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4/13/2016 4:45:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Absolutely nothing, and such a position is incredibly self defeating and ignorant at the fundamental level.

God is the Ultimate Reality. If you don't believe in that, any argument you come up with is built on sand.

Besides that, I don't think it's scientific to prove negatives.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/13/2016 4:48:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:42:05 PM, rnjs wrote:
What would prove that God doesn't exist and why?

An internal contradiction in the notion of God is one way to prove God doesn't exist. Another way is to deduce a prediction from the notion of God's existence and to show that the prediction is false.
"Not to know of what things one should demand demonstration, and of what one should not, argues want of education." ~Aristotle

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~Aristotle
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4/13/2016 7:48:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:42:05 PM, rnjs wrote:
What would prove that God doesn't exist and why?

You need to define "God" to get a reasonable answer to that question.

For example, if "God" is a conceptual phenomena, then the fact that you asked the question proves that "God exists". But if "God" is some sort of physical phenomena, then you need to define that phenomena before we can determine if it exists, or not.

The clarity of your answers will depend on the clarity of your question.
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4/13/2016 7:52:27 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:42:05 PM, rnjs wrote:
What would prove that God doesn't exist and why?

Wrong question. Non-existence is the null hypothesis. The correct answer is 'what would prove that any god or gods exist as defined by their adherents?'
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4/14/2016 10:47:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Introduction
I created not jinn and mankind except that they might worship me.4
According to the meaning of this mighty verse, the purpose for the sending of man to this world and the wisdom implicit in it, consists of recognizing the Creator of all beings and believing in Him and worshipping Him. The primordial duty of man and the obligation incumbent upon him are to know God and believe in Him, to assent to His Being and unity in submission and perfect certainty.
For man, who by nature desires permanent life and immortal existence, whose unlimited hopes are matched by boundless afflictions, any object or accomplishment other than belief in God, knowledge of God and the means for attaining these, which are the fundament and key of eternal life " any such object or accomplishment must be regarded as lowly for man, or even worthless in many cases.
Since this truth has been proven with firm evidence in the Risale-i Nur, we refer exposition of it to that, setting forth here, within the framework of four questions, only two abysses that shake certainty of faith in this age and induce hesitation.
The means for salvation from the first abyss are these two Matters:
The First Matter: As proven in detail in the Thirteenth Flash of the Thirty-First Letter, in general questions denial has no value in the face of proof and is extremely weak. For example, with respect to the sighting of the crescent moon at the beginning of Ramadan the Noble, if two common men prove the crescent to have emerged by their witnessing it, and thousands of nobles and scholars deny it, saying: "We have not seen it," their negation is valueless and without power to convince. When it is a question of proof each person strengthens and supports the other, and consensus results. But when it is a question of negation, there is no difference between one man and a thousand. Each person remains alone and isolated. For the one who affirms looks beyond himself and judges the matter as it is. Thus in the example we have given, if one says "The moon is in the sky," and his friend then points his finger at the moon, the two of them unite and are strengthened.
The one who engages in negation and denial, however, does not regard the matter as it is, and is even unable to do so. For it is a well-known principle that "a non- particularized denial, not directed to a particular locus, cannot be proven."
For example, if I affirm the existence of a thing in the world, and you deny it, I can easily establish its existence with a single indication. But for you to justify your negation, that is to establish the non-existence of the thing " it is necessary to hunt exhaustively through the whole world, and even to examine every aspect of past ages. Only then can you say, "It does not exist, and never has existed."
