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annanicole
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4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
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'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.
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4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane? Seemed pretty aware of what he was doing and believed he'd be met in heaven by all the unborn children he saved. And no, I wasn't even considering insanity unless you call believing in Heaven insane. And no, I've never seen any atheist, no matter how militant, ever pick up a gin and start shooting at people because of his lack of belief.
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4/12/2016 3:23:16 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane? Seemed pretty aware of what he was doing and believed he'd be met in heaven by all the unborn children he saved.

He isn't going to be met in heaven by anyone.

And no, I wasn't even considering insanity unless you call believing in Heaven insane.

I call his warped thinking concerning heaven ... insane. He thinks abortionists are murderers - and lost. Very well. So he murders and thinks he'll have a different fate.

And no, I've never seen any atheist, no matter how militant, ever pick up a gin and start shooting at people because of his lack of belief.

Remember Joe Stalin?
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4/12/2016 3:35:59 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane?

I'm saying that the "look" parallels the actions. He looks like a nutcase and behaved like one.
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4/12/2016 3:38:13 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 3:23:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane? Seemed pretty aware of what he was doing and believed he'd be met in heaven by all the unborn children he saved.

He isn't going to be met in heaven by anyone.

How do you know? Who's to say he's not hearing the voice of his god?

And no, I wasn't even considering insanity unless you call believing in Heaven insane.

I call his warped thinking concerning heaven ... insane. He thinks abortionists are murderers - and lost. Very well. So he murders and thinks he'll have a different fate.

He believes he's justified just as the ancient Judeans thought they were justified in killing every man, woman, and child, except of course for the virgins of marriageable age, when they invaded another country.

And no, I've never seen any atheist, no matter how militant, ever pick up a gin and start shooting at people because of his lack of belief.

Remember Joe Stalin?

Joseph Stalin studied at an Eastern Orthodox church. He did what he did in the name of a Socialism, not atheism. Two different things.
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4/12/2016 3:40:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 3:38:13 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 3:23:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane? Seemed pretty aware of what he was doing and believed he'd be met in heaven by all the unborn children he saved.

He isn't going to be met in heaven by anyone.

How do you know? Who's to say he's not hearing the voice of his god?

And no, I wasn't even considering insanity unless you call believing in Heaven insane.

I call his warped thinking concerning heaven ... insane. He thinks abortionists are murderers - and lost. Very well. So he murders and thinks he'll have a different fate.

He believes he's justified just as the ancient Judeans thought they were justified in killing every man, woman, and child, except of course for the virgins of marriageable age, when they invaded another country.

And no, I've never seen any atheist, no matter how militant, ever pick up a gin and start shooting at people because of his lack of belief.

Remember Joe Stalin?

Joseph Stalin studied at an Eastern Orthodox church. He did what he did in the name of a Socialism, not atheism. Two different things.

Where he studied is of no consequence unless he was embracing/following their teachings when "he did what he did." Obviously, he was not. He claimed otherwise. And for Stalin, communism and atheism were symbiotic, to say the least.
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4/12/2016 3:43:19 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 3:40:36 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 3:38:13 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 3:23:16 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:36:02 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

So you're saying because he looks funny he's insane? Seemed pretty aware of what he was doing and believed he'd be met in heaven by all the unborn children he saved.

He isn't going to be met in heaven by anyone.

How do you know? Who's to say he's not hearing the voice of his god?

And no, I wasn't even considering insanity unless you call believing in Heaven insane.

I call his warped thinking concerning heaven ... insane. He thinks abortionists are murderers - and lost. Very well. So he murders and thinks he'll have a different fate.

He believes he's justified just as the ancient Judeans thought they were justified in killing every man, woman, and child, except of course for the virgins of marriageable age, when they invaded another country.

And no, I've never seen any atheist, no matter how militant, ever pick up a gin and start shooting at people because of his lack of belief.

Remember Joe Stalin?

Joseph Stalin studied at an Eastern Orthodox church. He did what he did in the name of a Socialism, not atheism. Two different things.

Where he studied is of no consequence unless he was embracing/following their teachings when "he did what he did." Obviously, he was not. He claimed otherwise. And for Stalin, communism and atheism were symbiotic, to say the least.

You're conflating two different things. Once again, what he did he did in the name of Socialism, not atheism. They are not 'symbiotic' or synonymous in any way.
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4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.
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4/12/2016 5:47:36 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 1:19:07 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

The "toxic mix" is religion, politics, and insanity. Did you see the pic of the guy? Lord, he makes the MadCornishClown on here look like a Rhodes scholar!

