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4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM
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Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.
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4/6/2016 7:47:42 AM
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At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

Believe it or not, some atheists are actually female.
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4/6/2016 8:22:35 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

Of course it makes sense. If you are getting married you should sensibly live with your partner for a few years first in order to ascertain if you are suited. Sex is such a big part of a relationship, especially in the early years, you should discover if you both have the same needs. He might want intercourse once a week, she might demand it three times a day and six at the weekends, LOL!
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4/6/2016 8:47:00 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

I speak for all atheists, but I don't beleive in marriage, or at least not how it's structured nowadays. There is no point to it, except religiously. Also, virginity's worth is entirely arbitrary.
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4/6/2016 8:50:34 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 8:47:00 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

I speak for all atheists, but I don't beleive in marriage, or at least not how it's structured nowadays. There is no point to it, except religiously. Also, virginity's worth is entirely arbitrary.

lol, I meant to say I DON'T speak for all atheists,
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/6/2016 9:39:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage
People of any faith or none can choose to make a lifelong commitment to one another, and have that recognised in the community as well as by law.

When people make such commitments, whether privately or publicly, I think it worthy of respect, because of the challenge, and because of the good such commitments can produce.

Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.
The status of a hymen is unrelated to sexual fidelity, is only incidentally related to sexual activity, and has nothing to do with building an effective, functional, resilient and nourishing relationship with one another.
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4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM
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RuvDraba,

You seem to be an atheist, married man who loves his wife.

Was your wife virgin at the time of marriage?
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4/6/2016 10:37:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 9:06:29 AM, UUU wrote:
desmac,

At what age did you lose virginity?

I think you may be on the wrong forum, UUU.
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4/6/2016 10:47:38 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 9:06:29 AM, UUU wrote:
desmac,

At what age did you lose virginity?

God watched me , ask him
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4/6/2016 10:49:14 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:47:42 AM, desmac wrote:
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

Believe it or not, some atheists are actually female.

Lol, good point.
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4/6/2016 10:53:32 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
RuvDraba,

You seem to be an atheist, married man who loves his wife.

Was your wife virgin at the time of marriage?
Why are you pusies so obsessed with a piece of skin?
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4/6/2016 11:19:12 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:47:42 AM, desmac wrote:
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

Believe it or not, some atheists are actually female.

60 year old fine ass_females..
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
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4/6/2016 11:23:20 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 10:53:32 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
RuvDraba,

You seem to be an atheist, married man who loves his wife.

Was your wife virgin at the time of marriage?
Why are you pusies so obsessed with a piece of skin?

'Uncircumcised dicks_are the best', your mom told me.
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4/6/2016 11:31:17 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 10:37:45 AM, desmac wrote:
At 4/6/2016 9:06:29 AM, UUU wrote:
desmac,

At what age did you lose virginity?

I think you may be on the wrong forum, UUU.

He doesn't know that you have a website dedicated to this stuff.
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4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
You seem to be an atheist, married man who loves his wife.
Yes, that's a fair statement.

Was your wife virgin at the time of marriage?
Neither of us was. But historically, among English-speaking countries, the question you're asking is influenced more by cultural custom than religious identitification.

You might be interested to know for example, that in 1700s America -- a place that largely identified as 'Puritan' Christian -- young unmarried people would sleep in the same bed under their parents' roofs with their parents' permission -- often wearing just their undergarments. During this period, some 30-40% of women were pregnant when married. [http://maghis.oxfordjournals.org...]

Similar can be found in the UK. Until 1753, when the Hardwicke Marriage Act required all marriages to occur in the local parish church [https://en.wikipedia.org...], couples lived and slept together after their betrothal. and it was acceptable for the bride to be pregnant at the nuptial ceremony (with nuptial pregnancy rates around 20% in the Renaissance, up to around 40% in the 18th century. [http://news.bbc.co.uk...]) It was only during the Victorian era that virginity at marriage became expected, and nuptial pregnancy rates dropped to 20% -- so still a significant exception to a largely mythical 'rule'. In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.

So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
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4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:

In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.

So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.

Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage? That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
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4/6/2016 10:57:22 PM
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At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

I couldn't care less about marriage and I couldn't care less if a man is a virgin or not. Those are not the things that create a happy loving relationship.
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4/6/2016 11:09:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 7:45:52 AM, UUU wrote:
Do atheists believe in marriage and if yes, why? Does it make sense to them if the girl has lost her virginity before marriage.

