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4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.
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4/9/2016 3:36:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Your christianity means accepting lies you don't believe in fear of disfellowship.
In your cult dishonesty rules, as you've been shown often.
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4/9/2016 3:41:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

It was united. Then the watchtower and The Book of Mormon appeared from nowhere as prophesied in the Bible.
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4/9/2016 3:55:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?

Changes made from original teaching and the year they were made.

Original teaching

Since 1927

Since 1951

Since 1995

Since 2008

Current teaching - since 2010

Who are the Generation

If the JW cannot even get right 'this generation' and demonstrated their buffoonery over 6 different attempts. They have discredited their authorship and authority on scriptures.

Tbe JW members have the highest levels of mental illness and suicide rates are 5-10 times higher than other groups.
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4/9/2016 4:00:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 3:41:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

It was united. Then the watchtower and The Book of Mormon appeared from nowhere as prophesied in the Bible.

I agree that it WAS united, but your timeline is wrong. Martin Luther began a massive break about 500 years ago.
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4/9/2016 4:02:04 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 4:00:33 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:41:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

It was united. Then the watchtower and The Book of Mormon appeared from nowhere as prophesied in the Bible.


I agree that it WAS united, but your timeline is wrong. Martin Luther began a massive break about 500 years ago.

True. Do you consider Martin Luther false?
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4/9/2016 4:11:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 4:02:04 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:00:33 PM, dsjpk5 wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:41:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

It was united. Then the watchtower and The Book of Mormon appeared from nowhere as prophesied in the Bible.


I agree that it WAS united, but your timeline is wrong. Martin Luther began a massive break about 500 years ago.

True. Do you consider Martin Luther false?

False? I'm not sure if I'd call him "false". Having said that, as a Catholic, I find his main theological theories (Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide) to be unbiblical. I don't deny everything he taught, however. I agree with him that infants should be baptized, that baptism regenerates, and that Mary was a virgin her whole life, and was sinless.
If that was the only issue, then vote moderation could be avoided more often, since a vote in which the voter does explain sufficiently how at least one point a debater made swung their vote, would be considered sufficient. -Airmax
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4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.
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4/9/2016 4:35:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.

The embodiment of truth, because there can only be one truth, therefore only one can be right and all others deceived or deceiving themselves.

That is simple logic. There "ain't no way round it", so get over it. lol.
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4/9/2016 4:37:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 3:55:08 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?

Changes made from original teaching and the year they were made.

Original teaching

Since 1927

Since 1951

Since 1995

Since 2008

Current teaching - since 2010

Who are the Generation

If the JW cannot even get right 'this generation' and demonstrated their buffoonery over 6 different attempts. They have discredited their authorship and authority on scriptures.

Tbe JW members have the highest levels of mental illness and suicide rates are 5-10 times higher than other groups.

Different, not contradictory, and with every one they have got closer to the truth. As with all their changes.

It won't be long until we know for sure.
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4/9/2016 4:38:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 4:35:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.

The embodiment of truth, because there can only be one truth, therefore only one can be right and all others deceived or deceiving themselves.

That is simple logic. There "ain't no way round it", so get over it. lol.

lol is right. Only one can be right, and that one is you of course.

Thank you for proving my point.
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4/9/2016 4:42:16 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 3:41:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
So why do we see so much disunity, a so-called Christianity divided into thousands of different denominations and sects?

What was Christ's heartfelt desire for his followers?

For the answer to that I suggest you read the record of his prayer to his father, Jehovah, as written by John, at John 17, a long and detailed prayer which should leave us in no doubt.

The first thing he mentions is an acknowledgement of his role in caring for those his father, Jehovah, has given him, and in helping them get to know his father very well. Including making sure they both know and understand his name and it's vital meaning, "I shall become". Vv 1-10.

Then he stresses that the ones his father, Jehovah, gave him are n the world, where he is soon not to be, but are not a part of the world, recognising at the same time that it will not be easy to be in the world but not be a part of it. He also stresses the importance of truth, and that truth is the only thing which can sanctify them. Vv 11-19.

So how can we be in the world but not part of it?

Well, we come out of the world, out of the nations of this world, by joining the New Nation Christ sowed the seed of, the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16.

That means that whilst we still owe limited allegiance to those nations who are still holding on to the responsibility of caring for us, our primary loyalty is to our own Government under our King, Christ.

