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4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/11/2016 4:03:42 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Muslims are not supposed to lie. Why is it wrong to preach the good news?

Is it not written in scripture, "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?"
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 4:21:30 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Taqiyya or lie is not allowed in Islam.
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4/11/2016 4:31:35 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:21:30 AM, uncung wrote:
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Taqiyya or lie is not allowed in Islam.

Which is...you guessed it. A lie.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/11/2016 4:36:15 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Islamic deception 101

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"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/11/2016 5:18:37 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
How would a Muslim go about correcting you of your error if you are convinced that they are commanded to be dishonest?

You don't think that this is counterproductive?

Are open to the possibility that you are misinformed?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/11/2016 6:52:42 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Taqiyya or lie is not allowed in Islam.

Which is...you guessed it. A lie.

NO, I tell the truth.
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4/12/2016 6:58:16 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 6:52:42 AM, uncung wrote:
Taqiyya or lie is not allowed in Islam.

Which is...you guessed it. A lie.

NO, I tell the truth.

Okay. Tell us the truth.

Are you commanded to kill Christians and Jews in the Quran?

Are you commanded to not be friends with nonMuslims?

Are you commander to conquer the world until all religion is Allah's?

Are you commanded to espionage nonMuslim peoples to overcome them??
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/12/2016 9:02:27 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Circumcision of both genders shows equality to both men and women. Beheading guarantees separation of infidel from his beliefs so he can be judged as neutral and spared in paradise. Jihad is applied only in defence of Islam. Making child brides is better than making them slaves to prostitution. They have shelter and a husband to protect them. There are very few homosexuals in Muslim countries. With 4 women for every man in marriage. There isn't much incentive for Muslim men to be gay.
Islam is a religion of peace. You now have the reasons why 1.6 billion Muslims live peacefully.
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4/12/2016 10:03:15 PM
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Circumcision is not a pillar of the Muslim faith.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/12/2016 10:08:01 PM
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At 4/12/2016 10:03:15 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Circumcision is not a pillar of the Muslim faith.

But it gives visibility to every Muslim head.
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4/12/2016 10:27:37 PM
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Islam is the belief in One God, and the submission to God's will.

God's will is what is done. It's about accepting reality, practicing observance, and sincerity.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/12/2016 11:34:07 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

In many sects of Islam, Taqiyya is only practiced when a believer is prosecuted or having their life put at risk. This is consistent with the rest of the religion, in which rules can be suspended if they would put one's life at risk. There's nothing wrong with trying to stay alive.
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4/13/2016 12:09:43 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/12/2016 6:58:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 6:52:42 AM, uncung wrote:
Taqiyya or lie is not allowed in Islam.

Which is...you guessed it. A lie.

NO, I tell the truth.

Okay. Tell us the truth.

Are you commanded to kill Christians and Jews in the Quran?

Are you commanded to not be friends with nonMuslims?

Are you commander to conquer the world until all religion is Allah's?

Are you commanded to espionage nonMuslim peoples to overcome them??

Yes, we are.
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4/13/2016 12:15:40 AM
Posted: 8 months ago
Sounds like you had a bad teacher.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/14/2016 11:02:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Come on man!!!
Have you ever studied our books?!!!!
Lie is a great sin.
Imam Baqir (a.s.), the 5th successor of Muhammad(pbuh) says: Put various sins in a room and close its door, make sure that its key is "lie".
Muhammad(pbuh) and all his successors have prohibited lie and regarded it as a great sin.
Taqiyya and Kitman have been allowed under special circumstances when innocent people's lives are in danger. Imagine ISIS has arrested 1000 Christians and ask you whether you are Christians or not?!!
If you say "yes" in fact you have killed 1000 Christians by your own hands. Your weak religious rules will kill innocent people but Islamic rules will save the lives of innocent people's lives. Which one is better?!
Think!!
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4/14/2016 11:08:02 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Hey man do an academic research!!!!!!!
Your sayings are misleading people!!!
Islam is a religion which gives so many rights for women, much more than any other religion.
Cutting women's organs is taboo it has got cultural bases not Islamic base!!!
You have no idea how Islam provides rights for transsexuals and transgenders.
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4/14/2016 2:12:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 11:02:36 AM, shalal12 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Come on man!!!
Have you ever studied our books?!!!!
Lie is a great sin.
Imam Baqir (a.s.), the 5th successor of Muhammad(pbuh) says: Put various sins in a room and close its door, make sure that its key is "lie".
Muhammad(pbuh) and all his successors have prohibited lie and regarded it as a great sin.
Taqiyya and Kitman have been allowed under special circumstances when innocent people's lives are in danger. Imagine ISIS has arrested 1000 Christians and ask you whether you are Christians or not?!!
If you say "yes" in fact you have killed 1000 Christians by your own hands. Your weak religious rules will kill innocent people but Islamic rules will save the lives of innocent people's lives. Which one is better?!
Think!!

