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4/17/2016 1:26:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Islam ignores the God of Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

So what do Ishmael's children do still today? Bow to a black stone.

http://youtu.be...

What are they actually bowing to? The black stone. (Pictures)

http://www.crystalinks.com...

What do God's children NOT DO?

"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."
(1 Kings 19:18)

Baal was an idol worshipped like a god.

So what do Muslims go and do? Try to kiss the stone that they bow to.

http://muslimmatters.org...

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Ishmael:

"This son of yours will be a wild man, and untamed! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all."
(Genesis 16:12)

Ishmael's seed are not of God.

"And she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
(Genesis 21:10)

"But God told Abraham, "Do not be upset over the boy and your servant. Do whatever Sarah tells you, for Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted."
(Genesis 21:12)

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4/17/2016 2:04:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Muslims do not worship a rock.

To be frank, it's a lot easier to make the case that Christian worship a man as God. Indeed, a lot of theologically ignorant Christians do make this error.

...But "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life"
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:04:49 AM
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There is nothing in the Qur'an that should lead anyone to believe that they worship anything other than The One True God.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:08:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:04:04 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Muslims do not worship a rock.


To be frank, it's a lot easier to make the case that Christian worship a man as God. Indeed, a lot of theologically ignorant Christians do make this error.

...But "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life"

Is that right? Then why bow to it...
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4/17/2016 2:12:01 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:04:04 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Muslims do not worship a rock.


To be frank, it's a lot easier to make the case that Christian worship a man as God. Indeed, a lot of theologically ignorant Christians do make this error.

...But "as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life"

It doesn't use the word worship. Read it again. What can you not do to the stone?
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4/17/2016 2:12:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/17/2016 2:12:36 AM
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It isn't to worship the rock, that's for sure.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:14:27 AM
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Yet, what were the 10 commandments written on?

A graven image of stone.

Yeah, these things are done on purpose.

Look up the fiery serpent that Moses lifted up in the desert when the Jews were complaining. It might surprise you.

That same artifact appears later on in the book of Kings. It pretty much had to be destroyed because people were performing profane rituals to it.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:18:16 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:14:27 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Yet, what were the 10 commandments written on?

A graven image of stone.


Yeah, these things are done on purpose.

Look up the fiery serpent that Moses lifted up in the desert when the Jews were complaining. It might surprise you.

That same artifact appears later on in the book of Kings. It pretty much had to be destroyed because people were performing profane rituals to it.

No one bowed to the 10 commandments.
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4/17/2016 2:19:16 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:12:36 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It isn't to worship the rock, that's for sure.

The verse says nothing about "worshipping the rock".
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/17/2016 2:21:47 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
You're missing the point.

Muslims don't worship a black rock.

Christians are not supposed to worship man.

Jews are not supposed to worship the 10 commandments or the bronze serpent.

These are created things. Scripture tells us not to worship created things.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:23:27 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:14:27 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Yet, what were the 10 commandments written on?

A graven image of stone.


Yeah, these things are done on purpose.

Look up the fiery serpent that Moses lifted up in the desert when the Jews were complaining. It might surprise you.

That same artifact appears later on in the book of Kings. It pretty much had to be destroyed because people were performing profane rituals to it.

I've done every Biblical study imaginable. I'm not surprised by any of what's in it. By those studies, there is a 0% chance that Islam and Christianity serve the same God. The book of John tells us what antichrist is. Denying the divinity of Christ is abtichrist by definition. TheQuran denies word for word the divinity of Christ. I've read that book to. If you are interested in the various ways to kill Christians and Jews, the Quran should be great reading.
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4/17/2016 2:25:21 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:21:47 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
You're missing the point.

Muslims don't worship a black rock.

Christians are not supposed to worship man.

Jews are not supposed to worship the 10 commandments or the bronze serpent.


These are created things. Scripture tells us not to worship created things.