Personally, I think a contract that binds you to another person can be counter productive to long term commitments because it can give the illusion of control and ownership. If you try to be someone that another person wants to be with and you like being with the other person, why would you leave? If either of you are difficult to be with and unhappy, why would you stay?

The virginity issue is about control and ownership.
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4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.
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4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
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4/7/2016 1:45:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
You're 20yrs old which means your knowledge of this subject is about 5yrs.
Please don't argue with people who actually have KNOWLEDGE. You look and are fuc*in' stupid.
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4/7/2016 3:19:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 1:45:50 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
You're 20yrs old which means your knowledge of this subject is about 5yrs.

My age is unknown.

My knowledge spans approximately 7 years, since I had part time labor at my high school in college, but out of those 7 years I used only 5 in calculations due to a few unaccounted 19 year olds.

Please don't argue with people who actually have KNOWLEDGE. You look and are fuc*in' stupid.
I look stupid?
No one is arguing. I lived in a small town. Its not that hard to take the number of births divided by a sample population, and manipulate to terms of XX in 1000 according to population size. I placed a fairly large factor of safety on my calculations out of habit to boost the number up to a nice round 5 in 1000, but in reality it is lower, whether I made any mistakes or not. I presented an average number over 5 years. It is not a stable pattern.

Actually why am I explaining this to you? Even if I was over 100% off (which is impossible) we would still be less then half the national average.

I'm just pointing out how much it varies. The ladies had VERY protective fathers. I don't know if that is universal or not, but it sure was when I was growing up. I don't get to experience it from a teen perspective anymore, and I don't get to know my neighborhood when I live in cities so I wouldn't really know how that goes. I've got no way of saying anything about virginity, but making babies was pretty aggressively discouraged by parents of girls in general. As for 19 year olds. I guess it got hammered into them growing up, because you were more likely to have kids in high school.
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4/7/2016 3:27:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 3:19:03 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:45:50 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
You're 20yrs old which means your knowledge of this subject is about 5yrs.

My age is unknown.
According to your profile you are 20yrs, am I to assume you are a liar and disregard anything you right?
My knowledge spans approximately 7 years, since I had part time labor at my high school in college, but out of those 7 years I used only 5 in calculations due to a few unaccounted 19 year olds.
Does that actually mean something in the world you live in? It's gibberish.
Please don't argue with people who actually have KNOWLEDGE. You look and are fuc*in' stupid.
I look stupid?
No one is arguing. I lived in a small town. Its not that hard to take the number of births divided by a sample population, and manipulate to terms of XX in 1000 according to population size. I placed a fairly large factor of safety on my calculations out of habit to boost the number up to a nice round 5 in 1000, but in reality it is lower, whether I made any mistakes or not. I presented an average number over 5 years. It is not a stable pattern.

Actually why am I explaining this to you? Even if I was over 100% off (which is impossible) we would still be less then half the national average.

I'm just pointing out how much it varies. The ladies had VERY protective fathers. I don't know if that is universal or not, but it sure was when I was growing up. I don't get to experience it from a teen perspective anymore, and I don't get to know my neighborhood when I live in cities so I wouldn't really know how that goes. I've got no way of saying anything about virginity, but making babies was pretty aggressively discouraged by parents of girls in general. As for 19 year olds. I guess it got hammered into them growing up, because you were more likely to have kids in high school.
You are a blithering idiot.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/7/2016 3:29:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 3:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 3:19:03 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:45:50 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
You're 20yrs old which means your knowledge of this subject is about 5yrs.

My age is unknown.
According to your profile you are 20yrs, am I to assume you are a liar and disregard anything you right?
My knowledge spans approximately 7 years, since I had part time labor at my high school in college, but out of those 7 years I used only 5 in calculations due to a few unaccounted 19 year olds.
Does that actually mean something in the world you live in? It's gibberish.
Please don't argue with people who actually have KNOWLEDGE. You look and are fuc*in' stupid.
I look stupid?
No one is arguing. I lived in a small town. Its not that hard to take the number of births divided by a sample population, and manipulate to terms of XX in 1000 according to population size. I placed a fairly large factor of safety on my calculations out of habit to boost the number up to a nice round 5 in 1000, but in reality it is lower, whether I made any mistakes or not. I presented an average number over 5 years. It is not a stable pattern.

