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4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)
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4/13/2016 6:49:33 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Judaism

Deuteronomy 15:12-14 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you."

Jeremiah 34:14" At the end of seven years each of you shall set free his Hebrew brother who has been sold to you and has served you six years, you shall send him out free from you; but your forefathers (B)did not obey Me or incline their ear to Me."
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4/13/2016 7:26:44 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:49:33 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Judaism

Deuteronomy 15:12-14 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you."

Jeremiah 34:14" At the end of seven years each of you shall set free his Hebrew brother who has been sold to you and has served you six years, you shall send him out free from you; but your forefathers (B)did not obey Me or incline their ear to Me."

The point remains; that slavery is never condemned as being wrong. And as these quotes clearly attest, the authors of scripture did not believe it to be wrong.
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4/13/2016 7:52:05 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 7:26:44 PM, PureX wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:49:33 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Judaism

Deuteronomy 15:12-14 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you."

Jeremiah 34:14" At the end of seven years each of you shall set free his Hebrew brother who has been sold to you and has served you six years, you shall send him out free from you; but your forefathers (B)did not obey Me or incline their ear to Me."

The point remains; that slavery is never condemned as being wrong.

That wasn't the point. The point was that no other religion besides Islam advocates freeing slaves. I refuted that point.

And as these quotes clearly attest, the authors of scripture did not believe it to be wrong.

That is correct, but beside the point.
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4/13/2016 8:01:37 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:49:33 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Judaism

Deuteronomy 15:12-14 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you."

Jeremiah 34:14" At the end of seven years each of you shall set free his Hebrew brother who has been sold to you and has served you six years, you shall send him out free from you; but your forefathers (B)did not obey Me or incline their ear to Me."

lol its racist in the first place why its not about Gentiles? Hebrews... and these passages r so funny. so what u learn is

1 - u can sell buy slaves.
2 - when u buy a Hebrew slave he should serve u 7 years, so if he works for u 5 years and u decide to sell him to other ppl so he keeps being a slave right? thats not freeing its playing fool around.

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 ""Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

hebrew slaves 7 years, Gentiles for life. great.
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4/13/2016 8:17:42 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Slavery isn"t a Christian or Israeli idea, though yes is was left to be what it is. As far as slavery in the Jewish context it was used for punishment in the Torah as for example if a thief didn"t have the ability to restore what he stole then he might have to serve his victim for x amount of years in slavery or sold to slavery.
Slavery was there before Abraham and before Jesus Christ. Neither established the institution. But it was a Christian institution that began the campaign to eradicate slavery in western culture. It started at Essex hall Unitarians put English parliament on notice of its immoral dealings in slavery back in the day which was a Christian organization at the time. And the rest was history. Lord and servant isn"t intrinsically evil like people like you try to make it, it"s the people who execute it. Same with types of governments if evil is in charge then evil it is, if the up-right are in charge then up-right it is.

And it was a Christian preacher that spearheaded the civil rights movement, no atheists or Muslims noted there. Militants maybe, but not the kind that gets legal results.

maybe you should do some research before you start brain farting ignorance in public.
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4/13/2016 8:21:53 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 8:01:37 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:49:33 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Judaism

Deuteronomy 15:12-14 "If your kinsman, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you, then he shall serve you six years, but in the seventh year you shall set him free. 13 When you set him free, you shall not send him away empty-handed. 14 You shall furnish him liberally from your flock and from your threshing floor and from your wine vat; you shall give to him as the Lord your God has blessed you."

Jeremiah 34:14" At the end of seven years each of you shall set free his Hebrew brother who has been sold to you and has served you six years, you shall send him out free from you; but your forefathers (B)did not obey Me or incline their ear to Me."

lol its racist in the first place why its not about Gentiles? Hebrews... and these passages r so funny. so what u learn is

1 - u can sell buy slaves.
2 - when u buy a Hebrew slave he should serve u 7 years, so if he works for u 5 years and u decide to sell him to other ppl so he keeps being a slave right? thats not freeing its playing fool around.

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 ""Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.

hebrew slaves 7 years, Gentiles for life. great.

