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3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

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3/29/2016 7:46:57 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus.

I'm glad someone else besides me notices that.

I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus.

See no contradictiction, hear no contradiction, speak contradiction.

if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

lol wut xD that took such a sharp turn my neck is broken wtf

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3/29/2016 10:16:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period.

The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus "the messiah". The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus "the messiah" being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom." Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh"s energizing power from on high.

This is not John the Baptizer"s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh"s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom.

Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.
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3/29/2016 10:28:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

Paul"s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God"s earthly program and God"s heavenly program.

Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the "many" spoken of? Israel!

But a ransom for ALL was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.
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3/29/2016 10:52:25 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period.
you mean, after Jesus departed all the problems ended and the tribulation period came to and end but the alleged god chose to deliver message that precisely, explicitly contradicts the one that was given by himself a decade or two ago?
The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus "the messiah". The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus "the messiah"
full stop. any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily know that Jesus never qualified to be the messiah. he never matched it. more than that, Paul preached that alleged messiah's alleged resurrection more than that 12 apostle preached combined. (I am talking about recorded, known actions)
being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom."
being written to have raised from among the dead in order to brainwash the people.
Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh"s energizing power from on high.
any person can write or assert a sentence in order to support his own stance.
This is not John the Baptizer"s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh"s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom.
iOfftopic. has no any relation with the topic.
Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.
if I teach a resurrection and contradict Jesus, then that does not reconcile my contradiction.

for example: Jesus says "Father is greater than I" and if I say "Jesus is greater than the father" it is my contradiction.
if I teach resurrection somebody, does it reconcile my contradiction?
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3/29/2016 10:56:51 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Paul"s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God"s earthly program and God"s heavenly program.
having a distinct something does not reconcile your contradiction if you contradict the original thing. If I contradict the laws of math, say "2+3=37", no matter what kind of message I have that emains a contradiction in front of math.
Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the "many" spoken of? Israel!
so, Jesus was for Israel or the whole world according to Jesus?
But a ransom for ALL was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.
just because Paul proclaimed something that contradicted Jesus does not mean that thing happened, that means Paul contradicted.
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3/29/2016 12:03:02 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

I don't know where you get that from because Paul does not at any point contradict Jesus.

If you think he does then read it again because you are completely misunderstanding what either Paul, or Jesus said, and most likely both.

Jehovah and Christ would not have chosen him as the major contributor of letters to the Bible if you were even remotely correct.

Please point out where you think that Paul contradicts Christ, and I'll show you where, and why, you are inevitably wrong.

It's not that hard, I have done it many, many times over when people are dumb enough to think scripture actually contradicts itself in any way. I'll happily do the same for you.

As to masturbation, yes it is usually for personal gratification, and that is why it is wrong. Paul agrees as many of his words show.

However, have you never heard of mutual masturbation? That too is a part of the general heading of "fornication", which includes all forms of sexual behaviour whether or not they lead to adulterous or homosexual sex. It even includes overly passionate kissing other than between husband and wife.

As Paul says:

Galatians 5:24
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires

Which fits in perfectly with Christ's statement that even thinking about these things is wrong, let alone doing them.

Matthew 5:27,28
27 "You heard that it was said: "You must not commit adultery." 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

True Jesus statement was specific, but the general principle applies to all areas that come under the heading of fornication.

No, Paul does not contradict Jesus in any way or at any time.
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3/29/2016 12:20:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:03:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

I don't know where you get that from because Paul does not at any point contradict Jesus.
I do not know why you fail to understand be"ause Paul usually contradicts Jesus.
If you think he does then read it again because you are completely misunderstanding what either Paul, or Jesus said, and most likely both.
if you think he never did or did less than 80 percent, then read it again because you are complete misunderstanding what either Paul or Jesus is claimed to have said and most likely both.
Jehovah and Christ would not have chosen him as the major contributor of letters to the Bible if you were even remotely correct.
Jehovah and Jesus false Christ have not chosen him even as a toilet cleaner.
Please point out where you think that Paul contradicts Christ, and I'll show you where, and why, you are inevitably wrong.
ok, let me point out as much as the caracter limit allows in my next post.
It's not that hard, I have done it many, many times over when people are dumb enough to think scripture actually contradicts itself in any way. I'll happily do the same for you.
it is so easy, I have done it more than many times over and over again when people are dumb enough bible does not contradict and bible is worthy to read. I will happily do the same for you.
As to masturbation, yes it is usually for personal gratification, and that is why it is wrong. Paul agrees as many of his words show.
you seem to agree on masturbating yourself with such alleged 'reconciliations'. keep on.
However, have you never heard of mutual masturbation? That too is a part of the general heading of "fornication", which includes all forms of sexual behaviour whether or not they lead to adulterous or homosexual sex. It even includes overly passionate kissing other than between husband and wife.
whatever.
As Paul says:

