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4/1/2016 9:33:32 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

No, for me.
Religion is the guide for a better living .It creates justice among those who follow it right , and it prevents a lot of harm , again among those who follow it , read and research.
We need catalog when we buy something new :mobile , P.S, refrigerator, etc.. to understand how this thing work and how to start it. so what about that huge complicated universe?
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4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM
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At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.
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4/1/2016 10:26:06 AM
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At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

No real difference in most developed societies. People already live their lives largely independent of religion apart from a bit of ceremony at births, marriages and death. Christmas and Easter have been appropriated as an opportunity to sell things.
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4/1/2016 10:39:18 AM
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Some religious people are good and decent, but would probably be so religious or not. However, many are very unpleasant and use their versions of religion as an excuse for their nastiness.

In my opinion religion, especially Christianity and Islam, are a force for evil in the hands of the extreme elements of those two religions.
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4/1/2016 11:57:50 AM
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At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

Depends on the religion. They all have completely different constructs.
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4/1/2016 12:03:56 PM
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For example one religion can be a bulwark against a bad religion, keeping it from getting a foothold.

One religion gave us the first constructs of womem's rights as we know them today. Christ.

Some religions destroy the lives of people and neighbors such as ISIS ideology.

Some religion gives hope, purpose, and meaning.

Some religions are psychologically destructive by not fulfilling psychological needs of positive focus, eaning, purpose, hoe, uncunditional love, etc such as Atheism. Ahem...
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4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM
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We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.
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4/1/2016 12:32:17 PM
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At 4/1/2016 12:03:56 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
For example one religion can be a bulwark against a bad religion, keeping it from getting a foothold.

One religion gave us the first constructs of womem's rights as we know them today. Christ.

Lulz.

Some religions destroy the lives of people and neighbors such as ISIS ideology.

Some religion gives hope, purpose, and meaning.

Some religions are psychologically destructive by not fulfilling psychological needs of positive focus, eaning, purpose, hoe, uncunditional love, etc such as Atheism. Ahem...

lulz.
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4/1/2016 1:22:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

You have no understanding of what atheism actually is. How can a lack of belief in something make it a focus on the negative. You don't need to believe in god to support many of the teachings of Christ. Blind faith in a creator deity doesn't make you a good or moral person.
I personally think that the phasing out of religions over time would be a good thing in that we can focus on truly understanding the world and universe around us.
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4/1/2016 1:35:27 PM
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In my personal opinion, yes. Much of what had held back progress in many areas is the rigid and reluctant to change dogmatism of religion in general and of so-called 'fundamentalists' in specific. When the best minds of the time are shacked and in some cases killed by religious zealots it demonstrates this most clearly.
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4/1/2016 1:39:25 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

There is nothing in religion, or the rejection of religion that insures happiness, joy etc. To imply that either the religious or non-religious could not, or do not have happiness is nonsense.

Now, if you want to examine the "deeper purpose" an atheists may have vs. some believer it should be apparent that someone who has no eternal afterlife coming to him is much more vested in the quality of the world we know for fact, the natural world. He will be interested in well-being of those close to him, and the generations to come with a keen eye for solutions that don't rely on waiting around for magic to fix problems.

On the OP topic directly... This is a tricky question. Religion has done many things to build the social structures we have. The benefits are real. The unintended consequences have been disastrous. This sort of tribalism will lead to conflict, but that conflict might have happened with or without belief in a deity. Where and when we shed the tribal divisions, we are better able to live at peace with others. Having at the head of your tribe a Omnipotent god makes bridging any gap much harder. Add teachings that your god is the only god with the only correct teachings, and you are brewing disaster.
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4/1/2016 2:04:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

If religion were kept behind closed doors where it belongs and not out in the public eye, then it wouldn't matter, religion can flourish and no one would care. The bigger problem is the indoctrination of children into a religion, that we can certainly do without.
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4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM
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At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.
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4/1/2016 2:19:56 PM
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At 4/1/2016 1:39:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

There is nothing in religion, or the rejection of religion that insures happiness, joy etc. To imply that either the religious or non-religious could not, or do not have happiness is nonsense.

