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How do christians know right from wrong?

bulproof
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4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
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4/2/2016 12:20:54 PM
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The 1st time they read the bible it was truly amazing, when every thought they ever had and every thing they believed in was in there. A true miracle.
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4/2/2016 1:43:33 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

That's the thing about religions, they don't actually explain why something might be right or wrong, it only commands you to do this or don't do that. That's why believers have such a hard time understanding how it's possible for non-believers to know right from wrong.
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4/2/2016 2:51:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 1:43:33 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

That's the thing about religions, they don't actually explain why something might be right or wrong, it only commands you to do this or don't do that. That's why believers have such a hard time understanding how it's possible for non-believers to know right from wrong.
And look at Srebrenica, a religious genocide that made god happy.
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/2/2016 2:56:18 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 1:43:33 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

That's the thing about religions, they don't actually explain why something might be right or wrong, it only commands you to do this or don't do that. That's why believers have such a hard time understanding how it's possible for non-believers to know right from wrong.

This is one of my biggest fear for some theists. If they think "Rape, murder, stealing etc is bad because God said it", then what could happen to said people if they have a faith crisis and concludes that their god doesn't exist? I don't actually know if these theists see some kind of intrinsic wrong in these crimes more than that their religion prohibits them. I've seen sometimes that they describe homosexual acts as wrong only because their god said, and refusing to give further explanations to WHY their god thinks this.
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4/2/2016 2:57:47 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Its all written down for them in their holy book. Obviates the need for thought on their part.
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4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.
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4/2/2016 4:34:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.
You already don't get it, try a little harder and study what it is that makes no sense and you can escape from the indoctrination.
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/2/2016 4:45:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:34:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.
You already don't get it, try a little harder and study what it is that makes no sense and you can escape from the indoctrination.

How does that relate to the forum, or what you are replying to?
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4/2/2016 4:50:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:45:19 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:34:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.
You already don't get it, try a little harder and study what it is that makes no sense and you can escape from the indoctrination.

How does that relate to the forum, or what you are replying to?

You're the one who threw the tangent. I was just playing your game until someone responded.
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/2/2016 4:56:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 4:50:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:45:19 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:34:19 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.
You already don't get it, try a little harder and study what it is that makes no sense and you can escape from the indoctrination.

How does that relate to the forum, or what you are replying to?

You're the one who threw the tangent. I was just playing your game until someone responded.

Oh okay, sorry if I wasted your time.
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4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM
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At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/2/2016 5:36:28 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.

Can't think? OK.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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4/2/2016 6:26:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 5:36:28 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.

Can't think? OK.

Never mind ras, one day you may earn how to think.
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4/2/2016 7:31:29 PM
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At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.

Exactly. Religion has no benefit to morality.
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4/2/2016 8:08:46 PM
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At 4/2/2016 7:31:29 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:30:17 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:22:49 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 4:21:36 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
The same way anyone else does.
And that is?

I don't know. Honestly that was kind of a stupid statement on my part because I'm sure different people do it differently, but my point is that being Christian just means you believe Jesus Christ is the Messiah, and do......whatever you want. The bible isn't controlling whatsoever. Its just there. How you react to it is on you.

Exactly. Religion has no benefit to morality.

Not necessarily. If the religion is immoral, then no, it has no benefit, unless the negative results teach you a lesson, but if someone has a morally based religion, and you come in contact with them inevitably they will have some change to your outlook on morality which in such a case came indirectly as a result of religion.

I'll put it other ways in some examples. You are educated on a religion, and your eyes are opened to morality that you previously never considered. Religion helped in this case in you knowing right from wrong, but it was still you that determined it.

In other cases perhaps, you blindly followed religious promises and practices to get some reward. There are no morals involved in this scenario, and religion did not contribute to your moral standing. You don't know right from wrong, even if you are abiding by the morals of your particular religion, so if you are acting as a moral human being, it is just by shear coincidence that your Sheppard was moral, and steered you in the right direction.

At the same time, if the Sheppard is immoral and one blindly follows through greed for a reward, immoral action is bound to follow. My conclusion was that Religion can benefit our moral standing, but only if we have an initial inclination to be moral. In other words, the two can have effect on each other but are not directly related unless the religion is truly based on morality, in which case only 1 set of morals are represented, good or bad, out of an infinite number possibilities. Religion is not the base of morality. Morality is not necessarily the base of religion. Knowing what is right and wrong is completely independent of religion, but can be influenced by religious practice and learning.
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4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.
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4/3/2016 5:19:04 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.