Galatians 5:24
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires
I am not dumb enough to take what Paul says seriously.
Which fits in perfectly with Christ's statement that even thinking about these things is wrong, let alone doing them.
which contradicts perfectly Jesus the wrong messiah's staements.
Matthew 5:27,28
27 "You heard that it was said: "You must not commit adultery." 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
whatever. we are not here to discuss women or glance at women.
True Jesus statement was specific, but the general principle applies to all areas that come under the heading of fornication.
not here to discuss fornication. stop flooding
No, Paul does not contradict Jesus in any way or at any time.
yes, Paul almost always contradicted Jesus and never agrees with him in any way or at any time.
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3/29/2016 12:23:17 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
@madcornishbiker, I changed my mind, I am not going to write here since it is too long and like copying the entire new testament. just look at this links: http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... and http://doctrine.org...
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3/29/2016 12:26:46 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:23:17 PM, Artur wrote:
@madcornishbiker, I changed my mind, I am not going to write here since it is too long and like copying the entire new testament. just look at this links: http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... and http://doctrine.org...

That's up to you. However, I see truth as being worth the effort, hence I make that effort,

However the simple fact is that you brought up masturbation and masturbation is part of fornication, and I discussed fornication with that in view.

If you don't wish to accept what scripture says, that is your choice.
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3/29/2016 12:35:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:26:46 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:23:17 PM, Artur wrote:
@madcornishbiker, I changed my mind, I am not going to write here since it is too long and like copying the entire new testament. just look at this links: http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... and http://doctrine.org...

That's up to you. However, I see truth as being worth the effort, hence I make that effort,
yes, the truth worth the effort but we are talking about a part of a "hristianity, not truth. christianity is just an absurdity and a lie. hence, it is not worth something.
However the simple fact is that you brought up masturbation and masturbation is part of fornication, and I discussed fornication with that in view.
oh, unbelievable. a bible believer can understand something.
If you don't wish to accept what scripture says, that is your choice.
if you wish not to realise and accept where and how much paul contradicts Jesus, that is your choice.

btw, still no rebuttal for the links I wrote here? did any Paulist ever write an answer?
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3/29/2016 12:50:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:35:14 PM, Artur wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:26:46 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:23:17 PM, Artur wrote:
@madcornishbiker, I changed my mind, I am not going to write here since it is too long and like copying the entire new testament. just look at this links: http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... and http://doctrine.org...

That's up to you. However, I see truth as being worth the effort, hence I make that effort,
yes, the truth worth the effort but we are talking about a part of a "Christianity, not truth. christianity is just an absurdity and a lie. hence, it is not worth something.

On the contrary true Christianity, and by that I mean the Christianity taught by Christ and the Apostles, is all about truth John 4:23-24.

The thousands of fake version are not, they are simply Satan's distraction and confusion tactic.

The Bible is 100% truth. Try and disprove it, you will inevitably fail.

However the simple fact is that you brought up masturbation and masturbation is part of fornication, and I discussed fornication with that in view.
oh, unbelievable. a bible believer can understand something.

Of course I can understand something, that is why I am a believer.

It is unbelievers which understand so little, especially what is happening all around us now.

If you don't wish to accept what scripture says, that is your choice.

if you wish not to realise and accept where and how much paul contradicts Jesus, that is your choice.

Of course it is my choice, and since Paul doesn't contradict Christ I shall stick with it.

Truth above all else.


btw, still no rebuttal for the links I wrote here? did any Paulist ever write an answer?

I am not a Paulist, I am a Bible student and worshipper of the same God that Christ and all the Apostles worship, and no I didn't read the links, why should I chase lies when I have the truth at my finger tips?

I follow the one Paul followed and whose teachings Paul espoused, Christ.

Just because I walk the same road as someone does not mean I am following them, or that they are following me. Like Paul, I follow only Christ, I imitate Paul only as he imitated Christ, as he said at 1 Corinthians 11:1.
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3/29/2016 12:55:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:03:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

I don't know where you get that from because Paul does not at any point contradict Jesus.

If you think he does then read it again because you are completely misunderstanding what either Paul, or Jesus said, and most likely both.

Jehovah and Christ would not have chosen him as the major contributor of letters to the Bible if you were even remotely correct.

Please point out where you think that Paul contradicts Christ, and I'll show you where, and why, you are inevitably wrong.