Now, if you want to examine the "deeper purpose" an atheists may have vs. some believer it should be apparent that someone who has no eternal afterlife coming to him is much more vested in the quality of the world we know for fact, the natural world. He will be interested in well-being of those close to him, and the generations to come with a keen eye for solutions that don't rely on waiting around for magic to fix problems.

On the OP topic directly... This is a tricky question. Religion has done many things to build the social structures we have. The benefits are real. The unintended consequences have been disastrous. This sort of tribalism will lead to conflict, but that conflict might have happened with or without belief in a deity. Where and when we shed the tribal divisions, we are better able to live at peace with others. Having at the head of your tribe a Omnipotent god makes bridging any gap much harder. Add teachings that your god is the only god with the only correct teachings, and you are brewing disaster.

How many creator gods are there to pick from? Zeus had a cause. Chaos? Had a cause. Brahma? Caused. Shiva? Kali? Caused. Osiris? Caused. Isis? Caused. Ra? Caused. Buhdism? Claims no god. So here we are in real life with one uncaused being shared by the majority of the planet. There is only one uncaused being claimed by mainstreem religion. And if Atheism is incorrect it stares Him in the eyeball to its own demise.
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4/1/2016 2:22:27 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.

What is "morality", and where does it come from? Your view, my view, and a Muslim's view of morality are completely different. So which morality actually is "morality"? And is morality black and white?
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4/1/2016 2:22:43 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Religion is not necessary to achieving these things.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

This makes no sense; how does not having a belief in a deity mean having a focus on the negative? You are grossly generalizing a lot of people who only have this one specific thing in common, which is not believing in a God. An atheist person is free to believe in anything else and even be religious; there are atheistic religions out there, you know.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

Atheism =/= nihilism. Atheism =/= naturalism. This is, again, a gross and erroneous generalization and conflation based on your biases.
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4/1/2016 2:23:45 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:04:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

If religion were kept behind closed doors where it belongs and not out in the public eye, then it wouldn't matter, religion can flourish and no one would care. The bigger problem is the indoctrination of children into a religion, that we can certainly do without.

Such as Atheists who indoctrinate their children towards their worldview?
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4/1/2016 2:25:24 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:22:43 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Religion is not necessary to achieving these things.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

This makes no sense; how does not having a belief in a deity mean having a focus on the negative? You are grossly generalizing a lot of people who only have this one specific thing in common, which is not believing in a God. An atheist person is free to believe in anything else and even be religious; there are atheistic religions out there, you know.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

Atheism =/= nihilism. Atheism =/= naturalism. This is, again, a gross and erroneous generalization and conflation based on your biases.

Name an atheist who doesn't believe we are simply animals, dna replicating machines in a reality where there is no good. No evil. Just pitiless indifference.
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4/1/2016 2:26:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:22:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.

What is "morality", and where does it come from?

A general sense of how we feel people should be treated, and it generally stems from how we would like to be treated.

Your view, my view, and a Muslim's view of morality are completely different. So which morality actually is "morality"?

They both are.

And is morality black and white?

No. Practical and impractical, hypocritical or not hypocritical, but "black and white" I don't believe so.
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4/1/2016 2:26:06 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:22:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.

What is "morality", and where does it come from? Your view, my view, and a Muslim's view of morality are completely different. So which morality actually is "morality"? And is morality black and white?

I'm speaking generally of the notion of human morality; not that which is proclaimed to be right and wrong according to arcane and authoritative religious bodies and scriptures. Certainly, everyone's sense of morality can vary, and a very few do not even possess the empathy needed to understand morality, but for the most part, a person in general has the same basic moral principles (religion aside).
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4/1/2016 2:26:28 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:23:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:04:39 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

If religion were kept behind closed doors where it belongs and not out in the public eye, then it wouldn't matter, religion can flourish and no one would care. The bigger problem is the indoctrination of children into a religion, that we can certainly do without.

Such as Atheists who indoctrinate their children towards their worldview?