Anyway, an equivalent "toxic mix" is atheism, politics, and insanity.

To be fair, I would say the man is 'unstable' (to say the least). In my opinion, there is a link between extreme views, whether they be religious or not, and insanity. (i.e. as the views become more extreme the closer to madness an individual is)
The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible. - Salman Rushdie

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/12/2016 6:58:23 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.

Not only is your grasp of history questionable, your understanding of what demographic has had majority share of elected office is atrocious.
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4/12/2016 8:48:39 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

I guess it depends on the religion but for Christians who are ordered by Christ to be no part of this world any involvement with politics is an absolute No-No
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4/12/2016 8:54:06 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 6:58:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.

Not only is your grasp of history questionable, your understanding of what demographic has had majority share of elected office is atrocious.

This.
The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, derision, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible. - Salman Rushdie

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. - Bertrand Russell
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4/12/2016 9:49:03 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.

Christians are demographically a huge majority in America. 83%. It's a Christian country that tolerates other religions and non religion. Only 17% of people are not Christians. So you can't blame your economic woes on an apparent lack of Christian influence. name the last non christian president? George Bush spent a lot of money and racked up debt, are you claiming he is not a Christian?
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4/12/2016 10:05:57 PM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 8:48:39 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

I guess it depends on the religion but for Christians who are ordered by Christ to be no part of this world any involvement with politics is an absolute No-No

A hypothetical question. Imagine the jws succeeded in converting the majority of a population in a particular country to believe what you regard as true Christianity.

In this situation would you expect the jw leaders to encourage these people to vote in elections to elect a party that intended to implement laws supported by jws and recognize Jesus as the rightful king of entire earth?

Or do you think they would encourage the jws in this country to abstain from elections and still allow the satanic government to continue to implement unlawful rule over what should be territory ruled by Jesus? Even though through voting in elections the jws could outvote the non jws?

By voting jws could implement Jehovah's laws and succeed in reducing Satan's influence by teaching people the truth and therefore guide more people to the side of Jesus. This territory could also set a precedent for other countries, with other people realizing the increased international influence of jws and paying the faith more interest. Eventually the whole world could be populated by a jw majority. Eventually a system could be set up abolishing current borders and an the entire world recognizing Christ as it's king.

I wonder If you or other jws have ever considered this scenario?
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4/13/2016 12:47:55 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/12/2016 6:58:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.

Not only is your grasp of history questionable, your understanding of what demographic has had majority share of elected office is atrocious.

Your statement in and of itself contradicts itself.

This country was over 90% Christian and not all that long ago. Do you dispute this?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/13/2016 12:50:33 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
According to wiki, In 1963 it was over 90% Christian.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/13/2016 11:42:01 AM
Posted: 1 year ago
At 4/13/2016 12:47:55 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 6:58:23 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/12/2016 6:52:45 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:33:43 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/12/2016 5:27:09 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/12/2016 12:46:26 PM, dhardage wrote:
http://www.msn.com...

'Nuff said.

You are actually semi right on this one. When atheism started trying to move in on politics, our country started turning to a sespool of greed, immorality, economic disaster, terrorist attacks, disobedient children, and hate.

Cesspool.

Sure. And that's what we have. I'll let you in on a little secret. Back when I was a younger man, the U.S. was much, much more invested in God. His hand was over this country beyond measure. People acted happier, were more neighborly, were more excited and joyful. There was no serious terrorism to be spoken of. They pushed God out of everything, and we have watched a once great nation crumble, and not slowly, but quickly. We now live in a selfish, self absorbed, god hating, disobedient, rebellious, rude nation that's youth wonders what is wrong with this country. Godlesness is what's wrong with this country. The new "secular" U.S. can't find its way, has no answers, and refuses to turn to what was working very well I might add. God fearing America was not the crumbling America we see today. Atheists think their way works, but itdoesn't. People today call evil goog and goodevil. Today's godless America and Europe are leafs blowing in the wind, unable to keep it together. If god was still in control of the West, it would have adhered to the Biblical principle of not owing unpayable debts to others. Our debt would be little or nothing. But secular America spends, spends, spends and to its own destruction.

Not only is your grasp of history questionable, your understanding of what demographic has had majority share of elected office is atrocious.

Your statement in and of itself contradicts itself.

Oh? Ask yourself whom is in majority power now: atheists, Christians, or "other".

This country was over 90% Christian and not all that long ago. Do you dispute this?

The country is still majority (large majority) Christian, the country is still majority (large majority) electing Christians to office.

Do you dispute this?
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