It's not that hard, I have done it many, many times over when people are dumb enough to think scripture actually contradicts itself in any way. I'll happily do the same for you.

As to masturbation, yes it is usually for personal gratification, and that is why it is wrong. Paul agrees as many of his words show.

However, have you never heard of mutual masturbation? That too is a part of the general heading of "fornication", which includes all forms of sexual behaviour whether or not they lead to adulterous or homosexual sex. It even includes overly passionate kissing other than between husband and wife.

As Paul says:

Galatians 5:24
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires

Paul is wrong. You did not nail to the stake the flesh together with its passion and desire even after being with Christ since 1984 when you joined the Jehovah's Witness.

Which fits in perfectly with Christ's statement that even thinking about these things is wrong, let alone doing them.

Christ made it more difficult for perverts like you to change.

Matthew 5:27,28
27 "You heard that it was said: "You must not commit adultery." 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Explain your 4 marriages and divorces, explain your scouting on Mingle2.com a free dating website looking for women while you were committed to Imelda promising to marry her. She is still stuck in native Phillipines and you are on DDO exhalting the viruses of fidelity.

True Jesus statement was specific, but the general principle applies to all areas that come under the heading of fornication.

You are a self declared serial adulterer and suicidal pervert. How did both Paul and Christ forget to mention perverts like you under the heading of fornication?

No, Paul does not contradict Jesus in any way or at any time.
Easy for you to say. You proved both were wrong by going against their teachings by going directly to Jehovah. You said why listen to the messengers when you can go directly to their master, Jehovah.

So why are you teaching others to take the long route when they can approach Jehovah directly and let Jehovah draw them to Christ.
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3/29/2016 1:03:54 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
On the contrary true Christianity, and by that I mean the Christianity taught by Christ and the Apostles, is all about truth John 4:23-24.
ahahaha, there is no such thing as a true christianity since christianity is based on a voting, survey. all are fake.
The thousands of fake version are not, they are simply Satan's distraction and confusion tactic.
yes, thousand of all versions are fake. they are simply imagination of rascals.
The Bible is 100% truth. Try and disprove it, you will inevitably fail.
the bible is 100% absurdity. try and disprove it, you will inevitably fail.
Of course I can understand something, that is why I am a believer.
of course, even a bible believer can understand something.
It is unbelievers which understand so little, especially what is happening all around us now.
they are bible believers which understand so little especially what is happening all around the bible, that is why it is amazing when they understand something.

Of course it is my choice, and since Paul doesn't contradict Christ I shall stick with it.
oif course that is your choice and since Christ never existed Paul cannot contradict him. but he clearly contradicted jesus/hero of gospels which is claimed to have existed and to have matched the messiahsip
Truth above all else.
right, truth above all else.

btw, still no rebuttal for the links I wrote here? did any Paulist ever write an answer?
I am not a Paulist, I am a Bible student and worshipper of the same God that Christ and all the Apostles worship, and no I didn't read the links, why should I chase lies when I have the truth at my finger tips?

A bible student who does as Paul ordered or wished.... yes, you are right not to read the truth when you have already masturbated enough to please with that lies collected in the book named bible.
I follow the one Paul followed and whose teachings Paul espoused, Christ.
before his Schizophrenia or hypocricy he followed the orders of rome, do you follow that rome government? I think you follow the bible, not rome government. after Schizophrenia, he did not follow, he 'invented'

Just because I walk the same road as someone does not mean I am following them
yes, right. well done.
or that they are following me.
again, well done/

Like Paul, I follow only Christ, I imitate Paul only as he imitated Christ, as he said at 1 Corinthians 11:1.
yes, like Paul. like he seemed on the same road but still contradict. you can walk on the same road with someone and still contradict him just like Paul contradicted Jesus.
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3/29/2016 1:12:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:55:27 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 3/29/2016 12:03:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

I don't know where you get that from because Paul does not at any point contradict Jesus.

If you think he does then read it again because you are completely misunderstanding what either Paul, or Jesus said, and most likely both.

Jehovah and Christ would not have chosen him as the major contributor of letters to the Bible if you were even remotely correct.

Please point out where you think that Paul contradicts Christ, and I'll show you where, and why, you are inevitably wrong.

It's not that hard, I have done it many, many times over when people are dumb enough to think scripture actually contradicts itself in any way. I'll happily do the same for you.

As to masturbation, yes it is usually for personal gratification, and that is why it is wrong. Paul agrees as many of his words show.

However, have you never heard of mutual masturbation? That too is a part of the general heading of "fornication", which includes all forms of sexual behaviour whether or not they lead to adulterous or homosexual sex. It even includes overly passionate kissing other than between husband and wife.

