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Historical quality of the bible

bigotry
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4/9/2016 6:54:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Im curious where people are finding it hard to accept the books of the bible are survived copies from origional authors that had said experiences and wrote them down.

Using the same standard one would apply to any text 2000 years old, where does any book new or old testament fall short?

Then theres the matter of historical events, which if any of the events, known nations ect are contradicted by other known sources from the same eras?
DanneJeRusse
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4/9/2016 7:07:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 6:54:11 PM, bigotry wrote:
Im curious where people are finding it hard to accept the books of the bible are survived copies from origional authors that had said experiences and wrote them down.

That's part of the problem in a nutshell, to actual determine the identities of the original authors, their alleged experiences being an entirely different topic of validity and credibility altogether. We shan't conflate the two.

Using the same standard one would apply to any text 2000 years old, where does any book new or old testament fall short?

The credibility of it's claims, origins and veracity and how it corroborates with other historical evidence?

Then theres the matter of historical events, which if any of the events, known nations ect are contradicted by other known sources from the same eras?

Yea, that does present a problem, how do you think it is justified?
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4/9/2016 7:09:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 6:54:11 PM, bigotry wrote:
Im curious where people are finding it hard to accept the books of the bible are survived copies from origional authors that had said experiences and wrote them down.

Using the same standard one would apply to any text 2000 years old, where does any book new or old testament fall short?

Then theres the matter of historical events, which if any of the events, known nations ect are contradicted by other known sources from the same eras?

Vedas are 3500 to 4000 year old Written documents ( based on linguistic and few other evidences ) but Hindu interpretation of Vedas are different to many Western Scholars . Rig Veda the oldest talk about Battle of 10 Kings and Many western Scholars believe that its a Historical Document ( Fun Fact is , When India was Colonized Many Scholars called Vedas Primitive )

Now these texts like Torah , Bible , Vedas are very old texts and there are chances that they got modified over the period of Time . But no one can claim their historical authenticity without solid proofs . Mahabharata one of the Epics of Hindus have mentioned some places that exist even today but under water , Dried up river beds and other stuff .
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4/9/2016 7:24:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 7:07:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/9/2016 6:54:11 PM, bigotry wrote:
Im curious where people are finding it hard to accept the books of the bible are survived copies from origional authors that had said experiences and wrote them down.

That's part of the problem in a nutshell, to actual determine the identities of the original authors, their alleged experiences being an entirely different topic of validity and credibility altogether. We shan't conflate the two.
Sure

Using the same standard one would apply to any text 2000 years old, where does any book new or old testament fall short?

The credibility of it's claims, origins and veracity and how it corroborates with other historical evidence?
Yes, what gives the grounds for dismissing any of it?

Then theres the matter of historical events, which if any of the events, known nations ect are contradicted by other known sources from the same eras?

Yea, that does present a problem, how do you think it is justified?
Well thats my point, what other histories or discoveries are disputing any claim in the books?
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4/9/2016 7:27:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/9/2016 7:09:25 PM, Pandit wrote:
At 4/9/2016 6:54:11 PM, bigotry wrote:
Im curious where people are finding it hard to accept the books of the bible are survived copies from origional authors that had said experiences and wrote them down.

Using the same standard one would apply to any text 2000 years old, where does any book new or old testament fall short?

Then theres the matter of historical events, which if any of the events, known nations ect are contradicted by other known sources from the same eras?

Vedas are 3500 to 4000 year old Written documents ( based on linguistic and few other evidences ) but Hindu interpretation of Vedas are different to many Western Scholars . Rig Veda the oldest talk about Battle of 10 Kings and Many western Scholars believe that its a Historical Document ( Fun Fact is , When India was Colonized Many Scholars called Vedas Primitive )

I dont think anyone has grounds for saying the battle didnt take place and the existence of something for so long is relevant and speaks to its credibility.

Now these texts like Torah , Bible , Vedas are very old texts and there are chances that they got modified over the period of Time . But no one can claim their historical authenticity without solid proofs . Mahabharata one of the Epics of Hindus have mentioned some places that exist even today but under water , Dried up river beds and other stuff .
You have it backwards, you have a claim being made about certain periods and geographical locations. Im saying based on these claims what is out there to directly challenge said claim?