POP, you challenged your readers on the basis that Islam is the only religion that advocates setting slaves free. I proved you wrong. Instead of raising a red herring, the honest thing would be to admit you were wrong.
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4/13/2016 8:27:52 PM
Posted: 8 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam?

Not Islam.

"The Zanj Rebellion was a major uprising against the Abbasid Caliphate. It was centered near the city of Basra, located in present-day southern Iraq, and lasted over a period of fourteen years (AD 869"883) before finally being defeated. The insurrection is traditionally believed to have involved enslaved blacks (Zanj) that had originally been captured from the East African coast and transported to the Middle East. It grew to involve many slaves and free men from several regions of the Muslim empire and claimed tens of thousands of lives in lower Iraq."

https://en.wikipedia.org...

where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

Slavery was common back then, most if not all holy books never condemned it but often made minor concessions for the slaves, but they still remained slaves. It took the brains of men to create it and the brains of men to condemn it, no gods were required.
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4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?
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4/14/2016 2:03:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...".

Slavery inherently is a violation of a basic tenement of human rights.
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4/14/2016 2:11:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:03:19 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...".

Slavery inherently is a violation of a basic tenement of human rights.

How funny that an atheist would quote a document that premised rights on the existence of God. In atheism, all men are nothing but evolved pond scum where the only moral is survival of the fittest, which is to say there are no rights. But nevertheless, where did this silly idea of human rights as an objective moral standard come from in Atheistland?
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4/14/2016 2:12:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?

Let us sell steggles into slavery and see if he likes it.
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4/14/2016 2:14:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?

Sell yourself to another person, become a slave and then ask us again that question. You won't need to ask it.
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4/14/2016 2:16:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:11:35 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:03:19 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/14/2016 2:00:30 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

What is wrong with slavery such that we would oppose it?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...".

Slavery inherently is a violation of a basic tenement of human rights.

How funny that an atheist would quote a document that premised rights on the existence of God.

Interesting its that "We" (the people) hold these truths to be self evident, where as according to the Bible, God does not.

In atheism, all men are nothing but evolved pond scum where the only moral is survival of the fittest,

Bare assertion, and if all men are evolved pond scum, they are still equal.

which is to say there are no rights.

Inherently, correct, which is why we have to hold rights as opposed to rights being derived of their own accord.

But nevertheless, where did this silly idea of human rights as an objective moral standard come from in Atheistland?

'equality'. You already said it yourself.
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4/14/2016 2:27:44 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 7:52:05 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 7:26:44 PM, PureX wrote:

The point remains; that slavery is never condemned as being wrong.

That wasn't the point. The point was that no other religion besides Islam advocates freeing slaves. I refuted that point.

So you think this semantic technicality somehow negates the fact that Judeo-Christian scripture condones slavery?

And as these quotes clearly attest, the authors of scripture did not believe it to be wrong.

That is correct, but beside the point.

Oh, I think you would very much like it to be beside the point, but, in fact, I think this is exactly the point. Because if Judeo-Christian scripture condones slavery, and "God breathed" that scripture, then apparently, the Judeo-Christian God condones slavery.

Something people ought to consider, don't you think?
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4/14/2016 3:47:56 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 2:27:44 PM, PureX wrote:
At 4/13/2016 7:52:05 PM, philochristos wrote:
At 4/13/2016 7:26:44 PM, PureX wrote:

The point remains; that slavery is never condemned as being wrong.

That wasn't the point. The point was that no other religion besides Islam advocates freeing slaves. I refuted that point.

So you think this semantic technicality somehow negates the fact that Judeo-Christian scripture condones slavery?

This is not a semantic technicality, and you know it. It was you trying to change the topic.

And as these quotes clearly attest, the authors of scripture did not believe it to be wrong.

That is correct, but beside the point.

Oh, I think you would very much like it to be beside the point, but, in fact, I think this is exactly the point.

Then you have poor reading comprehension. Read the op again.

Because if Judeo-Christian scripture condones slavery, and "God breathed" that scripture, then apparently, the Judeo-Christian God condones slavery.