As Paul says:

Galatians 5:24
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires

Paul is wrong. You did not nail to the stake the flesh together with its passion and desire even after being with Christ since 1984 when you joined the Jehovah's Witness.

Which fits in perfectly with Christ's statement that even thinking about these things is wrong, let alone doing them.

Christ made it more difficult for perverts like you to change.

Matthew 5:27,28
27 "You heard that it was said: "You must not commit adultery." 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Explain your 4 marriages and divorces, explain your scouting on Mingle2.com a free dating website looking for women while you were committed to Imelda promising to marry her. She is still stuck in native Phillipines and you are on DDO exhalting the viruses (should be virtues) of fidelity.

True Jesus statement was specific, but the general principle applies to all areas that come under the heading of fornication.

You are a self declared serial adulterer and suicidal pervert. How did both Paul and Christ forget to mention perverts like you under the heading of fornication?

No, Paul does not contradict Jesus in any way or at any time.
Easy for you to say. You proved both were wrong by going against their teachings by going directly to Jehovah. You said why listen to the messengers when you can go directly to their master, Jehovah.

So why are you teaching others to take the long route when they can approach Jehovah directly and let Jehovah draw them to Christ.

Sorry for reposting...made typo.
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3/29/2016 1:25:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)
How did you expect him to? They never met, and Paul's only claim to fame is that he hallucinated.

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...
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3/29/2016 1:27:15 PM
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At 3/29/2016 10:52:25 AM, Artur wrote:
Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period.
you mean, after Jesus departed all the problems ended and the tribulation period came to and end but the alleged god chose to deliver message that precisely, explicitly contradicts the one that was given by himself a decade or two ago?
The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus "the messiah". The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus "the messiah"
full stop. any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily know that Jesus never qualified to be the messiah. he never matched it. more than that, Paul preached that alleged messiah's alleged resurrection more than that 12 apostle preached combined. (I am talking about recorded, known actions)
being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom."
being written to have raised from among the dead in order to brainwash the people.
Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh"s energizing power from on high.
any person can write or assert a sentence in order to support his own stance.
This is not John the Baptizer"s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh"s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom.
iOfftopic. has no any relation with the topic.
Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.
if I teach a resurrection and contradict Jesus, then that does not reconcile my contradiction.

for example: Jesus says "Father is greater than I" and if I say "Jesus is greater than the father" it is my contradiction.
if I teach resurrection somebody, does it reconcile my contradiction?

Let's start with this, here is where you lack understanding about Jesus. Where the Mosaic covenant was contracted between Yahweh and the nation, the Davidic covenant is contracted between Yahweh and a single individual, the king. The Davidic covenant is an eternal and unconditional covenant between Yahweh and the House of David, or the dynasty of David. Yahweh says that David and his descendants may be punished for sin. They certainly will be punished for sin, but Yahweh will not take the kingdom away from them as he did from Saul. Yahweh"s unconditional and eternal covenants with the patriarchs and with David do not prelude the possibility of punishment or chastisement for sin as specified in the conditional Mosaic covenant. R32;

The covenant with David, it"s a covenant of grant, it"s a grant of a reward for loyal service and deeds. Yahweh rewards David with the gift of an unending dynasty, in exchange for his loyalty. Yahweh"s oath to preserve the Davidic dynasty, would lead eventually to a popular belief in the invincibility of the Holy City. The belief in Israel"s ultimate deliverance from enemies, became bound up with David and his dynasty. When the kingdom fell finally to the Babylonians, the promise to David"s House was believed to be eternal. The community looked to the future for a restoration of the Davidic line or Davidic king or messiah. R32;

The messiah simply means anointed, one who is "meshiach" is anointed with the holy oil, That is a reference to the fact that the king was initiated into office by means of holy oil being poured on his head. So King David was the messiah of Yahweh, the king anointed by or to Yahweh. And in the exile, Israelites would pray for another messiah, meaning another king from the House of David appointed and anointed by Yahweh to rescue them from enemies, and reestablish them as a nation at peace in their land as David had done. The Israelites hope for a messiah; it involved the restoration of the nation in its land under a Davidic king.
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3/29/2016 1:36:34 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 10:56:51 AM, Artur wrote:
Paul"s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God"s earthly program and God"s heavenly program.
having a distinct something does not reconcile your contradiction if you contradict the original thing. If I contradict the laws of math, say "2+3=37", no matter what kind of message I have that emains a contradiction in front of math.
Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the "many" spoken of? Israel!
so, Jesus was for Israel or the whole world according to Jesus?
But a ransom for ALL was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.
just because Paul proclaimed something that contradicted Jesus does not mean that thing happened, that means Paul contradicted.

