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11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM
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Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.
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11/18/2010 10:18:56 AM
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At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

I doubt that. It will soon turn into another childish fight.
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11/18/2010 10:22:02 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:18:56 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

I doubt that. It will soon turn into another childish fight.

I am getting better at ignoring the trolls, if I have to ignore several pages for the occaisional valid post I don't mind.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/18/2010 10:28:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:22:02 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:18:56 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

I doubt that. It will soon turn into another childish fight.

I am getting better at ignoring the trolls, if I have to ignore several pages for the occaisional valid post I don't mind.

well you just responded to the KFC troll that only post 'Dance Magic Dance' quite often in the religious forums so your off to a bad start.
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11/18/2010 10:29:19 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

That he knows everything that you can cognition.

Other than that, nothing.
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11/18/2010 10:30:24 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:28:54 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:22:02 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:18:56 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

I doubt that. It will soon turn into another childish fight.

I am getting better at ignoring the trolls, if I have to ignore several pages for the occaisional valid post I don't mind.

well you just responded to the KFC troll that only post 'Dance Magic Dance' quite often in the religious forums so your off to a bad start.

Koopin is not really a troll though is he?
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/18/2010 10:31:54 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

you can infer a central theme being in his design of death and resurrection. for example the Caterpillar. or the general way nature recycles itself. the changing seasons of the year slowly approaching death (winter) to be reborn (spring) the next year. If God has anything to say through his artwork to us it has something to do with death and rebirth.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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11/18/2010 10:34:18 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:30:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:28:54 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:22:02 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:18:56 AM, Koopin wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

I doubt that. It will soon turn into another childish fight.

I am getting better at ignoring the trolls, if I have to ignore several pages for the occaisional valid post I don't mind.

well you just responded to the KFC troll that only post 'Dance Magic Dance' quite often in the religious forums so your off to a bad start.

Koopin is not really a troll though is he?

not right now I guess, and when he does post his 'KFC' spam or 'Dance Magic Dance' it doesn't usually take up more than one post. He's on the borderline I guess, witch is okay.
One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

A Scout is Obedient.
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11/18/2010 10:37:30 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:31:54 AM, Marauder wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

you can infer a central theme being in his design of death and resurrection. for example the Caterpillar. or the general way nature recycles itself. the changing seasons of the year slowly approaching death (winter) to be reborn (spring) the next year. If God has anything to say through his artwork to us it has something to do with death and rebirth.

Interesting idea.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/18/2010 10:58:19 AM
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At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

He likes water. Water keeps people going, it is necessary for life and it makes things clean. Since water takes up about 70 percent of the earth I suppose God wants to be compared to water. Then many other conclusions follow. If interested in the importance of water:
http://science.howstuffworks.com...
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11/18/2010 11:01:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:58:19 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

He likes water. Water keeps people going, it is necessary for life and it makes things clean. Since water takes up about 70 percent of the earth I suppose God wants to be compared to water. Then many other conclusions follow. If interested in the importance of water:
http://science.howstuffworks.com...
> God exists.
> Water exists.
> Water does a lot to sustain life.
> Therefore God likes water.

You can't make any reasonable guesses that aren't completely abstract, for that reason--pointless answers are pointless.
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11/18/2010 11:08:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

Most of the universe is dark very dark even in this world its not always bright and sunny (night,bad weather, etcetera). I don't think I have to argue that color black is usually associated with evil.
The sun on the other hand is very similar to water when it comes to how important something is. I assume that God wants to be compared to the sun. Its interesting to note that the sun being the element of fire is opposite to water being the element of water, obviously. The other conclusions follow.
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11/18/2010 11:10:01 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:01:15 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:58:19 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

He likes water. Water keeps people going, it is necessary for life and it makes things clean. Since water takes up about 70 percent of the earth I suppose God wants to be compared to water. Then many other conclusions follow. If interested in the importance of water:
http://science.howstuffworks.com...
> God exists.
> Water exists.
> Water does a lot to sustain life.
> Therefore God likes water.

You can't make any reasonable guesses that aren't completely abstract, for that reason--pointless answers are pointless.

Are you serious ?!?
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11/18/2010 11:11:22 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:10:01 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 11/18/2010 11:01:15 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
> God exists.
> Water exists.
> Water does a lot to sustain life.
> Therefore God likes water.

You can't make any reasonable guesses that aren't completely abstract, for that reason--pointless answers are pointless.

Are you serious ?!?
Prove me wrong.

N.B. I'm talking about A God, not the Christian God.
'sup DDO -- july 2013
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11/18/2010 11:13:20 AM
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Ultimately all we can do is stand in awe and honestly the universe is too magnificent for us not to be able to compare God to virtually everything. Anyway thats it because I have a feeling that I'm supposed to do something more productive.

*Marches out just to get distracted, again*
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11/18/2010 11:15:11 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:11:22 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
At 11/18/2010 11:10:01 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
At 11/18/2010 11:01:15 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
> God exists.
> Water exists.
> Water does a lot to sustain life.
> Therefore God likes water.

You can't make any reasonable guesses that aren't completely abstract, for that reason--pointless answers are pointless.

Are you serious ?!?
Prove me wrong.

N.B. I'm talking about A God, not the Christian God.

Read my (second) final post as to why I don't bother.
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11/18/2010 11:18:56 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:13:20 AM, vardas0antras wrote:
Ultimately all we can do is stand in awe and honestly the universe is too magnificent for us not to be able to compare God to virtually everything. Anyway thats it because I have a feeling that I'm supposed to do something more productive.

