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4/7/2016 3:15:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
(Excerpt from message of Shri Datta Swami)

The path of Hanuman to please the Lord was simply service to the Lord. He never praised the Lord through bhajans. He never chanted the name of Rama using the string of prayer-beads. He never did any penance or other forms of worship. All these are theoretical tricks to cheat the Lord. Service alone is the real path to please the Lord. Hanuman sacrificed even married life and even left His parents in search of the Lord in human form. If you were in the place of Hanuman you would certainly think like this, "How foolish I am! Rama is craving for His wife and is not worried about the welfare of this world. If He gets His wife back, He will leave Ravana free and allow him to continue his mischief to the society. If His wife is so dear to Him, why should I remain unmarried?"

Even Hanuman"s mother Anjani should have advised Hanuman similarly. Instead she encouraged Hanuman to seek and serve the Lord. This means that after recognizing the Lord in human form, logic should stop. You have to use the torch-light on the way only; not after reaching home. Similarly you have to use all the logic to recognize the human incarnation, because several false human beings also claim to be human incarnations. However once you have reached the Lord, your ultimate aim should only be to please the Lord and not to analyze the Lord.

The Lord knows how and when to uplift humanity. His ways are beyond your logic and imagination. You do not know your own welfare and you cannot uplift even yourself. Welfare of the society is the outlook of the Lord. Hanuman was working with King Sugriva as his prime minister. Vali forcibly took the wife of Sugriva, called Ruma. Hanuman could have killed Vali just by one stroke. But he did not do so. The same happened in the case of Rama. The wife of Rama was imprisoned by Ravana. The case was exactly the same as that of Sugriva. Hanuman did all his best in the case of Rama but never did anything for Sugriva. Sugriva represents the society. Hanuman could have killed even Ravana for the welfare of the society. But he waited till the Lord came so that the Lord could give the punishment Himself. You can punish any human being only by the Lord"s instruction. The Lord alone is the final judge and without His judgment, the punishment cannot be executed by any human being. Therefore, Hanuman waited for the Lord to punish Vali and Ravana.

Your duty is only to serve the Lord and you should not differentiate between personal service of the human incarnation and the service [in His mission] for the society. You have to act according to His wish and pleasure only. He will test your faith by exhibiting Maya. Therefore, Ramayana gives the essence of spiritual knowledge regarding important points like the recognition of the human incarnation, position of miracles, path to please the Lord in human form, personal service and service to the society etc. Only if you take these divine aspects, will you be benefited by Ramayana.

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4/7/2016 3:34:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
It (Gita) also says that if one worships the inert statue (idol), he will be born as a stone (Bhutejya yanti Bhutani).

dattaswami,

where is it written in Gita?
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4/7/2016 4:43:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Gita 9-25

The Gita says that if you catch any item of the creation, you have caught only that item of creation but not the creator (Bhutejya yanti"). The the Gita says in the same verse that if you catch Krishna, you can catch God because God exists in Krishna. Krishna means the present human incarnation, which is a human incarnation present in your human generation. If the word Krishna stood only for a past human incarnation, then in case of Arjuna to whom the Gita was preached, the existing Krishna should not have been God. Only the past incarnation Rama, should have been mentioned as God for Arjuna. Similarly, Hanuman should have worshipped some past human incarnation like Vamana or Parashurama in his time and he should not have worshipped Rama, who was the present human incarnation.

The Lord says that people who worship inert objects will be born as inert objects and people who worship the human incarnation will be born as human beings (Bhutejyah"Yanti Mat Yajanah"Gita). This does not mean that one should not worship statues at the primary level. It means that one should not limit oneself to worshipping only statues throughout one"s lifetime.

The form of the statue indicates the human form alone. With the help of the finger of a person [pointed in a certain direction] you see a flower. The finger is useful in the beginning but once the flower is seen, there is no need of the finger. The worship of statues, which are in human form, is only a training to reduce the repulsion towards the human form of the Lord.

Krishna stopped the sacrifice for the deity Indra. He also asked the wives of the sages to give Him the food that was prepared to be offered into the fire altar. This shows that He was not for burning ghee (clarified butter) and food in the fire. He told them that He was hungry and ate the food that was to be sacrificed. By this He showed them how the real sacrifice is to be done. The fire of hunger is the deity Vaishvanara to whom the food should be sacrificed (Aham Vaishwanaro Bhutva"Gita).