Learn and understand Paul. In Matt. 12:36 - The meaning of "idle word" is careless or useless sayings. Starting in Matt. 12:22, their was a Pharisee who was guilty of everything in the context of that story. Paul is who that Pharisee was and Paul was not only first in line, when it came to dispensing the grace of God, Paul was also foremost in crime when it came to murdering the saints of Israel"s earthly kingdom program. R32;

If Paul was at Pentecost, would Paul himself, if he took part in stoning Stephen for believing the message given at Pentecost, would he have been a blasphemer at Pentecost? In Paul"s pre-grace zealousness, he would have been a foremost rejecter of any notion whatsoever that Jesus was Israel"s messiah or that Jesus had been risen from among the dead. R32;

First in line, first in crime are apt descriptions for the Apostle of Grace. Paul was the chosen spokesman for God to relay the information for this entire dispensation of grace. God is not dealing with Israel nationally today, he is dealing with all alike in the Age of Grace. The apostle Paul dispensed a message that the 12 apostles had not dispensed, and that message was different, and that message was geared to the Gentiles. R32;

Paul is the chief pattern of God"s grace to all, he is the foremost example. We need to understand that even though Paul was saved, Paul still considered himself to be a sinner. Paul understood the word: Sin. And Paul understood that word meant to come short of the righteousness belonging to God himself. Paul is the foremost example of the impossibility, the total impossibility of gaining righteousness before God through the performance of the flesh. Those who are sealed in Christ, our careless or useless sayings and words are a Judgment Seat of Christ issue.
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3/29/2016 1:38:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 1:27:15 PM, newnature wrote:
At 3/29/2016 10:52:25 AM, Artur wrote:
Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period.
you mean, after Jesus departed all the problems ended and the tribulation period came to and end but the alleged god chose to deliver message that precisely, explicitly contradicts the one that was given by himself a decade or two ago?
The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus "the messiah". The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus "the messiah"
full stop. any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily know that Jesus never qualified to be the messiah. he never matched it. more than that, Paul preached that alleged messiah's alleged resurrection more than that 12 apostle preached combined. (I am talking about recorded, known actions)
being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom."
being written to have raised from among the dead in order to brainwash the people.
Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh"s energizing power from on high.
any person can write or assert a sentence in order to support his own stance.
This is not John the Baptizer"s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh"s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom.
iOfftopic. has no any relation with the topic.
Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.
if I teach a resurrection and contradict Jesus, then that does not reconcile my contradiction.

for example: Jesus says "Father is greater than I" and if I say "Jesus is greater than the father" it is my contradiction.
if I teach resurrection somebody, does it reconcile my contradiction?

Let's start with this, here is where you lack understanding about Jesus. Where the Mosaic covenant was contracted between Yahweh and the nation, the Davidic covenant is contracted between Yahweh and a single individual, the king. The Davidic covenant is an eternal and unconditional covenant between Yahweh and the House of David, or the dynasty of David. Yahweh says that David and his descendants may be punished for sin. They certainly will be punished for sin, but Yahweh will not take the kingdom away from them as he did from Saul. Yahweh"s unconditional and eternal covenants with the patriarchs and with David do not prelude the possibility of punishment or chastisement for sin as specified in the conditional Mosaic covenant. R32;

The covenant with David, it"s a covenant of grant, it"s a grant of a reward for loyal service and deeds. Yahweh rewards David with the gift of an unending dynasty, in exchange for his loyalty. Yahweh"s oath to preserve the Davidic dynasty, would lead eventually to a popular belief in the invincibility of the Holy City. The belief in Israel"s ultimate deliverance from enemies, became bound up with David and his dynasty. When the kingdom fell finally to the Babylonians, the promise to David"s House was believed to be eternal. The community looked to the future for a restoration of the Davidic line or Davidic king or messiah. R32;

The messiah simply means anointed, one who is "meshiach" is anointed with the holy oil, That is a reference to the fact that the king was initiated into office by means of holy oil being poured on his head. So King David was the messiah of Yahweh, the king anointed by or to Yahweh. And in the exile, Israelites would pray for another messiah, meaning another king from the House of David appointed and anointed by Yahweh to rescue them from enemies, and reestablish them as a nation at peace in their land as David had done. The Israelites hope for a messiah; it involved the restoration of the nation in its land under a Davidic king.

That would be excellent, except that Jesus apparently "the son of God". Major problem there. He doesn't have a human father. This means Jesus can't be king, since he isn't a descendant of David. Paul was so hyped in making Jesus special he forgot this tiny detail. Oh well.
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3/29/2016 1:43:36 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 1:25:06 PM, Rami wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)
How did you expect him to? They never met, and Paul's only claim to fame is that he hallucinated.