Since those who negate and deny do not regard the matter as it is but judge rather in the light of their own souls, and their own intelligence and vision, they can in no way strengthen and support each other. For the veils and causes that prevent them from seeing and knowing are various. Anyone can say, "I do not see it; therefore, in my opinion and belief, it does not exist." But none can say, "It does not exist in actuality." If someone says this "particularly in questions of belief, which look to all the universe" it is a lie as vast as the world itself, and he who utters it will be incapable both of speaking the truth and of being corrected.
In Short: The result is one and single in the case of affirmation, and every instance of affirmation supports all other instances.
Negation by contrast is not one, but multiple. Multiplicity arises through each person"s saying concerning himself, "In my opinion and view," or "In my belief," and leads to multiplicity of result. Hence each separate instance cannot support all other instances.
Therefore, with respect to the truth with which we began, there is no significance in the multiplicity and apparent predominance of the unbelievers and deniers who oppose belief. Now it is necessary to refrain from introducing any hesitation into the certainty and faith of a believer, but in this age the negations and denials of the philosophers of Europe have induced doubt in a number of unfortunate dupes and thus destroyed their certainty and obliterated their eternal felicity. Death and the coming of one"s appointed hour, which afflict thirty thousand men each day, are deprived of their meaning of dismissal from this world and presented as eternal annihilation. The grave with its ever-open door, constantly threatens the denier with annihilation and poisons his life with the bitterest of sorrows. Appreciate then how great a blessing is faith, and the very essence of life.
The Second Matter: With respect to a problem subject to discussion in science or art, those who stand outside that science or art cannot speak authoritatively, however great, learned and accomplished they may be, nor can their judgements be accepted as decisive. They cannot form part of the learned consensus of the science.
For example, the judgement of a great engineer on the diagnosis and cure of a disease does not have the same value as that of the lowliest physician. In particular, the words of denial of a philosopher who is absorbed in the material sphere, who becomes continually more remote from the non-material or spiritual and cruder and more insensitive to light, whose intelligence is restricted to what his eye beholds " the words of such a one are unworthy of consideration and valueless with respect to non- material and spiritual matters.
On matters sacred and spiritual and concerning the Divine unity, there is total accord among the hundreds of thousands of the People of Truth, such as Shaykh Gilani (May his mystery be sanctified), who beheld God"s Sublime Throne while still on the earth, who spent ninety years ad-vancing in spiritual work, and who unveiled the truths of belief in all three stations of certainty. This being the case what value have the words of philosophers, who through their absorption in the most diffuse details of the material realm and the most minute aspects of multiplicity are choking and dazed? Are not their denials and objections drowned out like the buzzing of a mosquito by the roaring of thunder?
The essence of the unbelief that opposes the truths of Islam and struggles against them is denial, ignorance, and negation. Even though it may appear to be an affirmation of some kind and a manifestation of being, it is in reality negation and non- being. Whereas belief is knowledge and a manifestation of being; it is affirmation and judgement. Every negating aspect of belief is the gate to a positive truth or the veil covering it. If the unbelievers who struggle against faith attempt, with the utmost difficulty, to affirm and accept their negative beliefs in the form of acceptance and admission of non-being, then their unbelief may be regarded in one respect as a form of mistaken knowledge or erroneous judgement. But as for non-acceptance, denial, and non-admission "something more easily done" it is absolute ignorance and total absence of judgement.
...source: risale-i nur collection
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4/14/2016 10:50:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