Ah, still haven't figured out what atheism is about. Now you know why your debate offer to me will not be accepted, it is completely meaningless due to your ignorance in this regard.
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4/1/2016 2:30:08 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:22:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.

What is "morality", and where does it come from? Your view, my view, and a Muslim's view of morality are completely different. So which morality actually is "morality"? And is morality black and white?

Morality is an outgrowth of our shared desire to survive and thrive, two things promoted by what are considered by most to be 'moral' actions. No god needed, only the recognition of facts.
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4/1/2016 2:30:31 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:19:56 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 1:39:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

There is nothing in religion, or the rejection of religion that insures happiness, joy etc. To imply that either the religious or non-religious could not, or do not have happiness is nonsense.

Now, if you want to examine the "deeper purpose" an atheists may have vs. some believer it should be apparent that someone who has no eternal afterlife coming to him is much more vested in the quality of the world we know for fact, the natural world. He will be interested in well-being of those close to him, and the generations to come with a keen eye for solutions that don't rely on waiting around for magic to fix problems.

On the OP topic directly... This is a tricky question. Religion has done many things to build the social structures we have. The benefits are real. The unintended consequences have been disastrous. This sort of tribalism will lead to conflict, but that conflict might have happened with or without belief in a deity. Where and when we shed the tribal divisions, we are better able to live at peace with others. Having at the head of your tribe a Omnipotent god makes bridging any gap much harder. Add teachings that your god is the only god with the only correct teachings, and you are brewing disaster.

How many creator gods are there to pick from? Zeus had a cause. Chaos? Had a cause. Brahma? Caused. Shiva? Kali? Caused. Osiris? Caused. Isis? Caused. Ra? Caused. Buhdism? Claims no god. So here we are in real life with one uncaused being shared by the majority of the planet. There is only one uncaused being claimed by mainstreem religion. And if Atheism is incorrect it stares Him in the eyeball to its own demise.

None of that has anything to do with anything I said, or with the OP.
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4/1/2016 2:30:56 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:25:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:22:43 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Religion is not necessary to achieving these things.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

This makes no sense; how does not having a belief in a deity mean having a focus on the negative? You are grossly generalizing a lot of people who only have this one specific thing in common, which is not believing in a God. An atheist person is free to believe in anything else and even be religious; there are atheistic religions out there, you know.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

Atheism =/= nihilism. Atheism =/= naturalism. This is, again, a gross and erroneous generalization and conflation based on your biases.

Name an atheist who doesn't believe we are simply animals, dna replicating machines in a reality where there is no good. No evil. Just pitiless indifference.

Uh, me.
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4/1/2016 2:31:16 PM
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Atheist view:

The world will die in a heat death per the sun burning up or per supernova.

Nature is cruel. And I will ultimately die. The end.

These are atheist comments on this very forum.

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Where my focus is:

There is deeper meaning and purpose.

God has a plan for my life.

God loves me.

I love God.

I will live forever.

God is in control.

Everything's going to be all right.
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4/1/2016 2:33:24 PM
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At 4/1/2016 2:26:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:22:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:13:21 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 9:40:05 AM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/1/2016 8:09:01 AM, RedAtheist912 wrote:
Would we be better of without religion?

NO. because everybody looking for the best life one can get. so they would do whatever they can to get what they want to achieve by all means. so there would be no "good/bad" morality its relative and the common ppl think there is objective morality which doesnt exist anyway.

Do you really think that people so readily cast aside their morality without a belief in eternal reward and punishment? Do you really think that caring for others isn't one of the very things that does make life more satisfying and worth living? We're social animals; it's in our very nature to care for each other.

What is "morality", and where does it come from?

A general sense of how we feel people should be treated, and it generally stems from how we would like to be treated.


Your view, my view, and a Muslim's view of morality are completely different. So which morality actually is "morality"?

They both are.

And is morality black and white?

No. Practical and impractical, hypocritical or not hypocritical, but "black and white" I don't believe so.

