

10) The 'Christ plus' message brings persecution to those who preach grace.
Paul said that if he preached 'Christ plus' he would not be persecuted. Galatians 5:11 says, "And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision (works), why do I yet suffer persecution: then is the offence of the cross ceased."

Be alert! Be on guard for this perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The beauty of the true message is its simplicity!

2 Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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11/17/2010 2:07:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

"They" ?
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11/17/2010 2:08:05 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:07:20 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

"They" ?

Yes, "They" as in Christians.
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11/17/2010 2:11:07 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:08:05 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:07:20 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

"They" ?

Yes, "They" as in Christians.

What's a "Christian" ?
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11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?
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11/17/2010 2:14:17 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:11:07 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:08:05 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:07:20 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

"They" ?

Yes, "They" as in Christians.

What's a "Christian" ?

Certainly not somebody who follows the OT as you said. That's Jews. Sure, if you said somebody who follows the NT that would be more correct. Christianity is just a cult to me anyway.
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11/17/2010 2:14:50 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?

Pretty much the only things Christians follow from there is the Ten Commandments.
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11/17/2010 2:15:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:14:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:11:07 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:08:05 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:07:20 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

"They" ?

Yes, "They" as in Christians.

What's a "Christian" ?

Certainly not somebody who follows the OT as you said. That's Jews. Sure, if you said somebody who follows the NT that would be more correct. Christianity is just a cult to me anyway.

Define cult.
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11/17/2010 2:16:41 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?

Like everything?

It's what distinguishes Christianity from Judaism.

Jesus brought us "the Gospel"--good news that we no longer have to worry about the vengeful God of the Old Testament.
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11/17/2010 2:17:47 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:16:41 PM, Ren wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?

Like everything?

It's what distinguishes Christianity from Judaism.

Jesus brought us "the Gospel"--good news that we no longer have to worry about the vengeful God of the Old Testament.

Except for the Ten Commandments apparently.
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11/17/2010 2:18:15 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?
Mosaic Law, creation description, and everything which does not fit secularism.
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11/17/2010 2:18:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:14:50 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?

Pretty much the only things Christians follow from there is the Ten Commandments.

Nobody has followed the "commandments" - Rom 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God";
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11/17/2010 2:19:23 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:17:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Except for the Ten Commandments apparently.
Not fully. Ten Commandments are part of Mosaic Law; they are not to be disconnected. Do not adulterate is forbidden in the sense that adulterers must be put to death. Few Christians acknowledge that.
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11/17/2010 2:20:57 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:15:27 PM, innomen wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:14:17 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:

Certainly not somebody who follows the OT as you said. That's Jews. Sure, if you said somebody who follows the NT that would be more correct. Christianity is just a cult to me anyway.

Define cult.

cult   
[kuhlt]
–noun

-an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
http://dictionary.reference.com...=

Definition 2 seems to fit in this situation.
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11/17/2010 2:21:30 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:18:15 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:14:05 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:02:34 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
lol @ Christianity being based on the Old Testament. They reject almost everything in the OT.

Like what?
Mosaic Law, creation description, and everything which does not fit secularism.

How can you substantiate that?
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11/17/2010 2:22:27 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:19:23 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:17:47 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:
Except for the Ten Commandments apparently.
Not fully. Ten Commandments are part of Mosaic Law; they are not to be disconnected. Do not adulterate is forbidden in the sense that adulterers must be put to death. Few Christians acknowledge that.

Rom 6:14 - "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace".
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11/17/2010 2:24:36 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:22:27 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
Rom 6:14 - "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace".
God's grace is His law. Pray to God = Law.
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11/17/2010 2:26:58 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:23:51 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:21:30 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
How can you substantiate that?
Your disbelief in it?

Disbelief in what?
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11/17/2010 2:28:13 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:26:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:23:51 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:21:30 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
How can you substantiate that?
Your disbelief in it?

Disbelief in what?

I think he means disbelief in most of the OT.
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11/17/2010 2:29:31 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:15:27 PM, innomen wrote:
Define cult.

1.
a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.
the object of such devotion.
4.
a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5.
Sociology . a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6.
a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7.
the members of such a religion or sect.

http://dictionary.reference.com...=
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11/17/2010 2:31:32 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:26:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:23:51 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:21:30 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
How can you substantiate that?
Your disbelief in it?

Disbelief in what?
Mosaic Law, creation order, etc.
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11/17/2010 2:32:22 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/17/2010 2:16:41 PM, Ren wrote:
Jesus brought us "the Gospel"--good news that we no longer have to worry about the vengeful God of the Old Testament.

God: You suck! I'm going to smite you b!tches to a firey pit of infinite agony after I plague you with lots of perils just to make sure you suffer here on earth too...

Jesus: Chill. He was obviously jk...
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11/17/2010 2:33:56 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:24:36 PM, Mirza wrote:
At 11/17/2010 2:22:27 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
Rom 6:14 - "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace".
God's grace is His law. Pray to God = Law.