Okay, I can stand up bravely to my beliefs and say I am a Christian or take the cowards way out and lie.

Either way, it doesn't matter, ISIS will kill me anyways, but will they be killing someone who is brave to their word or is a lying coward. Islam teaches to be a lying coward. And, if that person actually survives, they'll live with their cowardice their whole lives.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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4/14/2016 2:16:13 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 11:34:07 PM, Leugen9001 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

In many sects of Islam, Taqiyya is only practiced when a believer is prosecuted or having their life put at risk. This is consistent with the rest of the religion, in which rules can be suspended if they would put one's life at risk. There's nothing wrong with trying to stay alive.

Tell that to a suicide bomber.
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4/14/2016 2:40:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 9:02:27 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Circumcision of both genders shows equality to both men and women. Beheading guarantees separation of infidel from his beliefs so he can be judged as neutral and spared in paradise. Jihad is applied only in defence of Islam. Making child brides is better than making them slaves to prostitution. They have shelter and a husband to protect them. There are very few homosexuals in Muslim countries. With 4 women for every man in marriage. There isn't much incentive for Muslim men to be gay.
Islam is a religion of peace. You now have the reasons why 1.6 billion Muslims live peacefully.

Your comments really aren't doing your religion any favours.
Female genital mutilation is fine as long as it's done to males?
Is your god not able to judge a person properly if their head is intact? How about not beheading people who have different beliefs?
Child marriage is ok because it's better than prostitution? Seriously - are those the only two options?
And maybe people are too afraid of admitting they are homosexual because of the way they will be treated.
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4/14/2016 2:50:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:12:29 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/14/2016 11:02:36 AM, shalal12 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Come on man!!!
Have you ever studied our books?!!!!
Lie is a great sin.
Imam Baqir (a.s.), the 5th successor of Muhammad(pbuh) says: Put various sins in a room and close its door, make sure that its key is "lie".
Muhammad(pbuh) and all his successors have prohibited lie and regarded it as a great sin.
Taqiyya and Kitman have been allowed under special circumstances when innocent people's lives are in danger. Imagine ISIS has arrested 1000 Christians and ask you whether you are Christians or not?!!
If you say "yes" in fact you have killed 1000 Christians by your own hands. Your weak religious rules will kill innocent people but Islamic rules will save the lives of innocent people's lives. Which one is better?!
Think!!

Okay, I can stand up bravely to my beliefs and say I am a Christian or take the cowards way out and lie.

Either way, it doesn't matter, ISIS will kill me anyways, but will they be killing someone who is brave to their word or is a lying coward. Islam teaches to be a lying coward. And, if that person actually survives, they'll live with their cowardice their whole lives.

Being idiot is different from being brave. Be brave and let cruel people behead your family members in front of your eyesight?!!! And I'd better inform you when Takfiri Muslims make sure that you are Kafir, they let themselves rape your wife and daughters. You can adhere to your self-defined braveness and let them kill and rape your family; later you can tell the people that you were not coward!!!

Imam Ali (a.s.): The highest degree of braveness is patience.
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4/14/2016 3:03:07 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/12/2016 9:02:27 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Circumcision of both genders shows equality to both men and women. Beheading guarantees separation of infidel from his beliefs so he can be judged as neutral and spared in paradise. Jihad is applied only in defence of Islam. Making child brides is better than making them slaves to prostitution. They have shelter and a husband to protect them. There are very few homosexuals in Muslim countries. With 4 women for every man in marriage. There isn't much incentive for Muslim men to be gay.
Islam is a religion of peace. You now have the reasons why 1.6 billion Muslims live peacefully.

If you wanna ruin something, defend it in the worst possible way!!!
I'm well aware that you dont care about Islam.
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4/14/2016 3:08:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:12:29 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 4/14/2016 11:02:36 AM, shalal12 wrote:
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Come on man!!!
Have you ever studied our books?!!!!
Lie is a great sin.
Imam Baqir (a.s.), the 5th successor of Muhammad(pbuh) says: Put various sins in a room and close its door, make sure that its key is "lie".
Muhammad(pbuh) and all his successors have prohibited lie and regarded it as a great sin.
Taqiyya and Kitman have been allowed under special circumstances when innocent people's lives are in danger. Imagine ISIS has arrested 1000 Christians and ask you whether you are Christians or not?!!
If you say "yes" in fact you have killed 1000 Christians by your own hands. Your weak religious rules will kill innocent people but Islamic rules will save the lives of innocent people's lives. Which one is better?!
Think!!

