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Chloe8
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4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
https://humanism.org.uk...
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/6/2016 1:30:18 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

Christianity is dying out in the uk

It will die out everywhere. Jesus told us it would.

This is why whenever some self-satisfied atheist burps the tired stats, we go "eh".

We leave the panic and excuses (and atheist celebrations) for those who do not know that Jesus told us 2,000 years ago that it would happen.

It's supposed to happen.
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4/6/2016 1:59:21 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 1:30:18 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

Christianity is dying out in the uk

It will die out everywhere. Jesus told us it would.

This is why whenever some self-satisfied atheist burps the tired stats, we go "eh".

We leave the panic and excuses (and atheist celebrations) for those who do not know that Jesus told us 2,000 years ago that it would happen.

It's supposed to happen.

Then why have Christians spend so much time and effort trying to convert people all around the world to Christianity if its supposed to die out?
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4/6/2016 2:06:17 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 1:59:21 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 4/6/2016 1:30:18 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

Christianity is dying out in the uk

It will die out everywhere. Jesus told us it would.

This is why whenever some self-satisfied atheist burps the tired stats, we go "eh".

We leave the panic and excuses (and atheist celebrations) for those who do not know that Jesus told us 2,000 years ago that it would happen.

It's supposed to happen.

Then why have Christians spend so much time and effort trying to convert people all around the world to Christianity if its supposed to die out?

Resurrection.
Chloe8
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4/6/2016 2:57:19 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 1:30:18 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

Christianity is dying out in the uk

It will die out everywhere. Jesus told us it would.

This is why whenever some self-satisfied atheist burps the tired stats, we go "eh".

We leave the panic and excuses (and atheist celebrations) for those who do not know that Jesus told us 2,000 years ago that it would happen.

It's supposed to happen.

Actually If you consider the whole world christianities followers are increasing. The increases are occurring in less developed countries with poor levels of education, low wages and high poverty levels and high birth rates. Meanwhile in developed nations with high levels of education, high wages, low poverty levels and low birth rates Christianity is decreasing.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.
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4/6/2016 5:39:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM, desmac wrote:
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.

Some people will likely believe it in a hundred years time but I'd be surprised if it's more than 10%.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/6/2016 8:57:57 PM
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Some people will likely believe it in a hundred years time but I'd be surprised if it's more than 10%.

In a hundred years time you'll be 120...by then I doubt you'd be surprised by anything!

I suppose that it is possible that the apparent resurgence in 'extreme religion' we see for example in Jihadism and some forms of American evangelicalism can be seen as religion fighting for survival. We tend to view Jihadism as anti-western, but Jihadist's principle targets are secularised or partially secularised Muslims. Figures are hard to come by but Muslim extremists have probably killed 10 or even 100 times as many Muslims than Westerners.

It seems unlikely that Christianity will turn to actual violence to survive the attack from secularism as Islam has, but it not going down without a fight! The ID/creationism v Darwinsm conflict can be seen as a 'war of ideas'. The religious faction in the US is just as determined to stamp out secularism as are the Jihadists - thankfully their methods are different (at least so far....).

I think - or hope - theistic religiosity will decline well below 10% long before a hundred years, although knocking on 60 I am unlikely to see it disappear. What I am likely to see is yet more religiously-inspired violence and polticking as religion gets ever more desperate to hang on by its fingernails.
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4/6/2016 9:17:38 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

False Christianity is dying.

True Christianity has been growing slowly though admittedly this year is the first year I have seen 0% growth, representing just 183 more publishers than 2014. That compares to an increase of 1.5% worldwide, the smallest I have ever seen.

The figures for Britain are:

Population 62,863,330
2015 Peak Publishers 137,631
Ratio 1 Publisher to 457
2015 Average Publisher 134,491
% Increase over 2014 0
2014 Average Publishers 134,308
2015 number baptised 2,286
Average - Auxilliary Pioneer Publishers 6,738
Average - Pioneer Publishers 13,063
Number of Congregations 1,605
Total hours in ministry 24,867,057
Average - Bible studies 60,066
Memorial Attendance 225,584

The reason that memorial attendance is so high is usually that they get disfellowshipped people, Bible studies and interested people turn up for that.

So, the rate of growth is slowing, but it is still upward albeit a slower growth than previous years, which usually average 2.5 - 3 % Worldwide.
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4/6/2016 9:25:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM, desmac wrote:
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.

The establishment have no choice really, false Christianity will simply shrink to a smaller and smaller "hardcore" but it won't die out until Jehovah steps in and destroys it and all who support it.

However it will almost certainly be a small hardcore by then because before all that happens the Governments will turn on religion at Satan's instigation (Revelation chapters 14 to 16). It may well start with a decree from the UN, (the image of the Wild Beast of Revelation).

The Governments final act will be turning on Jehovah's people, and that will bring about their destruction, finally.