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

Here is Paul's claim to fame. Reconciliation simply means a change in status, and it is a major issue recognizing reconciliation. Reconciliation from God"s advantage point is an accomplished fact, and God is reconciled where the totality of the sin debt of all the human race is concerned. R32;

None of us measure up to the perfection of God, and the only reason God could say through Paul, "Grace and Peace be unto you" is because his son fully paid the price. How many of us have grown up with the idea that God has to make a decision at some point in our life whether or not to forgive us for our sins? God forgiving us is not something he must decided to do. R32;

The truth Paul has proclaimed in all of his epistles is we could not get right with God in a million life times of trial and error. We could never make ourselves right with God, and he had to do what we could not do for ourselves. God had to make us right with him, and he did so through the finished work of his perfectly righteous son.

There are those who mistakenly suppose that reconciliation is the same thing as justification. These people have jumped to the conclusion that Jesus Christ taking the sin issue off the table of God"s justice through his becoming sin for the human race is that which makes a person as righteous as God; they have mistaken reconciliation for justification. Being declared righteous is God"s gift to the believing sinner and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the sinner himself doing anything to deserve or merit that righteous standing.
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3/29/2016 1:46:11 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

Therefore, beloved, since you look for these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, spotless and blameless, and regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; just as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, wrote to you, as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction. You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, be on your guard so that you are not carried away by the error of unprincipled men and fall from your own steadfastness, but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
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3/29/2016 1:59:10 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

So I followed your 2nd link (against my better judgement) and the first bit: Controversy has arisen regarding Jesus versus Paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of Jesus and Paul.1 Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven. Paul did not.

Paul did not preach the kingdom of heaven? He didn't use that phraseology perhaps, but it's only the main subject of Paul, lol. His special emphasis was on how the kingdom was now comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, but he writes about it ALL THE TIME.

It's astonishing how off the wall people can be sometimes. I think this kind of 'fabulously wrong' comes from never listening to anybody outside your little circle, maybe never listening to anybody besides one's self.
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3/29/2016 2:02:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 12:03:02 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

I don't know where you get that from because Paul does not at any point contradict Jesus.

If you think he does then read it again because you are completely misunderstanding what either Paul, or Jesus said, and most likely both.

Jehovah and Christ would not have chosen him as the major contributor of letters to the Bible if you were even remotely correct.

Please point out where you think that Paul contradicts Christ, and I'll show you where, and why, you are inevitably wrong.

It's not that hard, I have done it many, many times over when people are dumb enough to think scripture actually contradicts itself in any way. I'll happily do the same for you.

As to masturbation, yes it is usually for personal gratification, and that is why it is wrong. Paul agrees as many of his words show.

However, have you never heard of mutual masturbation? That too is a part of the general heading of "fornication", which includes all forms of sexual behaviour whether or not they lead to adulterous or homosexual sex. It even includes overly passionate kissing other than between husband and wife.

As Paul says:

Galatians 5:24
24 Moreover, those who belong to Christ Jesus have nailed to the stake the flesh together with its passions and desires

Which fits in perfectly with Christ's statement that even thinking about these things is wrong, let alone doing them.

Matthew 5:27,28
27 "You heard that it was said: "You must not commit adultery." 28 But I say to you that everyone who keeps on looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

True Jesus statement was specific, but the general principle applies to all areas that come under the heading of fornication.

No, Paul does not contradict Jesus in any way or at any time.

Jesus is not God. Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, "When I come to the Israelites and say to them, "The God of your fathers has sent me to you," and they ask me, "What is his name?" what shall I say to them?" And God said to Moses, "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh." He continued, "Thus shall you say to the Israelites, "Ehyeh sent me to you." "R32;

Not having been raised among his own people, Moses is ignorant of their God"s name and fears he will lack credibility with the Israelites. God"s proper name, disclosed in the verse 15, is YHVH (spelled "yod-heh-vav-heh" in Hebrew; in ancient times the "vav" was pronounced "w"). But here God first tells Moses its meaning: "I Will Be What I Will Be," meaning "My nature will become evident from my actions." R32;

Then God answers Moses" question about what to say to the people: "Tell them: "Ehyeh" ("I Will Be," a shorter form of the explanation) sent me." This explanation derives God"s name from the verb "h-v-h," a variant form of "h-y-h," "to be." Because God is the speaker, he uses the first person form of the verb.