Okay, I can stand up bravely to my beliefs and say I am a Christian or take the cowards way out and lie.

Either way, it doesn't matter, ISIS will kill me anyways, but will they be killing someone who is brave to their word or is a lying coward. Islam teaches to be a lying coward. And, if that person actually survives, they'll live with their cowardice their whole lives.

The ISIS suicide bombing instructor to his new batch of recruits.

Now I'm only gonna show you this once.
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4/14/2016 3:14:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Daesh is an over glorified street gang. There are more Crips and Bloods than there are Daesh.

Trust me, it's very easy to make it look like there is a constant state of civil war going on in America when you live halfway across the world.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:40:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 3:03:07 PM, shalal12 wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:02:27 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Circumcision of both genders shows equality to both men and women. Beheading guarantees separation of infidel from his beliefs so he can be judged as neutral and spared in paradise. Jihad is applied only in defence of Islam. Making child brides is better than making them slaves to prostitution. They have shelter and a husband to protect them. There are very few homosexuals in Muslim countries. With 4 women for every man in marriage. There isn't much incentive for Muslim men to be gay.
Islam is a religion of peace. You now have the reasons why 1.6 billion Muslims live peacefully.

If you wanna ruin something, defend it in the worst possible way!!!
I'm well aware that you dont care about Islam.

You and your people hold a minority view. Your cowardice and silence is a contemptible defence.
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4/15/2016 6:52:58 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 1:40:41 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/14/2016 3:03:07 PM, shalal12 wrote:
At 4/12/2016 9:02:27 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/11/2016 5:12:33 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/11/2016 4:47:32 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
So the real question is this...

What exactly are you trying to rationalize and why?

You are promoting a religion that says women have no rights, that cuts off a female child's clitoris, says to behead unbelievers, declares death for apostasy and homosexuality, allows child brides, and is anti democracy per Sharia law. Your priorities are ALL screwed up.

Circumcision of both genders shows equality to both men and women. Beheading guarantees separation of infidel from his beliefs so he can be judged as neutral and spared in paradise. Jihad is applied only in defence of Islam. Making child brides is better than making them slaves to prostitution. They have shelter and a husband to protect them. There are very few homosexuals in Muslim countries. With 4 women for every man in marriage. There isn't much incentive for Muslim men to be gay.
Islam is a religion of peace. You now have the reasons why 1.6 billion Muslims live peacefully.

If you wanna ruin something, defend it in the worst possible way!!!
I'm well aware that you dont care about Islam.

You and your people hold a minority view. Your cowardice and silence is a contemptible defence.

Says the Champion liar of DDO.
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4/15/2016 7:21:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/11/2016 3:38:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Deception in Islam

http://brennerbrief.com...

"One might think that this is bad enough, because the implications for trust between Muslims and non-Muslims in everyday conversations concerning Islam are profound. For example, interfaith outreach between a Jewish rabbi, a Catholic priest and"a Muslim"imam may be predicated on a certain amount of goodwill on all sides in order to reach a mutually agreeable understanding. But if one realises that the Muslim in such a situation has no interest in extending goodwill, but wishes only to advance the cause of Islam " by subterfuge and sleight-of-hand if necessary " then it becomes obvious that the entire concept of interfaith outreach concerning Islam is a futile exercise.

However, it"s actually even worse than that. For if a Muslim cannot achieve a permissible goal (such as"promoting Islam in the eyes of non-Muslims, or preventing its denigration in the eyes of non-Muslims) by telling the truth, then he is actually obliged " not just permitted but"divinely commanded " to lie in order to achieve that goal. This is in direct contrast to the moral and ethical values of "our Judaeo-Christian civilisation, where lying under any circumstances is considered to be a sin. People do lie, of course, for all sorts of reasons, but they know that they are committing a sin by doing so, and there is never any circumstance under which a lie may be given divine sanction.

Deception in Islam takes various subtle forms " Taqiyya being merely the most commonly quoted form " and this article from the website"Islam Watch"succinctly defines the differences between Taqiyya, (deceit for the purposes of spreading Islam), Tawriya, (deceit by ambiguity), Kitman (deceit by omission), and Muruna (deceit by the temporary suspension of Sharia). An additional article from the website Islam Exposed"touches upon the concepts of Taysir (deceit through facilitation), and Darura (deceit through necessity)."

Whereas extreme fundie Christians like you make it all up as you go along!