IS or similar groups may well be the spark that starts that particular fire.
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4/6/2016 10:27:39 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 8:57:57 PM, keithprosser wrote:
Some people will likely believe it in a hundred years time but I'd be surprised if it's more than 10%.

In a hundred years time you'll be 120...by then I doubt you'd be surprised by anything!

I'd be surprised if I'm still alive!

I suppose that it is possible that the apparent resurgence in 'extreme religion' we see for example in Jihadism and some forms of American evangelicalism can be seen as religion fighting for survival. We tend to view Jihadism as anti-western, but Jihadist's principle targets are secularised or partially secularised Muslims. Figures are hard to come by but Muslim extremists have probably killed 10 or even 100 times as many Muslims than Westerners.

It seems unlikely that Christianity will turn to actual violence to survive the attack from secularism as Islam has, but it not going down without a fight! The ID/creationism v Darwinsm conflict can be seen as a 'war of ideas'. The religious faction in the US is just as determined to stamp out secularism as are the Jihadists - thankfully their methods are different (at least so far....).

I think - or hope - theistic religiosity will decline well below 10% long before a hundred years, although knocking on 60 I am unlikely to see it disappear. What I am likely to see is yet more religiously-inspired violence and polticking as religion gets ever more desperate to hang on by its fingernails.

Religion will put up a fight. It's demise in the USA will take longer but in the uk its already dying out. Some people will always believe it and I think expecting it to disappear overnight is unrealistic.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/6/2016 10:34:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 9:17:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

False Christianity is dying.

True Christianity has been growing slowly though admittedly this year is the first year I have seen 0% growth, representing just 183 more publishers than 2014. That compares to an increase of 1.5% worldwide, the smallest I have ever seen.

The figures for Britain are:

Population 62,863,330
2015 Peak Publishers 137,631
Ratio 1 Publisher to 457
2015 Average Publisher 134,491
% Increase over 2014 0
2014 Average Publishers 134,308
2015 number baptised 2,286
Average - Auxilliary Pioneer Publishers 6,738
Average - Pioneer Publishers 13,063
Number of Congregations 1,605
Total hours in ministry 24,867,057
Average - Bible studies 60,066
Memorial Attendance 225,584

The reason that memorial attendance is so high is usually that they get disfellowshipped people, Bible studies and interested people turn up for that.

So, the rate of growth is slowing, but it is still upward albeit a slower growth than previous years, which usually average 2.5 - 3 % Worldwide.

I agree the Jehovah's witness sect of Christianity is growing in the uk. My point here was showing that collectively Christianity is dying out in the uk. I know you argue that other sects are not true Christianity but that's not my point here, my point is less uk citizens are calling themselves Christians or believing it's teachings.
"I don't need experience.to knock you out. I'm a man. that's all I need to beat you and any woman."

Fatihah, in his delusion that he could knock out any woman while bragging about being able to knock me out. An example of 7th century Islamic thinking inspired by his hero the paedophile Muhammad.
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4/7/2016 12:16:58 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
I think its hard to be surprised when you're dead, but let's not dwell on that!

I'm now UK based after several years working in Africa and I have noticed a marked increase in people who freely say they are non-believers since I was last here. That is the good news.

On the down side I have also noticed is that there are now a lot of 'Churches' operated by - I presume - self-appointed 'Bishops' and 'Pastors' seemingly catering primarily for the Afro-Caribbean community. There are at least 3 such churches not more than a 400 yards from where I live (sunny Croydon!). Certainly the staid nature of traditional church services here would not be attractive to people more used to the heady evangelical atmosphere of African Pentecostalism. It would be interesting to see a break-down of the figures on ethnic lines.

Such 'private' churches pose the additional problem that they are sometimes - perhaps often - no more than money making machines for the head man and take unfair advantage of their members' unsophisticated faith to exploit them - a 'business model' that is rife in Africa. Of course something similar occurs in the US, but I don't care too mcu about Americans - but I do care about Africans!

It is worth mentioning that American televangelicals like Benny Hinn and Jim Bakker are superstars in much of Africa and fill football stadia many times over and have the ears of presidents. For instance it seems certain that the recent spate of anti-homosexual legislation in Africa was not home grown but inspired by the American religious right and televangelicals. It seems any ground they might lose at home right-wing Christians want to make up overseas.

There really is a war going on between religon and secularism. That war takes many forms but it is happening.
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4/7/2016 1:15:22 AM
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At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

2 Thessalonians 2:3
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/7/2016 1:15:47 AM
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Don't be fooled by what they say. For that day will not come until there is a great rebellion against God and the man of lawlessness is revealed--the one who brings destruction.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:21:18 AM
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The Antichrist 101-

"Then he will stretch out his hand against other countries, and the land of Egypt will not escape."
(Daniel 11:42)

"He will gain control of Egypt, with LIBYA and the Land of CUSH in submission to his power."
(Daniel 11:43)

*

The end of Hosni Mubarak as ruler of Egypt.

http://youtu.be...