In Short: The convictions underlying unbelief are then of two kinds:
The First pays no regard to the truths of Islam. It is an erroneous admission, a baseless belief and a mistaken acceptance peculiar to itself; it is an unjust judgement. This kind of unbelief is beyond the scope of our discussion. It has no concern with us, nor do we have any concern with it.
The Second Kind opposes the truths of belief and struggles against them. It consists in turn of two varieties.The First is non-acceptance. It consists simply of not consenting to affirmation. This is a species of ignorance; there is no judgement in-volved and it occurs easily. It too is beyond the scope of our discussion.
The Second variety is acceptance of non-being. It is to consent to non-being with one"s heart, and a judgement is involved. It is a conviction and a taking the part of something. It is on account of this partiality that it is obliged to affirm its negation.
The negation comprises two types:
The First Type says: "A certain thing does not exist at a certain place or in a particular direction." This kind of denial can be proved, and it lies outside of our discussion.
The Second Type consists of negating and denying those doctrinal and sacred matters, general and comprehensive, that concern this world, all beings, the hereafter, and the succession of different ages. This kind of negation cannot in any fashion be substantiated, as we have shown in the First Matter, for what is needed to substantiate such negations is a vision that shall encompass the whole universe, behold the hereafter, and observe every aspect of time without limit.
The Second Abyss and the means for escaping from it: This too consists of two matters.
The First: Intelligences that become narrowed by absorption in neglect of God and in sin, or the material realm, are unable to comprehend vast matters in respect of sublimity, grandeur, and infinity; hence taking pride in such knowledge as they have, they hasten to denial and negation. Since they cannot encompass the extremely vast, profound and comprehensive questions of faith within their straitened and dessicated intellects, their corrupt and spiritually moribund hearts, they cast themselves into unbelief and misguidance, and choke.
If they were able to look at the true nature of their unbelief and the essence of their misguidance they would see that, compared to the reasonable, suitable and indeed necessary sublimity and grandeur that is present in belief, their unbelief conceals and contains manifold absurdity and impossibility. The Risale-i Nur has proven this truth by hundreds of comparisons with the same finality that "two plus two equals four." For example, one who does not accept the Necessary Being, the pre-eternity, and the comprehensiveness of attribute of God Almighty, on account of their grandeur and sublimity, may form a creed of unbelief by assigning that necessary being, pre-eternity, and the attributes of Godhead to an unlimited number of beings, an infinity of atoms. Or like the foolish Sophists, he can abdicate his intelligence by denying and negating both his own existence and that of the universe.
Thus, all the truths of belief and Islam, basing their matters on the grandeur and sublimity which are their requirement, deliver themselves from the awesome absurdities, the fearsome superstitions, and the tenebrous ignorance of unbelief that confront them, and take up their place in sound hearts and straight intellects, through utmost submission and assent.
The constant proclamation of this grandeur and sublimity in the call to prayer, in the prayers themselves and in most of the rites of Islam,
Allahu akbar, God is Most Great!
God is Most Great! God is Most Great!
the declaration of the Sacred Tradition that "Grandeur is My shield and Sublimity My cloak;"5 and the statement of the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) " his most inspiring communing with God, in the eighty-sixth part of Jawshan al-Kabir:6
O You other than Whose Kingdom no kingdom exists;
O You Whose Praise cannot be counted by His slaves;
O You Whose Glory cannot be described by His creatures;
O You Whose Perfection lies beyond the range of all vision;
O You Whose Attributes exceed the bounds of all understanding; O You Whose Grandeur is beyond the reach of all thought;
O You Whose Qualities man cannot fittingly describe;
O You Whose Decree His slaves cannot avert;
O You Whose Signs are manifest in everything
"Be You glorified; there is no god other than You"
Protection, protection, deliver us from the Fire!
"alltheseshowthat grandeurandsublimityconstituteanecessaryveil.