1.7 billion Muslims believe beheading, death, and stoning are fine moral punishments. Is this moral in your view? They think it is.
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4/1/2016 2:34:08 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:22:43 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Religion is not necessary to achieving these things.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

This makes no sense; how does not having a belief in a deity mean having a focus on the negative? You are grossly generalizing a lot of people who only have this one specific thing in common, which is not believing in a God. An atheist person is free to believe in anything else and even be religious; there are atheistic religions out there, you know.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

Atheism =/= nihilism. Atheism =/= naturalism. This is, again, a gross and erroneous generalization and conflation based on your biases.

Name an atheist who doesn't believe we are simply animals, dna replicating machines in a reality where there is no good. No evil. Just pitiless indifference.

1. Referring to humans as "animals" in a scientific and categorical sense is not degrading, except to those who possess a superiority complex and need to feel like the most important thing on the planet. This is irrelevant to either point.

2. There are atheists on this very site (i.e. Ruv, Skepticalone) who believe that there is objective good in this world. Not all atheist are nihilists; just because you know a lot who are, doesn't mean that all of them are. That would be the Hasty Generalization logical fallacy (https://www.logicallyfallacious.com...). My cousin, who is an atheist, believes in spirits and spirituality. He believes in actual purpose, and in good and evil.

You are projecting your personally held perspective of atheism onto all atheists, and you're in err.
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4/1/2016 2:37:26 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:30:31 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:19:56 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 1:39:25 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

There is nothing in religion, or the rejection of religion that insures happiness, joy etc. To imply that either the religious or non-religious could not, or do not have happiness is nonsense.

Now, if you want to examine the "deeper purpose" an atheists may have vs. some believer it should be apparent that someone who has no eternal afterlife coming to him is much more vested in the quality of the world we know for fact, the natural world. He will be interested in well-being of those close to him, and the generations to come with a keen eye for solutions that don't rely on waiting around for magic to fix problems.

On the OP topic directly... This is a tricky question. Religion has done many things to build the social structures we have. The benefits are real. The unintended consequences have been disastrous. This sort of tribalism will lead to conflict, but that conflict might have happened with or without belief in a deity. Where and when we shed the tribal divisions, we are better able to live at peace with others. Having at the head of your tribe a Omnipotent god makes bridging any gap much harder. Add teachings that your god is the only god with the only correct teachings, and you are brewing disaster.

How many creator gods are there to pick from? Zeus had a cause. Chaos? Had a cause. Brahma? Caused. Shiva? Kali? Caused. Osiris? Caused. Isis? Caused. Ra? Caused. Buhdism? Claims no god. So here we are in real life with one uncaused being shared by the majority of the planet. There is only one uncaused being claimed by mainstreem religion. And if Atheism is incorrect it stares Him in the eyeball to its own demise.

None of that has anything to do with anything I said, or with the OP.

You spoke of claiming a god as bad. By god you inferred a creator, a first, uncaused entity/being. Only one is claimed by any mainstream religion. Many Hindus accept the Abrahamic god because it satisfies their panthera of caused gods. There's only one uncaused creator god to claim. Thus we are not forcing one particular creator when there is only one creator to pick from in the first place.
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4/1/2016 2:38:12 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/1/2016 2:25:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/1/2016 2:22:43 PM, Chaosism wrote:
At 4/1/2016 12:09:23 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
We have scientific psychological needs for happiness, joy in life, etc.

Religion is not necessary to achieving these things.

Atheism has a focus on the negative. It provides no unconditional love, seeing love to them does not exist.

This makes no sense; how does not having a belief in a deity mean having a focus on the negative? You are grossly generalizing a lot of people who only have this one specific thing in common, which is not believing in a God. An atheist person is free to believe in anything else and even be religious; there are atheistic religions out there, you know.

Atheism gives no deeper meaning or purpose. Just pitiless indifference. No good. No evil.

Atheism =/= nihilism. Atheism =/= naturalism. This is, again, a gross and erroneous generalization and conflation based on your biases.

Name an atheist who doesn't believe we are simply animals, dna replicating machines in a reality where there is no good. No evil. Just pitiless indifference.

Every atheist I know, including myself.
We define good and evil based on values we obtain through our life experiences. To suggest people who don't believe in some creator deity have no concept of good and evil is staggeringly ignorant.