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matt8800
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4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?
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4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...
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4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.
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4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?
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4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:19:47 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Debunking christianity is welcome to explain how the Bible knew Jerisalem would be split towards 3 groups(Islamic, Christian, Jewish) while people are being beheaded all while Damascus is reduced to rubble. Oh look. They missed it. Surprise surprise.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:20:59 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?

I asked in my original post how we resolve this. I don't think your response is satisfying.
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4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)
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4/1/2016 3:23:39 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Jerusalem must still exist.
(It's one of the oldest cities on Earth and is obviously still here.)

-Damsacus will be in ruins
(Isaiah 17:1)

-Jerusalem will be divided into 3 parts. It's divided and considered holy to Christianity, Islam, and Jews.
(Revelation 16:19)

-There will be mass beheadings
(Revelation 20:4)

-A belief system comes to stand against Christ.

-This belief system has an infallable prophet.

-This infallable prophet speaks against the divinity of Christ.

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-This belief system bows to an image.

http://youtu.be...

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-This image they bow down to speaks.

hadith which asserts that "the Stone will appear on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamah) with eyes to see and a tongue to speak, and give evidence in favor of all who kissed it in true devotion, but speak out against whoever indulged in gossip or profane conversations during his circumambulation of the Kaaba".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Debunk anyone? Anyone? Where is "debunking Christianity" when you need them?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/1/2016 3:25:36 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

Theology isn't your strong point. Have you looked at these prophecies? Do you understand the theological difference?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:28:06 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

I'll sneak you a bit of a hint before you embarass yourself. Both groups were given promises by God in the Bible. If you proved them "both right", you wouldn't exactly be hurting us...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:30:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:28:06 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

I'll sneak you a bit of a hint before you embarass yourself. Both groups were given promises by God in the Bible. If you proved them "both right", you wouldn't exactly be hurting us...

Are you saying your god inspired two religions? Seems redundant if you ask me ;)

He certainly works in mysterious ways....
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4/1/2016 3:35:46 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:30:17 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:28:06 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

I'll sneak you a bit of a hint before you embarass yourself. Both groups were given promises by God in the Bible. If you proved them "both right", you wouldn't exactly be hurting us...

Are you saying your god inspired two religions? Seems redundant if you ask me ;)

He certainly works in mysterious ways....

Not at all. The Bible speaks of 2 gods.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:38:12 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 2:4
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:39:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:35:46 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:30:17 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:28:06 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

I'll sneak you a bit of a hint before you embarass yourself. Both groups were given promises by God in the Bible. If you proved them "both right", you wouldn't exactly be hurting us...

Are you saying your god inspired two religions? Seems redundant if you ask me ;)

He certainly works in mysterious ways....

Not at all. The Bible speaks of 2 gods.

So you are saying that there are 2 gods that inspired two separate holy books? After all, they both have fulfilled prophecies according to you. I have never heard of this theology you are speaking of.

From all your past posts, it would seem you believed the Muslims followed a false religion. Why the sudden change of heart?
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4/1/2016 3:40:47 AM
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FALLING FROM HEAVEN
(Islam vs Christianity)

Revelation 12:9
"And the great dragon was thrown down, the serpent of old who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he FELL TO THE EARTH FROM HEAVEN, and his angels were thrown down with him."

(Luke 10:18)
(Jesus)
He replied, "I saw Satan FALL like lightning FROM HEAVEN."

(Islam)The Black Stone of Mecca
"Muslims believe that the Stone itself has supernatural powers. They believe that this stone FELL FROM HEAVEN during the time of Adam and Eve. The Black Stone was once a pure and dazzling white and it has now turned black."

I present to you the black stone that Muslims bow to. Here are pictures, so that you can actually see this thing.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

"When pilgrims circle the Kaaba as part of the Tawaf ritual of the Hajj, many of them try, if possible, to stop and kiss the Black Stone."

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THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD
(Christianity vs Islam)

(Islam)
Prophet Muhammed said that the stone "is the RIGHT HAND OF GOD on Earth."

http://www.crystalinks.com...

(Luke 22:69)(Bible)
"The Son of Man will be seated in the place of power at GOD'S RIGHT HAND."

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SPEAKING IMAGE

(Islam)
"The Stone will appear on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamah) with eyes to see and a tongue to speak, and give evidence in favor of all who kissed it in true devotion."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

(Revelation 13:15)
"The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the IMAGE COULD SPEAK and cause all who refused to bow to the image to be killed."