...from the risale-i nur collection
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4/14/2016 11:46:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:42:05 PM, rnjs wrote:
What would prove that God doesn't exist and why?

Probably proving a logical contradiction of his traits. If you define God as a generic creator then it is near impossible to disprove he exists because of how genetically he is defined.
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4/15/2016 8:40:02 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:45:42 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Absolutely nothing, and such a position is incredibly self defeating and ignorant at the fundamental level.

God is the Ultimate Reality. If you don't believe in that, any argument you come up with is built on sand.

Hey UniversalTheologian, still trying to prove God by defining him into existence? Lol.

Besides that, I don't think it's scientific to prove negatives.

It has nothing to do with science. It's about whether it is logically possible (which it isn't unless God is defined with contradictory attributes).
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4/15/2016 8:44:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 4:42:05 PM, rnjs wrote:
What would prove that God doesn't exist and why?

Here's one I baked earlier:

P1: If an entity is made of something then it is contingent (dependent) on that something.
P2: God is not contingent (by definition).
C: God is not made of something.

It is trivially obvious that if God is not made of something then he is literally nothing, ie. cannot exist.
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4/15/2016 1:26:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
You can't define God into existence. God is uncreated. If in your mind's eye your idea of God is creation, that isn't God.

Now, you can mock and scoff all you want, but as long as you don't acknowledge this, we aren't talking about the same thing, and if you insist that we are, there isn't going to be effective communication.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:31:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
You forget that every entity is dependent on God. Can an entity exist on its own?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:33:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The absolute Truth, the reality, the way things are... This isn't dependent on an observer. If it was, it wouldn't be the singular Truth.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:34:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 1:31:01 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
You forget that every entity is dependent on God. Can an entity exist on its own?

I, as antity, was contingent upon the existence of my ancestors. No god needed.

You can make all the assertions you want, presupposed the existence of your deity, but you cannot demonstrate unambiguously the existence of any such entity in any factual way. At least admit that your belief is not fact-based.
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4/15/2016 1:34:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 1:34:30 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/15/2016 1:31:01 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
You forget that every entity is dependent on God. Can an entity exist on its own?

I, as entity, was contingent upon the existence of my ancestors. No god needed.

You can make all the assertions you want, presupposed the existence of your deity, but you cannot demonstrate unambiguously the existence of any such entity in any factual way. At least admit that your belief is not fact-based.
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4/15/2016 1:36:26 PM
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How can God be shown to you when you don't recognize God?

The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness comprehends it not.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:40:50 PM
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If God is not a material phenomena, then God must be an ideological phenomena or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

God exists, then, as an ideological phenomena.

So, define this phenomena further.
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4/15/2016 1:47:36 PM
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There is nothing in creation that has been created that was created apart from God.

God is the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega.

God is one

Good and evil come from God

Light and darkness come from God.

It's a riddle, and it isn't beyond a human being to see the truth. That said, no one can fully grasp God.

Once you capture the concept, it flies away. It's really easy to get hung up on the fact that we are using a concept to talk about what is fundamentally beyond conception. It's like a finger pointing at a star in the sky.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 1:48:18 PM
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Some people keep staring at the finger, and it is obvious to those who know why they are confused.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 2:06:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 1:47:36 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
There is nothing in creation that has been created that was created apart from God.


God is the beginning and the end, the alpha and the omega.

God is one

Good and evil come from God

Light and darkness come from God.


It's a riddle, and it isn't beyond a human being to see the truth. That said, no one can fully grasp God.


Once you capture the concept, it flies away. It's really easy to get hung up on the fact that we are using a concept to talk about what is fundamentally beyond conception. It's like a finger pointing at a star in the sky.

Metaphysical woo that had precisely zero actual content or meaning.
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4/15/2016 2:07:09 PM
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At 4/15/2016 1:48:18 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Some people keep staring at the finger, and it is obvious to those who know why they are confused.

The problem is you don't 'know'. You believe.
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4/15/2016 2:12:18 PM
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It's all I truly do know. Everything else is belief.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 3:02:32 PM
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At 4/15/2016 2:12:18 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It's all I truly do know. Everything else is belief.

Religion doesn't give you the answers. It stops you from asking questions.
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4/15/2016 3:07:32 PM
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At 4/15/2016 2:12:18 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It's all I truly do know. Everything else is belief.

Sorry, unless you have some kind of actual evidence to back it up, it's a belief, not knowledge. You have your values inverted in this respect.
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4/15/2016 3:24:17 PM
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Till we believe God is a being with features and qualities , There will be humans who will challenge its existence . Start looking at Cosmos as manifestation of GOD and all these question will go away .
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4/15/2016 3:57:41 PM
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At 4/15/2016 3:24:17 PM, Pandit wrote:
Till we believe God is a being with features and qualities , There will be humans who will challenge its existence . Start looking at Cosmos as manifestation of GOD and all these question will go away .

That's still a feeling, a belief, an opinion based on nothing but personal desire for some kind of supernatural creator and has no meaning in reality.
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4/15/2016 4:06:21 PM
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At 4/15/2016 3:57:41 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:24:17 PM, Pandit wrote:
Till we believe God is a being with features and qualities , There will be humans who will challenge its existence . Start looking at Cosmos as manifestation of GOD and all these question will go away .

That's still a feeling, a belief, an opinion based on nothing but personal desire for some kind of supernatural creator and has no meaning in reality.

May Be !