Something people ought to consider, don't you think?

Sure. . .after they acknowledge that Islam is NOT the only religion that says to free slaves since that was the point of this thread. Read these words: "which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam?" I answered that question explicitly when I said, "Judaism." Then I gave scriptural references that proved my point. It's as simple as that. Why can't you have the integrity to just say, "By golly, Philochristos was right. Islam is NOT the only religion that says to free slaves. Judaism does, too. Now, let's move on to a different subject. . ."
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4/14/2016 3:55:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/13/2016 6:22:57 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
which religions say explicitly free the slaves except Islam? where its system is constructed to eradicate slavery. today all over the media u will see on media slavery & Islam but the paradox is most of them r christians and jews who criticize. why in any version of bible there is no 1 word about freeing slaves? the truth is its opposite its supports slavery all the way.

oh and brontoraptor waiting for your response a hero for christianity :)

John 8:35 Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever.

POPOO5560 Become a child of God be set free!!

All are slaves of sin!!!
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4/14/2016 3:56:19 PM
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It is always fun to watch the mentally ill try to deal with reality. The Declaration of Independence says that the self-evident truth is that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain rights. It is not an atheistic document. Indeed, this fool confuses the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence. Ironically, neither document was seen as forbidding slavery and none mention equality, at least as originally conceived.

And where would an atheist get the silly idea that all pond scum is equal when their worldview says some pond scum is more fit than other pond scum which is to say not equal.

I am still looking for a rational argument that says slavery is objectively wrong. Atheism say enslave anyone you are more fit than.
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4/14/2016 4:06:44 PM
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At 4/14/2016 3:56:19 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It is always fun to watch the mentally ill try to deal with reality. The Declaration of Independence says that the self-evident truth is that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain rights. It is not an atheistic document. Indeed, this fool confuses the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence. Ironically, neither document was seen as forbidding slavery and none mention equality, at least as originally conceived.

And where would an atheist get the silly idea that all pond scum is equal when their worldview says some pond scum is more fit than other pond scum which is to say not equal.

I am still looking for a rational argument that says slavery is objectively wrong. Atheism say enslave anyone you are more fit than.

The eminent psychiatrist Dr. Steggles gives his famous online diagnosis again. ie everyone that disagrees with him is mad.

Just where does "atheism" say that, steggsy?
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4/14/2016 4:15:50 PM
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At 4/14/2016 3:56:19 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It is always fun to watch the mentally ill try to deal with reality. The Declaration of Independence says that the self-evident truth is that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain rights.

Mm hm. And why does man need to hold those rights instead of God enforcing them? Why must we (the people) hold these truths?

It is not an atheistic document. Indeed, this fool confuses the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence.

No, I didn't.

Ironically, neither document was seen as forbidding slavery and none mention equality, at least as originally conceived.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal". I am not terribly sure how you state that none mention equality. Secondly, it could be argued that the founding fathers framed the Constitution with the idea of knowing that as time wore on, slavery would become obsolete, or disfavored as it was in other countries. Lastly, the SCotUS was given the power to interpret those documents as a means of abolishing slavery. And guess what happened.

And where would an atheist get the silly idea that all pond scum is equal when their worldview says some pond scum is more fit than other pond scum which is to say not equal.

Oh? Where is that stated? What atheistic doctrine holds that as truth?

I am still looking for a rational argument that says slavery is objectively wrong. Atheism say enslave anyone you are more fit than.

Citation needed, show me anywhere where some doctrine of atheism declares that. Currently, you are trying to pawn of strawman arguments and bare assertion as fact. Cite your sources, then move forward.
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4/14/2016 4:18:50 PM
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I love how he cannot even accurately quote the document.

And did he really deny that atheism is built on the notion of survival of the fittest?

And I am still waiting for an argument that says slavery is objective morally wrong. But I will not hold my breath.
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4/14/2016 4:26:39 PM
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At 4/14/2016 4:18:50 PM, ViceRegent wrote:

I love how he cannot even accurately quote the document.

I quoted the DoI word for word, then later inserted whom was being described in the "We" portion. If you feel I have misquoted it, please provide the correct quote.


