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Freeman
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11/20/2010 12:20:06 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Material objects are made of atoms. And immaterial objects like God are made of..... what exactly? Seriously, what kind of stuff is God made of?
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11/20/2010 1:12:14 AM
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At 11/20/2010 1:08:29 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
God is spirit.- Spirit doesn't have "Matter"

You're just stating the obvious. He wants to know what "spirit" is made of.
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11/20/2010 1:40:48 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 1:12:14 AM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 11/20/2010 1:08:29 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
God is spirit.- Spirit doesn't have "Matter"

You're just stating the obvious. He wants to know what "spirit" is made of.

"Obvious".. tell that to the Mormons who believe "he has a body as tangible as ours", I agree it is obvious to some.
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11/20/2010 3:50:33 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 12:20:06 AM, Freeman wrote:
Material objects are made of atoms. And immaterial objects like God are made of..... what exactly? Seriously, what kind of stuff is God made of?

XD You can always ask him
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11/20/2010 7:29:57 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
God is made of moonbeams and flowers.
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11/20/2010 8:11:49 AM
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At 11/20/2010 12:20:06 AM, Freeman wrote:
Material objects are made of atoms. And immaterial objects like God are made of..... what exactly? Seriously, what kind of stuff is God made of?

He isn't "made up" (as in constituted by parts) of anything. That's the whole point.
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11/20/2010 8:19:34 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 12:51:27 AM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Peter van Inwagen is a materialist Christian. I couldn't find any articles where he explains his position, though.

There's a couple I know of: Derek Pereboone, Trenton Merricks, Lynne Rudder Baker, Glenn Peoples, and of course, Peter Van Inwagen. I believe they are only materialists about humans or beings relevantly like us (if there are some type of aliens) and the lower species of animals. They are not global materialists.
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Freeman
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11/20/2010 11:52:03 AM
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At 11/20/2010 8:11:49 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/20/2010 12:20:06 AM, Freeman wrote:
Material objects are made of atoms. And immaterial objects like God are made of..... what exactly? Seriously, what kind of stuff is God made of?

He isn't "made up" (as in constituted by parts) of anything. That's the whole point.

God has to be made of something. I'm not saying that there has to be multiple parts.
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11/20/2010 11:57:26 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
Catholics believe he's made of wafers and red wine.
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11/20/2010 12:03:06 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 11:52:03 AM, Freeman wrote:
At 11/20/2010 8:11:49 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/20/2010 12:20:06 AM, Freeman wrote:
Material objects are made of atoms. And immaterial objects like God are made of..... what exactly? Seriously, what kind of stuff is God made of?

He isn't "made up" (as in constituted by parts) of anything. That's the whole point.

God has to be made of something. I'm not saying that there has to be multiple parts.

What if God created the idea of something has to be made of something. However like i said, you can always ask him :D
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11/20/2010 12:54:58 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 11:52:03 AM, Freeman wrote:

God has to be made of something. I'm not saying that there has to be multiple parts.

What are properties made up of? How about states of affairs? The laws of logic? Numbers? Objective morals?

We just say he's a immaterial substance - but it makes no sense to say he's made of the immaterial. What is that even supposed to mean?
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11/20/2010 12:57:44 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 12:54:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/20/2010 11:52:03 AM, Freeman wrote:

God has to be made of something. I'm not saying that there has to be multiple parts.

What are properties made up of? How about states of affairs? The laws of logic? Numbers? Objective morals?

We just say he's a immaterial substance - but it makes no sense to say he's made of the immaterial. What is that even supposed to mean?

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11/20/2010 1:25:18 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 1:23:36 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
I hope you're speaking metaphorically.
In one sense - I am not aware of Allah's (God's) entire being, but light is one attribute.
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11/20/2010 1:27:33 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 1:25:18 PM, Mirza wrote:
In one sense - I am not aware of Allah's (God's) entire being, but light is one attribute.

Light is physical -- it's a wave of electromagnetic radiation.
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11/20/2010 1:31:10 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 1:27:33 PM, J.Kenyon wrote:
Light is physical -- it's a wave of electromagnetic radiation.
Yes. Again, all attributes are not known, nor the way light applies as an attribute, except that it is one of them.
Freeman
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11/20/2010 10:06:31 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 12:54:58 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/20/2010 11:52:03 AM, Freeman wrote:

God has to be made of something. I'm not saying that there has to be multiple parts.

What are properties made up of? How about states of affairs? The laws of logic? Numbers? Objective morals?

We just say he's a immaterial substance - but it makes no sense to say he's made of the immaterial. What is that even supposed to mean?

Are you saying that God is like an intangible mental abstraction that only exists in the mind? Wait a second! I think I might actually be a theist. ;)
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11/21/2010 9:09:42 AM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/20/2010 10:06:31 PM, Freeman wrote:

Are you saying that God is like an intangible mental abstraction that only exists in the mind? Wait a second! I think I might actually be a theist. ;)

No. And if you think the rest of those things are merely mental abstractions then I'd suggest you have serious contradictions in your metaphysics. Aren't you a non-reductive, functionalist, physicalist? Aren't you a moral realist? Aren't you a metaphysical/scientific realist? Good luck with trying to square that with a conceptualist view (minus God) about immaterial objects.
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11/21/2010 11:48:55 AM
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At 11/21/2010 9:09:42 AM, popculturepooka wrote:
At 11/20/2010 10:06:31 PM, Freeman wrote:

Are you saying that God is like an intangible mental abstraction that only exists in the mind? Wait a second! I think I might actually be a theist. ;)

No. And if you think the rest of those things are merely mental abstractions then I'd suggest you have serious contradictions in your metaphysics. Aren't you a non-reductive, functionalist, physicalist? Aren't you a moral realist? Aren't you a metaphysical/scientific realist? Good luck with trying to square that with a conceptualist view (minus God) about immaterial objects.

I don't think that they are. I just wasn't sure what your position was. And as far as moral realism is concerned, I'm not a non-reductive moral realist. I think that moral facts can be reduced to scientific facts. By my lights, it's completely nonsensical to talk about "moral facts" in a universe that doesn't have any conscious minds. What would those "facts" even be about?
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Freeman
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11/21/2010 9:20:53 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 11/21/2010 8:18:33 PM, popculturepooka wrote:
Freeman, have you heard of Gilbert Harman's problem with ethics?

I'm only vaguely familiar with his work. I can't say that I have heard of his problem with ethics.
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11/24/2010 3:53:57 AM
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At 11/20/2010 1:08:29 AM, the-good-teacher wrote:
God is spirit.- Spirit doesn't have "Matter"

If Spirit is a fact, it must be substantial or otherwise not exist - even hallucinations must have substance or not exist to the mind.