For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything that exists , Existed and Will exist .
For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything , manifested and Un-manifested .
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4/15/2016 4:09:28 PM
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At 4/15/2016 4:06:21 PM, Pandit wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:57:41 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:24:17 PM, Pandit wrote:
Till we believe God is a being with features and qualities , There will be humans who will challenge its existence . Start looking at Cosmos as manifestation of GOD and all these question will go away .

That's still a feeling, a belief, an opinion based on nothing but personal desire for some kind of supernatural creator and has no meaning in reality.

May Be !

For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything that exists , Existed and Will exist .
For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything , manifested and Un-manifested .

I emphasize the words 'For me'. That's exactly my point. It's something you wish to believe but has no reasons attached to convince anyone else to believe it.
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4/15/2016 4:11:27 PM
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The thing that boggles me most about certain atheists is how they can assume so much with so little information and then in pretense act as if they are being scientific.

It's like they don't even believe in isolating variables. How do you speak to this?

If you could imagine God speaking to you, the name that he would give would be "I Am that I Am"

As it is written in the Qu'ran...

"Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe. God has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment."

When we talk about God, we are talking about The Truth. If you deny the truth, you are an idiot, and absolutely nothing you say has any grounding. You might as well be making things up.

The fact is, atheism is a position of ignorance or petulance. There are people who deny God who don't know what the concept is supposed to represent. Or do you think it is written in vain, "Only a fool says in their heart that there is no God." These are not empty words. Then there are people who deny God because they look at the world and are incapable of accepting it for what it is. They have made themselves the judge of right and wrong, and in doing so they have fallen from grace.

Pride comes before a fall, and it is true! Let the prideful be prideful! There is only so much a man can do. God is the one who hardens and softens hearts as he wills, and God is the only one who saves. Who am I but a fallible human being? I desire to help out of compassion, but I am aware of the futility. I am but a messenger.

The path of correction is sincerity of faith and charity. Sincere faith alone very easily leads to fanaticism. Charity alone very easily leads to bitterness and insecurity. The way is integrity, the way is earnestness.

Without charity, you damn yourself. If only you were aware of God's mercy! If only you were grateful for the grace that God has bestowed on you! Oh wicked people, you surely deserve the fiery hell that you are cursed with. If only you'd turn back on your wicked ways, and acknowledge The Truth!

The truth is what sets you free. I am not talking about the idolizing of man, of man made institution, or of anything in creation! I am talking about The One True God. The light that shines in the darkness, the light that those whose hearts are corrupt are incapable of comprehending! Turn away from your wicked ways, and accept God's forgiveness. It will be better for you. It's still not too late!

When that surest of events takes place, your screams for mercy will be unheard, and you will be plainly told by The Almighty, "You had your chance, and you have been given many opportunities to turn your back away from wickedness and falsehood. You have ignored my words, though I have spoken to you from the day of your forming, you have turned away from me. I forgave your debts, and you took it as an opportunity to collect from those who owed you! I clothed and fed you, and like the miser, refused to help those who are in need. I looked past your iniquities for a time in order that you may come to repentance, but you in your arrogance denied me and took yourself to be God! Foolish man, you have denied my signs and demanded miracles. You have ignored my words, and followed after your vain lusts! Oh corrupted man, if you only knew that I Am the Judge, and my judgement is law. Cast you are into the fire, where you will weep and gnash your teeth, for you show no remorse for your sins, and your lack of charity has cursed you into judgment!"
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/15/2016 4:13:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 4:09:28 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/15/2016 4:06:21 PM, Pandit wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:57:41 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 4/15/2016 3:24:17 PM, Pandit wrote:
Till we believe God is a being with features and qualities , There will be humans who will challenge its existence . Start looking at Cosmos as manifestation of GOD and all these question will go away .

That's still a feeling, a belief, an opinion based on nothing but personal desire for some kind of supernatural creator and has no meaning in reality.

May Be !

For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything that exists , Existed and Will exist .
For me GOD is a Principle Which binds everything , manifested and Un-manifested .

I emphasize the words 'For me'. That's exactly my point. It's something you wish to believe but has no reasons attached to convince anyone else to believe it.

Yup ! And there is no need to Convince others .