Actually why am I explaining this to you? Even if I was over 100% off (which is impossible) we would still be less then half the national average.

I'm just pointing out how much it varies. The ladies had VERY protective fathers. I don't know if that is universal or not, but it sure was when I was growing up. I don't get to experience it from a teen perspective anymore, and I don't get to know my neighborhood when I live in cities so I wouldn't really know how that goes. I've got no way of saying anything about virginity, but making babies was pretty aggressively discouraged by parents of girls in general. As for 19 year olds. I guess it got hammered into them growing up, because you were more likely to have kids in high school.
You are a blithering idiot.

Could you explain my flaws in a productive manner?
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4/7/2016 3:42:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 3:27:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 3:19:03 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:45:50 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/7/2016 1:33:28 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/7/2016 12:32:45 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:42:22 PM, Quadrunner wrote:
At 4/6/2016 6:21:14 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/6/2016 10:07:36 AM, UUU wrote:
In Britain, births outside marriage are now around 47.6%, and only 13% find premarital sex unacceptable.
So there's a lot of false mythology about pre-marital sex in English-speaking countries.
Did you mean to to say conception outside of marriage?
The stats are for live births where the mother's status is unmarried, which, excluding a small number of widows and pregnant divorcees, is probably almost all pre-marital conception

That seems like a really high percentage to me, but I'm not British.
Source is Eurostats: [http://ec.europa.eu...] The numbers are ordinary for Europe and low for Scandanavia, where births to unwed mothers can be in the majority. To find low non-marital birth rates you need to look to Greece or Cyprus (both trending toward 8% from earlier this century.) Even Roman Catholic Italy is nudging 30%.

But that's also about the same as US: 40%+ US births are to unmarried women (source: CDC [http://www.cdc.gov...]) In Canada, it was 30% and rising seven years ago [http://www.ctvnews.ca...]. In Australia it's about the same [http://www.theaustralian.com.au...]

At those rates, talk of legitimate/illegitimate children and premarital virginity is pretty much now an artefact of the Victorian era -- where as I pointed out earlier, it was really started anyway.

Huh, I don't think the rates were near that where I lived most of my life in the country. In the cities they were a lot higher though. I would have guessed the rates for the US would be no more then half of that just by observation. That was a big surprise.

I know that our 15-19 year olds were safely under 5 births per 1000 people a year where I was raised, which means we were way below the national average of around 24-25 teens per year in at least that regard.
You're 20yrs old which means your knowledge of this subject is about 5yrs.

My age is unknown.
According to your profile you are 20yrs, am I to assume you are a liar and disregard anything you right?
Yup. Its not even worth replying to me.
My knowledge spans approximately 7 years, since I had part time labor at my high school in college, but out of those 7 years I used only 5 in calculations due to a few unaccounted 19 year olds.
Does that actually mean something in the world you live in? It's gibberish.

It means I had 7 years of data, with 5 years of accurate data, which was apparently important to you.

Please don't argue with people who actually have KNOWLEDGE. You look and are fuc*in' stupid.
I look stupid?
No one is arguing. I lived in a small town. Its not that hard to take the number of births divided by a sample population, and manipulate to terms of XX in 1000 according to population size. I placed a fairly large factor of safety on my calculations out of habit to boost the number up to a nice round 5 in 1000, but in reality it is lower, whether I made any mistakes or not. I presented an average number over 5 years. It is not a stable pattern.

Actually why am I explaining this to you? Even if I was over 100% off (which is impossible) we would still be less then half the national average.

I'm just pointing out how much it varies. The ladies had VERY protective fathers. I don't know if that is universal or not, but it sure was when I was growing up. I don't get to experience it from a teen perspective anymore, and I don't get to know my neighborhood when I live in cities so I wouldn't really know how that goes. I've got no way of saying anything about virginity, but making babies was pretty aggressively discouraged by parents of girls in general. As for 19 year olds. I guess it got hammered into them growing up, because you were more likely to have kids in high school.
You are a blithering idiot.

Leave me alone.
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