At 4/7/2016 3:34:37 PM, UUU wrote:
dattaswami,
where is it written in Gita?
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4/7/2016 4:49:02 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 4:43:41 PM, dattaswami wrote:
Gita 9-25

The Gita says that if you catch any item of the creation, you have caught only that item of creation but not the creator (Bhutejya yanti"). The the Gita says in the same verse that if you catch Krishna, you can catch God because God exists in Krishna. Krishna means the present human incarnation, which is a human incarnation present in your human generation. If the word Krishna stood only for a past human incarnation, then in case of Arjuna to whom the Gita was preached, the existing Krishna should not have been God. Only the past incarnation Rama, should have been mentioned as God for Arjuna. Similarly, Hanuman should have worshipped some past human incarnation like Vamana or Parashurama in his time and he should not have worshipped Rama, who was the present human incarnation.

The Lord says that people who worship inert objects will be born as inert objects and people who worship the human incarnation will be born as human beings (Bhutejyah"Yanti Mat Yajanah"Gita). This does not mean that one should not worship statues at the primary level. It means that one should not limit oneself to worshipping only statues throughout one"s lifetime.

The form of the statue indicates the human form alone. With the help of the finger of a person [pointed in a certain direction] you see a flower. The finger is useful in the beginning but once the flower is seen, there is no need of the finger. The worship of statues, which are in human form, is only a training to reduce the repulsion towards the human form of the Lord.

Krishna stopped the sacrifice for the deity Indra. He also asked the wives of the sages to give Him the food that was prepared to be offered into the fire altar. This shows that He was not for burning ghee (clarified butter) and food in the fire. He told them that He was hungry and ate the food that was to be sacrificed. By this He showed them how the real sacrifice is to be done. The fire of hunger is the deity Vaishvanara to whom the food should be sacrificed (Aham Vaishwanaro Bhutva"Gita).




At 4/7/2016 3:34:37 PM, UUU wrote:
dattaswami,
where is it written in Gita?

You speak moo poo.
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4/7/2016 5:45:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
dattaswami,

Take a second opinion.

Your perception is flawed. Translation aside, you've interpreted Gita as per your own understanding.

This isn't Gita.
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4/7/2016 7:38:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 5:45:51 PM, UUU wrote:
dattaswami,

Take a second opinion.

Your perception is flawed. Translation aside, you've interpreted Gita as per your own understanding.

This isn't Gita.

Hanuman is a monkey.
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4/7/2016 7:49:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 7:38:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/7/2016 5:45:51 PM, UUU wrote:
dattaswami,

Take a second opinion.

Your perception is flawed. Translation aside, you've interpreted Gita as per your own understanding.

This isn't Gita.

Hanuman is a monkey.

He is a Vanar , Intelligent Forest Men as per Ramayan and a Specie of Intelligent Monkey as per Ramcharitra Manas . As per Mythology , His appearance coincides with the timeline when Neanderthals and other ape like Humans were living .
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4/8/2016 4:46:53 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/7/2016 7:38:05 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/7/2016 5:45:51 PM, UUU wrote:
dattaswami,

Take a second opinion.

Your perception is flawed. Translation aside, you've interpreted Gita as per your own understanding.

This isn't Gita.

' Hanuman is a monkey',

guessed a savage.
(This is not a goodbye message. I may or may not come back after ten years.)
dattaswami
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4/8/2016 4:56:14 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Hanuman, the greatest" (Message of Shri Datta Swami)

Hanuman studied all the Vedas and Shastras. He studied nine grammars from Sun. Nobody in creation can be equal to Hanuman in this scholastic ability of scriptures. We do not have one-millionth knowledge of Hanuman.

The most important essence of the life history of Hanuman is meeting Rama, who was the then human incarnation of His generation. Hanuman was waiting to meet the human incarnation on the instruction of His mother and several sages. Hanuman has all the capacity to jump to the upper worlds and go to Brahma Loka or Vaikuntha or Kailasha to see Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. In fact in the war, He went to Vaikuntha and brought down Garuda.

Even in His childhood all the angels appeared before Him and gave boons. Then Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva, Indra etc. appeared. In such case why He was so anxious about the human form of the Lord? He has seen all the energetic forms of the Lord like Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva.

At 4/7/2016 7:38:05 PM, desmac wrote:
Hanuman is a monkey.