God choose Paul, not Jesus.
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3/29/2016 2:08:20 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 1:38:47 PM, Rami wrote:
At 3/29/2016 1:27:15 PM, newnature wrote:
At 3/29/2016 10:52:25 AM, Artur wrote:
Before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period.
you mean, after Jesus departed all the problems ended and the tribulation period came to and end but the alleged god chose to deliver message that precisely, explicitly contradicts the one that was given by himself a decade or two ago?
The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus "the messiah". The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus "the messiah"
full stop. any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily know that Jesus never qualified to be the messiah. he never matched it. more than that, Paul preached that alleged messiah's alleged resurrection more than that 12 apostle preached combined. (I am talking about recorded, known actions)
being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom."
being written to have raised from among the dead in order to brainwash the people.
Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh"s energizing power from on high.
any person can write or assert a sentence in order to support his own stance.
This is not John the Baptizer"s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh"s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom.
iOfftopic. has no any relation with the topic.
Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.
if I teach a resurrection and contradict Jesus, then that does not reconcile my contradiction.

for example: Jesus says "Father is greater than I" and if I say "Jesus is greater than the father" it is my contradiction.
if I teach resurrection somebody, does it reconcile my contradiction?

Let's start with this, here is where you lack understanding about Jesus. Where the Mosaic covenant was contracted between Yahweh and the nation, the Davidic covenant is contracted between Yahweh and a single individual, the king. The Davidic covenant is an eternal and unconditional covenant between Yahweh and the House of David, or the dynasty of David. Yahweh says that David and his descendants may be punished for sin. They certainly will be punished for sin, but Yahweh will not take the kingdom away from them as he did from Saul. Yahweh"s unconditional and eternal covenants with the patriarchs and with David do not prelude the possibility of punishment or chastisement for sin as specified in the conditional Mosaic covenant. R32;

The covenant with David, it"s a covenant of grant, it"s a grant of a reward for loyal service and deeds. Yahweh rewards David with the gift of an unending dynasty, in exchange for his loyalty. Yahweh"s oath to preserve the Davidic dynasty, would lead eventually to a popular belief in the invincibility of the Holy City. The belief in Israel"s ultimate deliverance from enemies, became bound up with David and his dynasty. When the kingdom fell finally to the Babylonians, the promise to David"s House was believed to be eternal. The community looked to the future for a restoration of the Davidic line or Davidic king or messiah. R32;

The messiah simply means anointed, one who is "meshiach" is anointed with the holy oil, That is a reference to the fact that the king was initiated into office by means of holy oil being poured on his head. So King David was the messiah of Yahweh, the king anointed by or to Yahweh. And in the exile, Israelites would pray for another messiah, meaning another king from the House of David appointed and anointed by Yahweh to rescue them from enemies, and reestablish them as a nation at peace in their land as David had done. The Israelites hope for a messiah; it involved the restoration of the nation in its land under a Davidic king.

That would be excellent, except that Jesus apparently "the son of God". Major problem there. He doesn't have a human father. This means Jesus can't be king, since he isn't a descendant of David. Paul was so hyped in making Jesus special he forgot this tiny detail. Oh well.

Genesis 3:15 - Jesus was Genesis 3:15 - Jesus was the second Adam. Oh well, don't you forget this tiny detail.
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3/29/2016 2:19:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

Paul cannot be contradicting Jesus when he was teaching the people what he received directly from Jesus.

Galatians 1:11 For I want you to know, brothers and sisters,[d] that the gospel that was proclaimed by me is not of human origin; 12 for I did not receive it from a human source, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.

In Galatians Paul details who he was, how he received the message directly from Jesus and how he verified his understanding of his revelations he received were in line with those of Peter and James. And they gave him their approval after Paul met and discussed the details with them.
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3/29/2016 2:19:34 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 1:59:10 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

So I followed your 2nd link (against my better judgement) and the first bit: Controversy has arisen regarding Jesus versus Paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of Jesus and Paul.1 Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven. Paul did not.

Paul did not preach the kingdom of heaven? He didn't use that phraseology perhaps, but it's only the main subject of Paul, lol. His special emphasis was on how the kingdom was now comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, but he writes about it ALL THE TIME.

It's astonishing how off the wall people can be sometimes. I think this kind of 'fabulously wrong' comes from never listening to anybody outside your little circle, maybe never listening to anybody besides one's self.

The body of Christ has not been promised that earthly kingdom, an earthly inheritance. God has prepared a heavenly habitation for the saints of this dispensation, our citizenship is in heaven.
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3/29/2016 2:38:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 2:19:34 PM, newnature wrote:
At 3/29/2016 1:59:10 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

So I followed your 2nd link (against my better judgement) and the first bit: Controversy has arisen regarding Jesus versus Paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of Jesus and Paul.1 Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven. Paul did not.