Muslims circling the image-

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:43:30 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:20:59 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?

I asked in my original post how we resolve this. I don't think your response is satisfying.

The prophecies in the Bible are clear, they are talking about future events.

Whenever I read the Muslim argument that their book likewise has prophecies about future events, the passages they quote are not clearly talking about a future event nor are they as detailed as the Bible's prophecies.

Have you noticed that all the prophecies the website you gave are only 1 sentence a piece? Well with the Bible, sometimes you have prophecies that are whole chapters, sometimes even whole books (like the Book of Revelation).

That is the clear difference between Bible prophecies and out of context and unambiguous 'prophecies' of the Qur'an.
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4/1/2016 3:43:45 AM
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At 4/1/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

2 Corinthians 2:4

And lo, I say unto you, many will speak of false gods and false religions yet they have no evidence. They have eyes yet do not see. They have ears yet do not hear. They have brains yet do not think.

Matt8800 15:2
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4/1/2016 3:44:59 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:39:40 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:35:46 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:30:17 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:28:06 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:22:46 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:16:39 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

I've seen them all. Go ahead and post them. Then I'll post the Biblical prophecies. It's like comparing:

Islamic prophecy: Mahdi will come when the sun sets over the West.

Claim of fulfillment: Obama's symbol is a circle over the American flag.

Biblical prophechy: Damascus will be reduced to rubble at a time when Jerusalem is divided is divided to 3 religions while people are beingbeheaded by a group that bows to an image that they think speaks while having an infallable prophet who renounces Christ... good guess...

that is exactly my point...both Christianity and Islam claim their books contain fulfilled prophecies. I guess thats proof they are both right ;)

I'll sneak you a bit of a hint before you embarass yourself. Both groups were given promises by God in the Bible. If you proved them "both right", you wouldn't exactly be hurting us...

Are you saying your god inspired two religions? Seems redundant if you ask me ;)

He certainly works in mysterious ways....

Not at all. The Bible speaks of 2 gods.

So you are saying that there are 2 gods that inspired two separate holy books? After all, they both have fulfilled prophecies according to you. I have never heard of this theology you are speaking of.

From all your past posts, it would seem you believed the Muslims followed a false religion. Why the sudden change of heart?

You can be inspired by a spirit that is not our god.

Their god is real, but he's not our god. They fulfill the Biblical prophecies about Ishmael's descendents being vast in number and violent against each other and others.

They also fulfill prophechy in the book of Revelation concerning the god who stands against Christ.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/1/2016 3:48:46 AM
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And without Christianity as a bulwark, there would have been no Europe, no America, no "secularism". 100% Sharia.

"The Battle for Jerusalem"

http://youtu.be...

"The Battle for Jerusalem" II

http://youtu.be...

"Do we have terms?"

http://youtu.be...

In a text that is coursing about on social media, professional God-slayer Richard Dawkins begrudgingly admitted that Christianity may actually be our best defense against aberrant forms of religion that threaten the world.

"There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings," Dawkins said. "I am not aware of any Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death."

In a rare moment of candor, Dawkins reluctantly accepted that the teachings of Jesus Christ do not lead to a world of terror, whereas followers of radical Islam perpetrate the very atrocities that he laments.

Because of this realization, Dawkins wondered aloud whether Christianity might indeed offer an antidote to protect western civilization against jihad.

"I have mixed feelings about the decline of Christianity, in so far as Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse," he said.

www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/01/12/professional-atheist-dawkins-says-christianity-bulwark-against-something-worse
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/1/2016 3:50:45 AM
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So the evil Nazis came into power, were hellbent on world domination,and were controlled by a man who thought like this.

"You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion [Islam] too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"
-Adolph Hitler

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."
-Adolph Hitler

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science... The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret " all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams " a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! ...Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline!"

Where did Hitler get his ideology from?

http://youtu.be...

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So who had to stop the nonsense?

In the 1940's America was as close to a 100% Christian nation as a nation can be.

http://www.pewforum.org...

FDR prayer

http://youtu.be...

The greatest march in modern history-

http://youtu.be...

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And look, here we go again! It never ends.

http://youtu.be...

They hate us.

http://youtu.be...

Thanks Donald. All theologians already know this.

Here's a cute Yemeni boy to make sure we understand.

http://youtu.be...