I want to know how my opposite thinks,
support your position on gun rights.
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4/3/2016 7:26:37 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2016 5:19:04 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.

I want to know how my opposite thinks,
support your position on gun rights.

What makes you randomly ask me about guns in the religion forum?
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4/3/2016 8:45:26 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2016 7:26:37 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/3/2016 5:19:04 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.

I want to know how my opposite thinks,
support your position on gun rights.

What makes you randomly ask me about guns in the religion forum?

I can't message you or post to your profile.
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4/3/2016 2:59:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 6:26:36 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:36:28 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.

Can't think? OK.

Never mind ras, one day you may earn how to think.

^ Typo as usual.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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4/3/2016 3:21:10 PM
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At 4/3/2016 2:59:19 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 6:26:36 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:36:28 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.

Can't think? OK.

Never mind ras, one day you may earn how to think.

^ Typo as usual.

Ain't you the clever dick, never to have made a typo?
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4/3/2016 3:22:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2016 3:21:10 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/3/2016 2:59:19 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 6:26:36 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:36:28 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:29:18 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:21:56 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Keep pondering and you may know.

Can't read? OK.

Can't think? OK.

Never mind ras, one day you may earn how to think.

^ Typo as usual.

Ain't you the clever dick, never to have made a typo?

Nope.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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4/3/2016 6:25:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says: He is always convinced that it says what he means.
George Bernard Shaw
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4/3/2016 8:56:35 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/3/2016 8:45:26 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:26:37 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/3/2016 5:19:04 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.

I want to know how my opposite thinks,
support your position on gun rights.

What makes you randomly ask me about guns in the religion forum?

I can't message you or post to your profile.

Fair enough, it just seems a bit of a random question. To be honest i dont really think about gun rights much. In the uk since 1953 people have needed licenses to possess firearms. Everyone here agrees that's a good idea so it's not really something we give much thought about. I don't see any advantages of allowing unrestricted gun ownership in the uk. I've never been to the USA but obviously you guys like to own and carry guns. To me it seems crazy and dangerous but it's your culture and tradition so it's not really for me to tell Americans what to do about your gun issue.

If you want my opinion, Considering you guys have so many guns and have such pride in owning and carrying them my suggestion would be to stop people with mental health problems and criminal convictions owning firearms.
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4/3/2016 9:43:09 PM
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At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

The Laws of Moses, the Ten and the Shema.
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4/4/2016 5:33:54 AM
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At 4/3/2016 8:56:35 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/3/2016 8:45:26 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/3/2016 7:26:37 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/3/2016 5:19:04 AM, The-Holy-Macrel wrote:
At 4/2/2016 10:04:54 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 12:11:09 PM, bulproof wrote:
They are told what is right and what is wrong by an infanticidal, genocidal, psychopathic megalomaniac.
What could go wrong?

Actually they are told what to do by 4th century Romans who combined four 1st century books that suited them out of about 40 about a legendary false prophet allegedly fulfilling prophecy in a religion devised by bronze age men who believed an infanticadal, genocidal, psychopathic, megalomaniac god created a flat earth floating in a cosmic ocean in 6 days 6, 000 years ago.

This is why they don't know right from wrong and oppose things like homosexual acts, gender reassignment surgery, contraception, abortion and assisted suicide for the terminally ill while supporting sexist discrimination.

I want to know how my opposite thinks,
support your position on gun rights.

What makes you randomly ask me about guns in the religion forum?

I can't message you or post to your profile.

Fair enough, it just seems a bit of a random question. To be honest i dont really think about gun rights much. In the uk since 1953 people have needed licenses to possess firearms. Everyone here agrees that's a good idea so it's not really something we give much thought about. I don't see any advantages of allowing unrestricted gun ownership in the uk. I've never been to the USA but obviously you guys like to own and carry guns. To me it seems crazy and dangerous but it's your culture and tradition so it's not really for me to tell Americans what to do about your gun issue.

If you want my opinion, Considering you guys have so many guns and have such pride in owning and carrying them my suggestion would be to stop people with mental health problems and criminal convictions owning firearms.

I incorrectly assumed you were american.

And yes, most of us do have pride in our freedom and guns.

Trump actually carries a gun.

It is like how the japanese value honor.

They actually valued honor more than life.

Patric Henry famously said "Give me liberty or give me death"

And then all the people who died for america,
in coming here and battling the british.

All for freedom.

Guns are also a part of this as it was put in place by them,
but now it is a part of real 'Murican culture.

The constitution is veiwed as our absolute rights as americans.

We take it seriously.

We love our freedom.

We love our guns.