That means no voting for them, no working directly for them, no joining their services or fighting in their wars.

They are still tasked with caring for us so we still pay our dues.If they misuse the money we pay them, then they will answer to Jehovah for doing so. We still obey all their laws as long as they do not go against those of our God and his King.

That doesn't make us popular, especially with the governments and their supporters, but that is their problem not ours. They can do nothing to us that our God and his King cannot undo in due time.

However, as Jesus made clear in that other powerful chapter, Matthew 10, which is well worth reading and thinking about, if we try to save our own present lives by disobedience to the requirements of our God and his King we will lose the much more important, and immeasurably better, life that is to come. The blood issue, which used to present just such a challenge, is one example.

But back to John 17.

Verse 20-26 concentrate mainly on Jesus desire for the unity between his followers to be every bit as strong as that between Jesus and his father. He also, once more, shows that he in fact had a life before becoming Jesus, and before he was involved in creating everything (Colossians 1:15).

So how united was Christ with his father?

He was not "physically" united with his father, since he was created from his father's substance, as he helped his father create all the other spirit creatures in the same way, so it can only mean united in aims and thinking.

Paul echoes that same thought to the Congregations in 1 Corinthians 1:10
10 Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

That means that Christianity brooks no disagreement in doctrine. None whatever.

So what happened when controversy arose, as it was bound to at times, and still does today.

Well first, dissensions would be taken to the Elders.

If the Elders couldn't sort it, it was passed along to the Apostles and Older Men n Jerusalem for their final decision (Acts 15).

Any who then refused to accept it were expelled, (disfellowshipped). Romans 16:17; Matthew 7:15; Titus 3:10; 2 John 10;

Exactly the same unity is demanded of Jehovah's Witnesses today, and dissensions are handled in as close to the same way as the global nature of the task allows.

In the 1st century the dissension could be passed straight from the Elders, via the Travelling Brothers to the Apostles and Older Men in Jerusalem.

Today the chain is, of necessity, longer, but has the same start, the Elders and the same end, The Governing Body. The rest of the chain is, Circuit Overseers - District overseers - Branch overseers - Zone Overseers. That way the Governing Body only get to consider the questions that no-one else can answer from scripture.

However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

It was united. Then the watchtower and The Book of Mormon appeared from nowhere as prophesied in the Bible.

The difference being that the Watchtower is simply a guide to the Bible.

It was not give to a prophet by an Angel who actually gave his name, as the Book of Mormon was.

Nor do the JWs claim that it replaces the Bible, it doesn't it explains it, is complimentary to is. Ever Mormon I have spoken with, and that's quite a few, claims that the book of Mormon supersedes the Bible.

Incidentally they also teach that only the KJV, the most inaccurate translation there is, is the version authorised by God.

In fact the Book of Mormon has a much closer religious and historical connection to the Q'ran, and is just as false.
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4/9/2016 4:50:38 PM
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At 4/9/2016 4:38:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:35:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.

The embodiment of truth, because there can only be one truth, therefore only one can be right and all others deceived or deceiving themselves.

That is simple logic. There "ain't no way round it", so get over it. lol.

lol is right. Only one can be right, and that one is you of course.

Thank you for proving my point.

I haven't exactly proved it, just agreed with it in principle.

However it is not me who is right, it is Jehovah, and so I follow where he leads through his son and holy spirit.

If I agree with him, and I do all I can to make sure that I do, I can't be wrong, because he won't let me go far astray and will bring me back online when he feels he needs to. It is as simple as that.

I don't let what I like, or what I want to believe affect what I accept. Unlike most people, you included.

No-one who becomes a JW can do that, because there are plenty of things about the JWs which none of us would choose if they weren't right or true.

It's the old prayer isn't it:

"God please give me the the courage to accept what I cannot change, the strength to change what I can, and the wisdom to know which is which". Which fits in quite nicely with James 1:5-8.

True wisdom is what we need, and what mankind lacks.
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4/9/2016 4:52:48 PM
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At 4/9/2016 3:36:55 PM, bulproof wrote:
Your christianity means accepting lies you don't believe in fear of disfellowship.
In your cult dishonesty rules, as you've been shown often.

No, I have never been shown that, people like you who don't have the sense to know better have tried, but you have had to lie and insult to do is.

Truth is all that matters in the end, so I shall stick with that thank you.

