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4/1/2016 5:00:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Posted by Genesis 1, KJV

As you read this analysis of the start of Genesis, keep this diagram in mind:

http://www.internetmonk.com...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is an introduction to the story and tells us only when the world was created --- in the beginning, whenever that was. (No actual creation has occurred yet, there is only the deep). This is immediately at odds with reality since we know that the universe goes back to the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago, whilst our solar system, including the Earth, didn't form (and couldn't have formed) until 9 billion years later. That would be a fail of the reality test.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice how God seems to be paying special attention to one tiny speck of dust in a cosmic immensity for no apparent reason. However, if you look at the diagram, it made sense to the Genesis author since they had an Earth-centric view of the cosmos. There was no Earth (it was void). The land was submerged by water and everything was dark (proof that there was no sky or celestial objects yet).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Clearly the author has no idea that the Sun is the source of night and day. Here he treats them as an entirely independent phenomenon which needs its own independent explanation. There is no hint of what the source of the light might be. Reality test failure.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Creation of Heaven. Quite straightforward. God lifted a portion of the water and held it aloft in the air by means of a transparent dome called the firmament or sky or heavens. The firmament/sky was blue because of the water held above it. This firmament had small windows in it which God opened at regular intervals to allow rain to fall. (In the case of Noah's flood, all the windows were opened at once). Reality test failure.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Creation of Earth. Again, fairly straightforward. The land which had been submerged was lifted out of the water by pushing the waters to one side (somehow). God then supported the land floating on the deep. Hence the phrase elsewhere in the OT about "the Earth hanging on nothing" due entirely to the will of God. Reality test failure.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

There was life on Earth without a Sun for light (photosynthesis) and warmth. Reality test failure.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Finally the Sun appears, long after light and life on Earth. The author shows no knowledge that the Sun is the source of light in the sky (it is merely a light) and neither does he tie it to the day-night cycle. He also seems ignorant of the fact that the Sun is essential for life. Lastly he makes the blunder of treating the Moon as a light. Notice how the trillions of stars are created as a mere afterthought when in actuality most also each have their own retinue of planets just like our solar system. No knowledge is demonstrated of other galaxies nor of the vastness of space. Reality test failure.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Sun, Moon and stars (no other planets) are set into the firmament or dome of the sky. The Sun rules over the day and the Moon rules over the night. Uncontroversial.

When Genesis is looked at through the prism of Hebrew cosmology, the elements of the story are consistent and make complete sense. Unfortunately the Hebrew cosmology bears absolutely no relationship to reality. None. How could any rational person in the light of this knowledge possibly consider the Genesis account to be anything but a plucky attempt at explaining what was really incomprehensible to a people without sufficient knowledge nor the means to obtain it?
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4/1/2016 5:18:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 5:00:15 AM, dee-em wrote:
Posted by Genesis 1, KJV

As you read this analysis of the start of Genesis, keep this diagram in mind:

http://www.internetmonk.com...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is an introduction to the story and tells us only when the world was created --- in the beginning, whenever that was. (No actual creation has occurred yet, there is only the deep). This is immediately at odds with reality since we know that the universe goes back to the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago, whilst our solar system, including the Earth, didn't form (and couldn't have formed) until 9 billion years later. That would be a fail of the reality test.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice how God seems to be paying special attention to one tiny speck of dust in a cosmic immensity for no apparent reason. However, if you look at the diagram, it made sense to the Genesis author since they had an Earth-centric view of the cosmos. There was no Earth (it was void). The land was submerged by water and everything was dark (proof that there was no sky or celestial objects yet).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Clearly the author has no idea that the Sun is the source of night and day. Here he treats them as an entirely independent phenomenon which needs its own independent explanation. There is no hint of what the source of the light might be. Reality test failure.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Creation of Heaven. Quite straightforward. God lifted a portion of the water and held it aloft in the air by means of a transparent dome called the firmament or sky or heavens. The firmament/sky was blue because of the water held above it. This firmament had small windows in it which God opened at regular intervals to allow rain to fall. (In the case of Noah's flood, all the windows were opened at once). Reality test failure.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Creation of Earth. Again, fairly straightforward. The land which had been submerged was lifted out of the water by pushing the waters to one side (somehow). God then supported the land floating on the deep. Hence the phrase elsewhere in the OT about "the Earth hanging on nothing" due entirely to the will of God. Reality test failure.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