Oh goodie...death to America chants! Get out the wine!

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:51:20 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:43:30 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:20:59 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?

I asked in my original post how we resolve this. I don't think your response is satisfying.

The prophecies in the Bible are clear, they are talking about future events.

Whenever I read the Muslim argument that their book likewise has prophecies about future events, the passages they quote are not clearly talking about a future event nor are they as detailed as the Bible's prophecies.

Have you noticed that all the prophecies the website you gave are only 1 sentence a piece? Well with the Bible, sometimes you have prophecies that are whole chapters, sometimes even whole books (like the Book of Revelation).

That is the clear difference between Bible prophecies and out of context and unambiguous 'prophecies' of the Qur'an.

That is your opinion. I'm sure the Muslims would beg to differ. If it is so obvious to you, why do highly educated, well spoken Muslims think its the other way around?
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4/1/2016 3:53:18 AM
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See a reoccuring trend?

And we can go back to the book of Genesis to see Isaac(father of the Jews) and Ishmael(Father of the Muslims).

http://www.gotquestions.org...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 3:57:27 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:51:20 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:43:30 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:20:59 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?

I asked in my original post how we resolve this. I don't think your response is satisfying.

The prophecies in the Bible are clear, they are talking about future events.

Whenever I read the Muslim argument that their book likewise has prophecies about future events, the passages they quote are not clearly talking about a future event nor are they as detailed as the Bible's prophecies.

Have you noticed that all the prophecies the website you gave are only 1 sentence a piece? Well with the Bible, sometimes you have prophecies that are whole chapters, sometimes even whole books (like the Book of Revelation).

That is the clear difference between Bible prophecies and out of context and unambiguous 'prophecies' of the Qur'an.

That is your opinion. I'm sure the Muslims would beg to differ. If it is so obvious to you, why do highly educated, well spoken Muslims think its the other way around?

Of course they would. God said they would. We aren't surprised by it. Intelligence doesn't make one good or evil, God's or Satan's. 6 of the top 10 highest IQ's on Earth are Christians. If intellect desides then Christianity would win, but that's not what makes something what it is.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 4:00:27 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this? : :

When the Quran was being written by false prophets, they should have just copied word for word all the biblical prophecies that were written long before the Quran was put together.
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4/1/2016 4:00:54 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

If you are truely interested in an answer here is an ex Muslim to explain some things.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 4:01:40 AM
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Ex Muslim explains the antichrist

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/1/2016 4:09:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 3:51:20 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:43:30 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:20:59 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:15:57 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:07:02 AM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 3:05:26 AM, HardRockHallelujah wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:25:25 AM, matt8800 wrote:
I have heard Christians say that Biblical prophecies prove the bible is true.

Apparently, Christians don't have a monopoly on their perception. The Muslims also claim fulfilled prophecies in the Quran is proof of holy inspiration also.

https://www.alislam.org...

Oh my.....what a conundrum. How do we resolve this?

The Qur'an claims to be clear and claims to explain its verses in detail over and over again (Surah 6:114, 11:1, 16:89, 41:3).

Yet when I read the passages in the website it is not at all clear that the Muslims' interpretation of the verses mentioned is the correct one.

If you want a refutation to each of the claims mentioned, check out...

https://wikiislam.net...

I can provide links that refute what Christians claim to be biblical prophecies also if you would like me to.

Okay?...How is that at all relevant to this forum topic?

I asked in my original post how we resolve this. I don't think your response is satisfying.

The prophecies in the Bible are clear, they are talking about future events.

Whenever I read the Muslim argument that their book likewise has prophecies about future events, the passages they quote are not clearly talking about a future event nor are they as detailed as the Bible's prophecies.

Have you noticed that all the prophecies the website you gave are only 1 sentence a piece? Well with the Bible, sometimes you have prophecies that are whole chapters, sometimes even whole books (like the Book of Revelation).

That is the clear difference between Bible prophecies and out of context and unambiguous 'prophecies' of the Qur'an.

That is your opinion. I'm sure the Muslims would beg to differ. If it is so obvious to you, why do highly educated, well spoken Muslims think its the other way around?

The response is simple, show me a prophecy in the Qur'an that is very clearly referring to a future event and explains it in detail; 1 sentence statements are hardly as detailed as the Bible's prophecies.

Prove me wrong, show me the detailed prophecies in the Qur'an that I am somehow missing.