Let me know if you ever wake up to what is actually going on all round you. You need to.
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4/9/2016 5:09:02 PM
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At 4/9/2016 4:50:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:38:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:35:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.

The embodiment of truth, because there can only be one truth, therefore only one can be right and all others deceived or deceiving themselves.

That is simple logic. There "ain't no way round it", so get over it. lol.

lol is right. Only one can be right, and that one is you of course.

Thank you for proving my point.

I haven't exactly proved it, just agreed with it in principle.

However it is not me who is right, it is Jehovah, and so I follow where he leads through his son and holy spirit.

If the bible is God's (or Jehovah's) word, and this is what you are following, then you are following the same exact thing as every other Christian. So this has nothing to do with whether God is right. This is about whether you are interpreting his words correctly.
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4/9/2016 6:14:18 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 5:09:02 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:50:38 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:38:10 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:35:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 4:19:11 PM, Double_R wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:21:30 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
However the system does ensure the same unity that the Brothers and Sisters enjoyed in the 1st century but which Satan has done so much to disrupt especially since his casting down to earth when he began to fragment Apostate Christianity even further from about a dozen denominations to the current many thousands. All with the aim of making the truth harder to find in this time of the end.

In other words, only you and those who interpret the bible exactly as you do know the truth. Everyone else is just being deceived by a powerful evil entity to fulfill its own nefarious motives... that you interpreted.

The embodiment of religious close-mindedness.

The embodiment of truth, because there can only be one truth, therefore only one can be right and all others deceived or deceiving themselves.

That is simple logic. There "ain't no way round it", so get over it. lol.

lol is right. Only one can be right, and that one is you of course.

Thank you for proving my point.

I haven't exactly proved it, just agreed with it in principle.

However it is not me who is right, it is Jehovah, and so I follow where he leads through his son and holy spirit.

If the bible is God's (or Jehovah's) word, and this is what you are following, then you are following the same exact thing as every other Christian. So this has nothing to do with whether God is right. This is about whether you are interpreting his words correctly.

No, because they do not follow it.

They follow their own distorted version.

If they all followed it they would all be going the same way and they are not.

Most don't even recognise how corrupted most translations are because their religious leaders tell them otherwise.

Simple question:

How can you trust the work of a translator who did not transfer God's name over to all the places where it originally appeared, but changed it to LORD thus deliberately introducing confusing between God and his son?

If they were honest they would have at the very least copied across a transliteration of those 4 Hebrew Characters.

If you read a more honest Bible, especially the Hebrew Scriptures. it makes no difference if you read the bits originally written in Hebrew, or those originally written in Aramaic those 4 letters have been carried across faithfully, as this exhibition video shows:

https://www.jw.org... (14 minutes 09 seconds).

How much do you value honesty?

As much as Jehovah does? John 4:23-24; John 8:44-45.

John 8: 44 "You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie." - To pinch verse 45 from the end of that and apply it to myself - 45 "Because I, on the other hand, tell you the truth, you do not believe me."

You and those like you prefer the lie and call the truth a lie instead.
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4/10/2016 2:15:38 PM
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At 4/9/2016 4:37:39 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/9/2016 3:55:08 PM, Harikrish wrote:
Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?

Changes made from original teaching and the year they were made.

Original teaching

Since 1927

Since 1951

Since 1995

Since 2008

Current teaching - since 2010

Who are the Generation

If the JW cannot even get right 'this generation' and demonstrated their buffoonery over 6 different attempts. They have discredited their authorship and authority on scriptures.

Tbe JW members have the highest levels of mental illness and suicide rates are 5-10 times higher than other groups.

Different, not contradictory, and with every one they have got closer to the truth. As with all their changes.

Contradictory means inconsistent, saying 2 different things that cannot both be true. The JW had changed their position 6 times on 'this generation', that is more than contradictory, it is blasphemous!!!

It won't be long until we know for sure.

That is what the Jehovah's Witnesses have been saying for over a 100 years and spent the last fifty years correcting their mistakes and prophesy blunders. You are a product of their mistakes, suicidal pervert, serial adulterer, failed father, failed husband, failed JW member and at 67 forced to live alone with a dog. There is nothing contradictory about your disfellowshipped and shunning by the Jehovah's Witnesses elders. You are even unworthy of them. How cruel is that?!!!