And did he really deny that atheism is built on the notion of survival of the fittest?

Yes. Prove otherwise.

And I am still waiting for an argument that says slavery is objective morally wrong. But I will not hold my breath.

Since you are keen to disregard my assessment, lets examine the your counter position. Since you are asking for proof of my assertion (slavery is morally wrong), this must mean you are in some way opposing it. That being, you feel slavery is morally, objectively acceptable. Is that fact or fiction?
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4/14/2016 4:29:03 PM
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I am still waiting for an atheist, any atheist, to prove their assertion that slavery is objectively morally wrong?
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4/14/2016 4:34:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:26:39 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:18:50 PM, ViceRegent wrote:

I love how he cannot even accurately quote the document.

I quoted the DoI word for word, then later inserted whom was being described in the "We" portion. If you feel I have misquoted it, please provide the correct quote.


And did he really deny that atheism is built on the notion of survival of the fittest?

Yes. Prove otherwise.

And I am still waiting for an argument that says slavery is objective morally wrong. But I will not hold my breath.

Since you are keen to disregard my assessment, lets examine the your counter position. Since you are asking for proof of my assertion (slavery is morally wrong), this must mean you are in some way opposing it. That being, you feel slavery is morally, objectively acceptable. Is that fact or fiction?

Atheism is non belief or disbelief in god or gods, steggsy. Survival of the fittest is more to do with biology.
Are you going to argue the case that slavery is morally justifiable?
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4/14/2016 4:35:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:29:03 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
I am still waiting for an atheist, any atheist, to prove their assertion that slavery is objectively morally wrong?

That was already done.

Now its your turn to justify your assertions.
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4/14/2016 4:39:43 PM
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At 4/14/2016 3:56:19 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It is always fun to watch the mentally ill try to deal with reality. The Declaration of Independence says that the self-evident truth is that all men are endowed by their Creator with certain rights. It is not an atheistic document. Indeed, this fool confuses the Constitution with the Declaration of Independence. Ironically, neither document was seen as forbidding slavery and none mention equality, at least as originally conceived.

They would be even more enraged to understand that these lines from the Declaration of Independence were based on Catholic thought.

http://www.catholiceducation.org...

Now Catholicism was against chattel slavery...
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4/14/2016 4:43:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:36:48 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It was? I must have missed it. Provide it again. Thanks.

Men are created equally. There is no inherent advantage or disadvantage to that.

As such, there can be no inherent placing of value one man over another, inherently.

What part of this is giving you trouble, and we are still awaiting any form of evidence to your previous assertions. Thanks.
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4/14/2016 4:50:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:43:38 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:36:48 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It was? I must have missed it. Provide it again. Thanks.

Men are created equally. There is no inherent advantage or disadvantage to that.

As such, there can be no inherent placing of value one man over another, inherently.

What part of this is giving you trouble, and we are still awaiting any form of evidence to your previous assertions. Thanks.

An atheist saying men are created equally? ROFL I find it funny that to pretend slavery I immoral this fool must abandon his atheism.

And it a non-sequitur to go from created equally to slavery is objectively immoral. I will give him one more chance to make a rational argument.
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4/14/2016 4:54:21 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/14/2016 4:50:33 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:43:38 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/14/2016 4:36:48 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
It was? I must have missed it. Provide it again. Thanks.

Men are created equally. There is no inherent advantage or disadvantage to that.

As such, there can be no inherent placing of value one man over another, inherently.

What part of this is giving you trouble, and we are still awaiting any form of evidence to your previous assertions. Thanks.

An atheist saying men are created equally?

Yes, that would be correct, if you don't find that to be the case, please tell me where the inherent inequality is.

And it a non-sequitur to go from created equally to slavery is objectively immoral. I will give him one more chance to make a rational argument.

It follows that if inherently we are all equal, that is how we should stay in terms of rights.

Rather than ignore or dismiss argumentation, it would serve you better to demonstrate the problems in the line of logic rather than dismissing out right. Do you have any specific criticism?

Again, what doesn't follow?
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