There was life on Earth without a Sun for light (photosynthesis) and warmth. Reality test failure.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Finally the Sun appears, long after light and life on Earth. The author shows no knowledge that the Sun is the source of light in the sky (it is merely a light) and neither does he tie it to the day-night cycle. He also seems ignorant of the fact that the Sun is essential for life. Lastly he makes the blunder of treating the Moon as a light. Notice how the trillions of stars are created as a mere afterthought when in actuality most also each have their own retinue of planets just like our solar system. No knowledge is demonstrated of other galaxies nor of the vastness of space. Reality test failure.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Sun, Moon and stars (no other planets) are set into the firmament or dome of the sky. The Sun rules over the day and the Moon rules over the night. Uncontroversial.

When Genesis is looked at through the prism of Hebrew cosmology, the elements of the story are consistent and make complete sense. Unfortunately the Hebrew cosmology bears absolutely no relationship to reality. None. How could any rational person in the light of this knowledge possibly consider the Genesis account to be anything but a plucky attempt at explaining what was really incomprehensible to a people without sufficient knowledge nor the means to obtain it? : :

You really shouldn't be trying to teach anything unless you're speaking for the Voice of God. The scientists are clueless to how God created everything and then gave us make-believe life experiences through His Voice.
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4/1/2016 6:48:30 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 5:18:15 AM, bulpoof wrote:
You really shouldn't be trying to teach anything unless you're speaking for the Voice of God. The scientists are clueless to how God created everything and then gave us make-believe life experiences through His Voice.

that's because there's no evidence of your god, or that anything was actually created.
if you think there is evidence for your god, then i suggest you actually look for it.
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4/1/2016 7:59:26 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 5:18:15 AM, bulpoof wrote:
At 4/1/2016 5:00:15 AM, dee-em wrote:
Posted by Genesis 1, KJV

As you read this analysis of the start of Genesis, keep this diagram in mind:

http://www.internetmonk.com...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is an introduction to the story and tells us only when the world was created --- in the beginning, whenever that was. (No actual creation has occurred yet, there is only the deep). This is immediately at odds with reality since we know that the universe goes back to the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago, whilst our solar system, including the Earth, didn't form (and couldn't have formed) until 9 billion years later. That would be a fail of the reality test.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice how God seems to be paying special attention to one tiny speck of dust in a cosmic immensity for no apparent reason. However, if you look at the diagram, it made sense to the Genesis author since they had an Earth-centric view of the cosmos. There was no Earth (it was void). The land was submerged by water and everything was dark (proof that there was no sky or celestial objects yet).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Clearly the author has no idea that the Sun is the source of night and day. Here he treats them as an entirely independent phenomenon which needs its own independent explanation. There is no hint of what the source of the light might be. Reality test failure.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Creation of Heaven. Quite straightforward. God lifted a portion of the water and held it aloft in the air by means of a transparent dome called the firmament or sky or heavens. The firmament/sky was blue because of the water held above it. This firmament had small windows in it which God opened at regular intervals to allow rain to fall. (In the case of Noah's flood, all the windows were opened at once). Reality test failure.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Creation of Earth. Again, fairly straightforward. The land which had been submerged was lifted out of the water by pushing the waters to one side (somehow). God then supported the land floating on the deep. Hence the phrase elsewhere in the OT about "the Earth hanging on nothing" due entirely to the will of God. Reality test failure.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

There was life on Earth without a Sun for light (photosynthesis) and warmth. Reality test failure.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Finally the Sun appears, long after light and life on Earth. The author shows no knowledge that the Sun is the source of light in the sky (it is merely a light) and neither does he tie it to the day-night cycle. He also seems ignorant of the fact that the Sun is essential for life. Lastly he makes the blunder of treating the Moon as a light. Notice how the trillions of stars are created as a mere afterthought when in actuality most also each have their own retinue of planets just like our solar system. No knowledge is demonstrated of other galaxies nor of the vastness of space. Reality test failure.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Sun, Moon and stars (no other planets) are set into the firmament or dome of the sky. The Sun rules over the day and the Moon rules over the night. Uncontroversial.

When Genesis is looked at through the prism of Hebrew cosmology, the elements of the story are consistent and make complete sense. Unfortunately the Hebrew cosmology bears absolutely no relationship to reality. None. How could any rational person in the light of this knowledge possibly consider the Genesis account to be anything but a plucky attempt at explaining what was really incomprehensible to a people without sufficient knowledge nor the means to obtain it? : :

You really shouldn't be trying to teach anything unless you're speaking for the Voice of God. The scientists are clueless to how God created everything and then gave us make-believe life experiences through His Voice.