There was shock over Obama's betrayal of Mubarak.

http://mobile.reuters.com...

The Obama intervention in Libya took down Libyan dictator Muammar al-Qaddafi "in the name of peace."

https://www.foreignaffairs.com...

Qaddafi's last moments alive captured on film below:

http://youtu.be...

*

Cush would be? North Africa.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...(Bible)

Obama came in to take control of the situation in Sudan to enforce "peace".

http://m.huffpost.com...

Obama came with warnings to North African dictators. In the speech he said he looked forward to life after being President.

http://youtu.be...

So, what does he plan on doing after being President? He plans on leading the U.N.

http://www.breitbart.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:28:25 AM
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Barack Obama's Nickname: Renegade

Renegade in dictionary: Lawless one

The Bible calls the Antichrist,"The Lawless one".

The Bible says "By peace he will destroy many"

-Nobel Peace Prize

-Pullout of Iraq, ISIS takeover
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/7/2016 1:29:46 AM
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At 4/6/2016 1:59:21 PM, Canuck wrote:
At 4/6/2016 1:30:18 PM, ethang5 wrote:
At 4/2/2016 5:24:44 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
https://humanism.org.uk...

Christianity is dying out in the uk

It will die out everywhere. Jesus told us it would.

This is why whenever some self-satisfied atheist burps the tired stats, we go "eh".

We leave the panic and excuses (and atheist celebrations) for those who do not know that Jesus told us 2,000 years ago that it would happen.

It's supposed to happen.

Then why have Christians spend so much time and effort trying to convert people all around the world to Christianity if its supposed to die out?

Because we love those people. God chooses the times, not us.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:32:31 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 5:39:05 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM, desmac wrote:
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.

Some people will likely believe it in a hundred years time but I'd be surprised if it's more than 10%.

I'll take that bet. I'm going with 100% in 100 years.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:33:37 AM
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At 4/6/2016 9:25:44 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM, desmac wrote:
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.

The establishment have no choice really, false Christianity will simply shrink to a smaller and smaller "hardcore" but it won't die out until Jehovah steps in and destroys it and all who support it.

However it will almost certainly be a small hardcore by then because before all that happens the Governments will turn on religion at Satan's instigation (Revelation chapters 14 to 16). It may well start with a decree from the UN, (the image of the Wild Beast of Revelation).

The Governments final act will be turning on Jehovah's people, and that will bring about their destruction, finally.

IS or similar groups may well be the spark that starts that particular fire.

You were prophesied as well.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:34:38 AM
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Bronty is telling us that a mass loss of faith is one of the signs that Jesus' second coming is imminent. Of course this occasion will pass and a new set of random current events will be presented as the signs in a few months or weeks. That game has been going on for 2000 years and they haven't got it right yet.
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4/7/2016 1:37:12 AM
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I'll take that bet. I'm going with 100% in 100 years.
I'll hold the stakes. The winner can collect in 2116.
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4/7/2016 1:38:14 AM
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At 4/6/2016 9:25:44 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/6/2016 3:04:17 PM, desmac wrote:
Unfortunately, the establishment will not allow christianity to die out in the UK, acountry where the head of state is automatically godbotherer in chief of the Church of England and the guys in long dresses and pointy hats get automatic seats in the upper house of Parliament.

The establishment have no choice really, false Christianity will simply shrink to a smaller and smaller "hardcore" but it won't die out until Jehovah steps in and destroys it and all who support it.

However it will almost certainly be a small hardcore by then because before all that happens the Governments will turn on religion at Satan's instigation (Revelation chapters 14 to 16). It may well start with a decree from the UN, (the image of the Wild Beast of Revelation).

The Governments final act will be turning on Jehovah's people, and that will bring about their destruction, finally.

IS or similar groups may well be the spark that starts that particular fire.

Non JW Christianity stood for almost 2,000 years. You serve a false cult that was prophesied repeatedly. To deny the omnipoteant divinity of Christ is the most damnable of blasphemy. It is to reject God by definition. Don't trust a doctrine that didn't exist for 2,000 years.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/7/2016 1:40:47 AM
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Luke 10:18

Yes," he told them, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning."

Lightning in Hebrew is Barack
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4/7/2016 1:43:07 AM
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For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
(Matthew 24:27)

For as Barack that comes from the east is visible in the west...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/7/2016 1:45:23 AM
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Hebrew: Lightning

http://biblehub.com...
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4/7/2016 1:49:04 AM
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"Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a foreign god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory."
(Daniel 11:39)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/7/2016 1:50:50 AM
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Obama praises Islam

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4/7/2016 1:52:46 AM
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Obama's ring, Shahada. "There is no god but Allah."

http://mobile.wnd.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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