*Marches out just to get distracted, again*
We base what we infer based on everything that we know to exist. Based on everything we know to exist we can't infer anything from complexity, nature or design.
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11/18/2010 11:25:15 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:30:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Koopin is not really a troll though is he?

They're defined as people who say random retardation for attention, right? In that case he definitely applies.
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11/18/2010 11:25:31 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

That he's evil or incompetent, or both.

The birth canal is too small, too many diseases in the world, our teeth don't grow properly, Andromeda is going to collide with the Milky Way, too many natural disasters, and the list goes on.
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11/18/2010 11:26:00 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:11:22 AM, Zetsubou wrote:
N.B. I'm talking about A God, not the Christian God.

Hehe the Christian God's not Christian - he's just "A God" too :P
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11/18/2010 11:27:12 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 10:15:32 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Let's assume two things, that there is a creator/shaper/architect of the Universe and his nature may be inferred from his creation. What therefore can we infer about him?

This is simply a thought experiment.

Anyway back to the OP.

I'd say we can infer that she was powerful and intelligent insofar as intelligent design (creation). That's about it. We wouldn't automatically know if she was good or evil, for example, let alone her goals or desires.
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11/18/2010 11:28:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:25:15 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:30:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Koopin is not really a troll though is he?

They're defined as people who say random retardation for attention, right? In that case he definitely applies.

Okay he is a troll, but he is the most palatable of trolls.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/18/2010 11:37:25 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:29:51 AM, theLwerd wrote:
Why do you ask? Or rather what's the experiment/hypothesis?

To be honest with you I just have issues. I am obsessed with God. I also like mythology, this was just purely to see what sort of ideas people might come up with.
I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.
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11/18/2010 1:02:29 PM
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I really wish more people simply genuinely answered the question rather than present their self-important, pretentious opinions about the people on this site or their theological perspectives.

That said, I think that it's quite intriguing that some of these observations coincide with some "preposterous claims" presented in religion.

Something about spheres, circles, cycles, and the like, appeal to God. Everything is connected, eternal, but finite; present and simple, but incomprehensible. Everything arranges in a sphere, the only shape with one side, two-dimensional and three-dimensional, simultaneously... everything is circles and spirals, revolving outward or inward. Everything is explained by everything else--from spiral theory to galactic orbit.

I can see how someone could become completely consumed with Unified Theory. I can see how someone could be consumed with a single, independent theory, as well.

The truth, the reality to all things, is likely very simple. And, it will take us forever to figure it out.
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11/18/2010 1:04:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 11:25:15 AM, theLwerd wrote:
At 11/18/2010 10:30:24 AM, Cerebral_Narcissist wrote:
Koopin is not really a troll though is he?

They're defined as people who say random retardation for attention, right? In that case he definitely applies.

Definitively!

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11/18/2010 1:18:29 PM
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At 11/18/2010 1:02:29 PM, Ren wrote:
I really wish more people simply genuinely answered the question rather than present their self-important, pretentious opinions about the people on this site or their theological perspectives.

That said, I think that it's quite intriguing that some of these observations coincide with some "preposterous claims" presented in religion.

Something about spheres, circles, cycles, and the like, appeal to God.

How?

Everything is connected, eternal, but finite; present and simple, but incomprehensible. Everything arranges in a sphere, the only shape with one side, two-dimensional and three-dimensional, simultaneously... everything is circles and spirals, revolving outward or inward. Everything is explained by everything else--from spiral theory to galactic orbit.

You may see this as a reason to infer how grand God is, while I simply see this as a reason to infer how grand the Universe is.

I can see how someone could become completely consumed with Unified Theory. I can see how someone could be consumed with a single, independent theory, as well.

The truth, the reality to all things, is likely very simple. And, it will take us forever to figure it out.
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11/18/2010 1:24:14 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 1:18:29 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/18/2010 1:02:29 PM, Ren wrote:
I really wish more people simply genuinely answered the question rather than present their self-important, pretentious opinions about the people on this site or their theological perspectives.

That said, I think that it's quite intriguing that some of these observations coincide with some "preposterous claims" presented in religion.

Something about spheres, circles, cycles, and the like, appeal to God.

How?

?!?!?!

First of all, practically everything that we know to exist is either a collection of things that forms into something rounded, completely round, or spherical; or, it's something that forms in a spiral.

Everything is cyclic, as well. Life to death to life, the recycling of all matter (which is neither created, nor destroyed), and the general arrangement that results in everything spinning or revolving, from atoms to planets to galaxies.

Everything is connected, eternal, but finite; present and simple, but incomprehensible. Everything arranges in a sphere, the only shape with one side, two-dimensional and three-dimensional, simultaneously... everything is circles and spirals, revolving outward or inward. Everything is explained by everything else--from spiral theory to galactic orbit.

You may see this as a reason to infer how grand God is, while I simply see this as a reason to infer how grand the Universe is.

What?

It was an answer to a hypothetical question that assumed there is a God.

I can see how someone could become completely consumed with Unified Theory. I can see how someone could be consumed with a single, independent theory, as well.

The truth, the reality to all things, is likely very simple. And, it will take us forever to figure it out.
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11/18/2010 2:42:39 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 1:02:29 PM, Ren wrote:

First of all, practically everything that we know to exist is either a collection of things that forms into something rounded, completely round, or spherical; or, it's something that forms in a spiral.

http://read.mangashare.com...
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11/18/2010 4:15:32 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/18/2010 2:42:39 PM, Atheism wrote:
At 11/18/2010 1:02:29 PM, Ren wrote:

First of all, practically everything that we know to exist is either a collection of things that forms into something rounded, completely round, or spherical; or, it's something that forms in a spiral.

http://read.mangashare.com...

http://www.imdb.com...