As there are no gods, there cannot be godly voices. Try again, phoney.
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4/2/2016 4:15:41 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Good, that's settled. Christians, consider yourself educated. I don't want to see another thread where a Christian asserts that Genesis is scientific and an accurate account of reality. Lol.
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4/2/2016 11:02:42 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 4:15:41 AM, dee-em wrote:
Good, that's settled. Christians, consider yourself educated. I don't want to see another thread where a Christian asserts that Genesis is scientific and an accurate account of reality. Lol.

o! o! o! (3 thumbs up....lol)
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4/12/2016 12:46:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/1/2016 5:00:15 AM, dee-em wrote:
Posted by Genesis 1, KJV

As you read this analysis of the start of Genesis, keep this diagram in mind:

http://www.internetmonk.com...

1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

This is an introduction to the story and tells us only when the world was created --- in the beginning, whenever that was. (No actual creation has occurred yet, there is only the deep). This is immediately at odds with reality since we know that the universe goes back to the Big Bang 13.7 billion years ago, whilst our solar system, including the Earth, didn't form (and couldn't have formed) until 9 billion years later. That would be a fail of the reality test.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Notice how God seems to be paying special attention to one tiny speck of dust in a cosmic immensity for no apparent reason. However, if you look at the diagram, it made sense to the Genesis author since they had an Earth-centric view of the cosmos. There was no Earth (it was void). The land was submerged by water and everything was dark (proof that there was no sky or celestial objects yet).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

Clearly the author has no idea that the Sun is the source of night and day. Here he treats them as an entirely independent phenomenon which needs its own independent explanation. There is no hint of what the source of the light might be. Reality test failure.

6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

Creation of Heaven. Quite straightforward. God lifted a portion of the water and held it aloft in the air by means of a transparent dome called the firmament or sky or heavens. The firmament/sky was blue because of the water held above it. This firmament had small windows in it which God opened at regular intervals to allow rain to fall. (In the case of Noah's flood, all the windows were opened at once). Reality test failure.

9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
10 And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

Creation of Earth. Again, fairly straightforward. The land which had been submerged was lifted out of the water by pushing the waters to one side (somehow). God then supported the land floating on the deep. Hence the phrase elsewhere in the OT about "the Earth hanging on nothing" due entirely to the will of God. Reality test failure.

11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.

There was life on Earth without a Sun for light (photosynthesis) and warmth. Reality test failure.

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

Finally the Sun appears, long after light and life on Earth. The author shows no knowledge that the Sun is the source of light in the sky (it is merely a light) and neither does he tie it to the day-night cycle. He also seems ignorant of the fact that the Sun is essential for life. Lastly he makes the blunder of treating the Moon as a light. Notice how the trillions of stars are created as a mere afterthought when in actuality most also each have their own retinue of planets just like our solar system. No knowledge is demonstrated of other galaxies nor of the vastness of space. Reality test failure.

17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

The Sun, Moon and stars (no other planets) are set into the firmament or dome of the sky. The Sun rules over the day and the Moon rules over the night. Uncontroversial.

When Genesis is looked at through the prism of Hebrew cosmology, the elements of the story are consistent and make complete sense. Unfortunately the Hebrew cosmology bears absolutely no relationship to reality. None. How could any rational person in the light of this knowledge possibly consider the Genesis account to be anything but a plucky attempt at explaining what was really incomprehensible to a people without sufficient knowledge nor the means to obtain it? : :

Why do you listen to scientists instead of the Voice of God and obeying His commandments? Scientists don't understand how we were created.
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4/12/2016 12:48:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 12:46:38 AM, oneteacher wrote:

Why do you listen to scientists instead of the Voice of God and obeying His commandments? Scientists don't understand how we were created.

Stop polluting my threads, Brad. You are a serial pest.
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4/12/2016 12:51:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 12:48:59 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:38 AM, oneteacher wrote:

Why do you listen to scientists instead of the Voice of God and obeying His commandments? Scientists don't understand how we were created.

Stop polluting my threads, Brad. You are a serial pest.: :

And you're a very deceived false teacher. That's why I'm in this forum to straighten out all the members who have listened to you.