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brontoraptor
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4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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4/16/2016 11:46:58 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
What Jehovah's Witnesses Don't tell You

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"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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tarantula
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4/16/2016 12:58:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)

Whilst MCB and other JWs talk garbage, so do you. You can't verify any of your outpourings anymore than they can. The Bible is not evidence and open to as many interpretations as the human imagination can contrive.
brontoraptor
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4/16/2016 10:08:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/16/2016 12:58:22 PM, tarantula wrote:
At 4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)

Whilst MCB and other JWs talk garbage, so do you. You can't verify any of your outpourings anymore than they can. The Bible is not evidence and open to as many interpretations as the human imagination can contrive.

Okay. Give us your interpretation of Isaiah 9:6.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
graceofgod
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4/16/2016 10:19:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)
how the jw's manage to make Jesus in to the angel michael is beyond me that's for sure...
Elihu
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4/17/2016 2:00:40 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)
You acts like JWs have never discussed it:
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com...
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
(John 4:24)
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4/17/2016 2:55:27 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:00:40 AM, Elihu wrote:
At 4/15/2016 8:20:11 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Isaiah 9:6 refers to the Son and Father and God all as one "He".

This is from Judaism about the Messiah to come. Christians couldn't have tampered with it or twisted it as JW's try to claim. This is the words from the Jews themselves, who are not Christians.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
(Isaiah 9:6)
You acts like JWs have never discussed it:
http://defendingjehovahswitnesses.blogspot.com...

They've discussed a lot of things...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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4/17/2016 2:55:53 AM
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Remember Deut. 18:22, "If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him." If someone makes a false prophecy and they have claimed to be a prophet of God, then they are false prophets and are not to be listened to. Do the Witnesses claim to be the prophet of God? Yes, they do.

In 1972 the Jehovah's Witness Watchtower claimed to be the prophet of God.

1897 "Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present, since October 1874," (Studies in the Scriptures, vol. 4, p. 621).
1899 " . . . the 'battle of the great day of God Almighty' (Revelation 16:14), which will end in A.D. 1914 with the complete overthrow of earth's present rulership, is already commenced," (The Time Is at Hand, 1908 edition, p. 101).
1916 "The Bible chronology herein presented shows that the six great 1000 year days beginning with Adam are ended, and that the great 7th Day, the 1000 years of Christ's Reign, began in 1873," (The Time Is at Hand, forward, p. ii).
1918 "Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews 11, to the condition of human perfection," (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, p. 89).
1922 "The date 1925 is even more distinctly indicated by the Scriptures than 1914," (Watchtower, Sept. 1, 1922, p. 262).
1923 "Our thought is, that 1925 is definitely settled by the Scriptures. As to Noah, the Christian now has much more upon which to base his faith than Noah had upon which to base his faith in a coming deluge," (Watchtower, Apr. 1, 1923, p. 106).
1925 "The year 1925 is here. With great expectation Christians have looked forward to this year. Many have confidently expected that all members of the body of Christ will be changed to heavenly glory during this year. This may be accomplished. It may not be. In his own due time God will accomplish his purposes concerning his people. Christians should not be so deeply concerned about what may transpire this year," (Watchtower, Jan. 1, 1925, p. 3).
1925 "It is to be expected that Satan will try to inject into the minds of the consecrated, the thought that 1925 should see an end to the work," (Watchtower, Sept., 1925, p. 262).
1926 "Some anticipated that the work would end in 1925, but the Lord did not state so. The difficulty was that the friends inflated their imaginations beyond reason; and that when their imaginations burst asunder, they were inclined to throw away everything," (Watchtower, p. 232).
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
Peternosaint
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4/19/2016 12:02:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
The New Catholic Encyclopedia states: "The formulation "one God in three Persons" was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th century. But it is precisely this formulation that has first claim to the title the Trinitarian dogma. Among the Apostolic Fathers, there had been nothing even remotely approaching such a mentality or perspective.""(1967), Vol. XIV, p. 299.

According to the Nouveau Dictionnaire Universel, "The Platonic trinity, itself merely a rearrangement of older trinities dating back to earlier peoples, appears to be the rational philosophic trinity of attributes that gave birth to the three hypostases or divine persons taught by the Christian churches. . . . This Greek philosopher"s [Plato, fourth century B.C.E.] conception of the divine trinity . . . can be found in all the ancient [pagan] religions.""(Paris, 1865-1870), edited by M. Lach"tre, Vol. 2, p. 1467.

John L. McKenzie, S.J., in his Dictionary of the Bible, says: "The trinity of persons within the unity of nature is defined in terms of "person" and "nature" which are G[ree]k philosophical terms; actually the terms do not appear in the Bible. The trinitarian definitions arose as the result of long controversies in which these terms and others such as "essence" and "substance" were erroneously applied to God by some theologians.""(New York, 1965), p. 899.