"GIFT" - "GRACE is a GIFT", not a "LAW", it is also a "dispensation" - The Greek word translated "dispensations" is "oikonomia", meaning "to manage a household". "Oikonomia" comes from a combination of two Greek words, "oikos", meaning "household", and "menos" meaning "to manage". God has "managed" His "household", or His people and their relationship to Him in distinctly different ways, depending on which "dispensation" you live in. we live in the "Church age" under the dispensation of "GRACE" - the law has been "fulfilled" taken out of the way and nailed to the cross -
Col 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"; - the law was a "CURSE".
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11/17/2010 2:35:38 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:33:56 PM, the-good-teacher wrote:
"GIFT" - "GRACE is a GIFT", not a "LAW", it is also a "dispensation" - The Greek word translated "dispensations" is "oikonomia", meaning "to manage a household". "Oikonomia" comes from a combination of two Greek words, "oikos", meaning "household", and "menos" meaning "to manage". God has "managed" His "household", or His people and their relationship to Him in distinctly different ways, depending on which "dispensation" you live in. we live in the "Church age" under the dispensation of "GRACE" - the law has been "fulfilled" taken out of the way and nailed to the cross -
Col 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross"; - the law was a "CURSE".
Cheery picking. Jesus never abolished the law. The Law is a guidance from God, according to the Bible. Stone the adulterer is a law just like "pray to God" is a Law.
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11/17/2010 2:39:19 PM
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At 11/17/2010 2:35:38 PM, Mirza wrote:

Cheery picking. Jesus never abolished the law. The Law is a guidance from God, according to the Bible. Stone the adulterer is a law just like "pray to God" is a Law.

Mirza, even Jews don't stone adulterers so would you believe they're cherry-picking too? Jews abolished the death penalty like 2000 years ago or something.
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11/17/2010 2:40:34 PM
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At 11/17/2010 11:40:55 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
Thank you for the question

Christianity
A monotheistic system of beliefs and practices based on the Old Testament and the teachings of Jesus as embodied in the New Testament and emphasizing the role of Jesus as savior.

Religions who claim to be Christian
Take a glass containing a measure of water then pour in 100% pure Christianity, now pour the contents into a bath of water and pull the plug, and it runs into the sea, now the sea contains 100% Christianity, but try finding it,

No Religion or Cult teaches "100% pure Christianity", they have to dilute it by adding their own ingredients to justify their very existence, to their investigators, and congregations.

Christ + = 0
The salvation that God has provided through Jesus Christ is by grace. "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8,9)." Acts 15:11 says, "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved." Eternal life is not received by, attained by, or kept by a person's works, conduct or behavior. We are saved by grace through faith.

Grace by definition excludes all works. "And if by grace, then it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work (Romans 11:6)." One work added to grace would render it no more grace. If you were to add one drop of water to pure Christianity, it would render it no more pure.
The gospel of grace becomes poisoned when just one human work is added to the plan of salvation.

This is a Biblical formula made clear throughout the Scripture. For example: Christ plus church (religious membership) equals no salvation; Christ plus physical baptism equals no salvation; Christ plus the Christian life equals no salvation; and so on. The tragedy is that those who are teaching this error and those receiving this error think that they are more secure in their salvation as a result of their works. Satan has blinded their minds (II Corinthians 4:4).

A large crowd of those who are in the 'Christ plus' category will stand before Jesus at the judgment day. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works (Matthew 7:22)?" Notice these are 'Christ plus' persons. They brag about (1) preaching, (2) healing, and (3) many wonderful works done in Jesus' name. This is a perfect example from Scripture of Christ plus works. What were the results? How does Christ respond? Does He let them enter heaven? Let's see!

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Matthew 7:23)." Jesus said to this 'Christ Plus' crowd, "I never knew you." Not, "I once knew and I lost you," but "I never knew you." Also Jesus called their good works iniquity. Why? It is because they were trusting in those things to save themselves from hell in addition to faith in Christ.

How sad! This crowd thought that they knew Christ, but Jesus said He never knew them, and He told them to depart from Him.

That is why this issue is so important. Christ plus equals no salvation! Jesus only saves! What can wash away my sin? Nothing, but the blood of Jesus Christ.
There are many reasons why we should reject a 'Christ plus' message:

1) God gives stern warnings about adding to His Word.
Proverbs 30:6 says, "Add thou not unto His words, lest He reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." Revelation 22:17-19 also gives a stern warning to the one who would add or subtract from the plan of salvation.

2) To pervert the gospel message is to bring a curse upon the preacher of it.
"But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed (Galatians 1:8)."

3) Altering the message will make it a message that will not save--the cross of Christ will be made of no effect.
I Corinthians 1:17 says that we are to "...preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect."

4) To tamper with God's message of salvation is to call God a liar.
I John 5:10,11 says, "...He that believeth not God hath made him a liar: because he believeth not the record that God gave of His Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son."

5) A 'Christ plus' message makes man's righteousness a part of salvation.
Man's righteousness is filthy rags according to Isaiah 64:6 and would pollute the salvation of God. Romans 10:3 says, "For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted unto the righteousness of God."

6) The 'Christ plus' message causes the saved to become confused.
It robs them of their assurance and brings them into bondage thinking they must do something to stay saved. This is what happened at the churches of Galatia. "And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage (Galatians 2:4)."

7) The 'Christ plus' message causes the lost to be blinded.
Satan doesn't want the lost to hear the true gospel message. The perverted message hides the true message. "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world (Satan) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not...(II Corinthians 4:3,4)."

8) The 'Christ plus' message keeps the Christian from a clear witness.
"Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech (II Corinthians 3:12)."

9) The 'Christ plus' message makes the world think that salvation is by works.
"But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money (Acts 8:20)."

10) The 'Christ plus' message brings persecution to those who preach grace.
Paul said that if he preached 'Christ plus' he would not be persecuted. Galatians 5:11 says, "And I, brethren, if I yet preach circumcision (works), why do I yet suffer persecution: then is the offence of the cross ceased."

Be alert! Be on guard for this perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The beauty of the true message is its simplicity!

2 Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
A link would have been easier: http://www.biblelineministries.org...

Otherwise it counts as plagiarism.