Paul did not preach the kingdom of heaven? He didn't use that phraseology perhaps, but it's only the main subject of Paul, lol. His special emphasis was on how the kingdom was now comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, but he writes about it ALL THE TIME.

It's astonishing how off the wall people can be sometimes. I think this kind of 'fabulously wrong' comes from never listening to anybody outside your little circle, maybe never listening to anybody besides one's self.

The body of Christ has not been promised that earthly kingdom, an earthly inheritance. God has prepared a heavenly habitation for the saints of this dispensation, our citizenship is in heaven.

I think we have been promised an earthly kingdom, actually. At the end of Revelation, heaven comes to earth. "Now the dwelling of God is with man...". So it comes full circle. The literal promise to Abraham is fulfilled, just on a grander scale than first imagined.

And Paul teaches that the Gentiles are absorbed into the Jewish kingdom, and he says this was the plan all along. It's what Paul's message is all about, actually, but the message has gotten subtly changed over the centuries. Western Christianity now has a "we're getting the heck out of here" flavor, but the original message (including Paul's) is "Jesus is coming back. We're waiting for Him to be revealed"
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3/29/2016 2:45:51 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 2:38:47 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 3/29/2016 2:19:34 PM, newnature wrote:
At 3/29/2016 1:59:10 PM, v3nesl wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus. I wonder how people who are not smart enough to detect this absurdity lie themselves by seeming like Paul does not contradict Jesus. if there is something they think that reconciles that contradictions and can lie people to get convinced Paul did not contradict Jesus, share please. I would want to read how they masturbate (not in erotic definition. masturbation is to please yourself.)

http://www.jesuswordsonly.com... , http://doctrine.org...

So I followed your 2nd link (against my better judgement) and the first bit: Controversy has arisen regarding Jesus versus Paul as scholars debate the different emphases and messages of Jesus and Paul.1 Jesus preached the kingdom of heaven. Paul did not.

Paul did not preach the kingdom of heaven? He didn't use that phraseology perhaps, but it's only the main subject of Paul, lol. His special emphasis was on how the kingdom was now comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, but he writes about it ALL THE TIME.

It's astonishing how off the wall people can be sometimes. I think this kind of 'fabulously wrong' comes from never listening to anybody outside your little circle, maybe never listening to anybody besides one's self.

The body of Christ has not been promised that earthly kingdom, an earthly inheritance. God has prepared a heavenly habitation for the saints of this dispensation, our citizenship is in heaven.

I think we have been promised an earthly kingdom, actually. At the end of Revelation, heaven comes to earth. "Now the dwelling of God is with man...". So it comes full circle. The literal promise to Abraham is fulfilled, just on a grander scale than first imagined.

And Paul teaches that the Gentiles are absorbed into the Jewish kingdom, and he says this was the plan all along. It's what Paul's message is all about, actually, but the message has gotten subtly changed over the centuries. Western Christianity now has a "we're getting the heck out of here" flavor, but the original message (including Paul's) is "Jesus is coming back. We're waiting for Him to be revealed"

So-called Christendom today fails to rightly divide the word of truth, because they have mixed God"s program with Israel and his program with the Body of Christ and mixed dispensations together; dispensations that do not mix together, and as a result, they think they have taken on Israel"s role from the point where Israel left off.

The programs have simply been intertwined in the minds of the religious world. Any kind of works at all, even if they appear to be good works in a our minds, that are done for the purpose attaining salvation, or for the purpose of maintaining salvation, and even for the purpose of proving our salvation is a slap in the face of God, who had to provide the gift of salvation, because our righteousness would be totally incapable of meriting it.
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3/29/2016 6:01:47 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus.

Probably Paul is just too hard for you to understand.

Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you; as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Pet. 3:15-16

But please, show one example of contradiction.
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3/29/2016 7:05:09 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 3/29/2016 6:01:47 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 3/29/2016 7:07:52 AM, Artur wrote:
Any person of intelligence who read the bible can easily detect that Paul clearly, explicitly contradicts Jesus.

Probably Paul is just too hard for you to understand.

Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you; as also in all of his letters, speaking in them of these things. In those are some things hard to be understood, which the ignorant and unsettled twist, as they also do to the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
2 Pet. 3:15-16

But please, show one example of contradiction.

Well he certainly doesn't contradict Jesus with that statement, as Matthew 13:15 proves.

Jesus was just slightly less tolerant of such ones, and with good reason.

Not only did he have the right to be, had only had limited time so left such ones for his followers to work on.