It doesn't matter if they "worship" the stone. The verse says eord for word. Do not bow to a stone. This is in direct violation of the God of Abraham.
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4/17/2016 2:26:57 AM
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Yeah, they aren't talking about the same thing.

The Qur'an is specifically talking about the man. They aren't talking about the God in Jesus, who is in you.

It's a theological misunderstanding that Muslims and Christians have toward each other.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:29:28 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:21:47 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
You're missing the point.

Muslims don't worship a black rock.

Christians are not supposed to worship man.

Jews are not supposed to worship the 10 commandments or the bronze serpent.


These are created things. Scripture tells us not to worship created things.

Explain to us:

1)Why Muslims bow to the stone.

2)Why you don't bow to a stone.
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4/17/2016 2:30:46 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:26:57 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Yeah, they aren't talking about the same thing.

The Qur'an is specifically talking about the man. They aren't talking about the God in Jesus, who is in you.

It's a theological misunderstanding that Muslims and Christians have toward each other.

The Quean says you are a polytheist, an unbeliever, and worthy of death. Pull out a copy of the Quran or google it.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/17/2016 2:35:46 AM
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At 4/17/2016 1:26:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Islam ignores the God of Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

So what do Ishmael's children do still today? Bow to a black stone.

http://youtu.be...

What are they actually bowing to? The black stone. (Pictures)

http://www.crystalinks.com...

What do God's children NOT DO?

"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."
(1 Kings 19:18)

Baal was an idol worshipped like a god.

So what do Muslims go and do? Try to kiss the stone that they bow to.

http://muslimmatters.org...


*

Ishmael:

"This son of yours will be a wild man, and untamed! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all."
(Genesis 16:12)

Ishmael's seed are not of God.

"And she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
(Genesis 21:10)

"But God told Abraham, "Do not be upset over the boy and your servant. Do whatever Sarah tells you, for Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted."
(Genesis 21:12)

They worship the same Abrahamic god. It is always about how one perceives what God is that matters
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4/17/2016 2:36:14 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:26:57 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Yeah, they aren't talking about the same thing.

The Qur'an is specifically talking about the man. They aren't talking about the God in Jesus, who is in you.

It's a theological misunderstanding that Muslims and Christians have toward each other.

How would you describe what is happening in this video?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/17/2016 2:36:59 AM
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That would be the stone in the silver case.

http://youtu.be...
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4/17/2016 2:38:36 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:35:46 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 4/17/2016 1:26:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Islam ignores the God of Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

So what do Ishmael's children do still today? Bow to a black stone.

http://youtu.be...

What are they actually bowing to? The black stone. (Pictures)

http://www.crystalinks.com...

What do God's children NOT DO?

"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."
(1 Kings 19:18)

Baal was an idol worshipped like a god.

So what do Muslims go and do? Try to kiss the stone that they bow to.

http://muslimmatters.org...


*

Ishmael:

"This son of yours will be a wild man, and untamed! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all."
(Genesis 16:12)

Ishmael's seed are not of God.

"And she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
(Genesis 21:10)

"But God told Abraham, "Do not be upset over the boy and your servant. Do whatever Sarah tells you, for Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted."
(Genesis 21:12)

They worship the same Abrahamic god. It is always about how one perceives what God is that matters

The Bible says Ishmael's seed will not inherit God's promise. Muslims are the seed of Ishmael. Is God incorrect in His assessment?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/17/2016 2:43:03 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:04:49 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
There is nothing in the Qur'an that should lead anyone to believe that they worship anything other than The One True God.

Your claim indicates that Christ was wrong in His assessment when He said,"I am the way, the truth and the life. No on comes to God but by me." Muslims don't "come to God by Christ." The Quran denies that Jesus was divine. And it denies that Christ died for your sins.
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4/17/2016 2:51:09 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:29:28 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:21:47 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
You're missing the point.

Muslims don't worship a black rock.

Christians are not supposed to worship man.

Jews are not supposed to worship the 10 commandments or the bronze serpent.


These are created things. Scripture tells us not to worship created things.

Explain to us:

1)Why Muslims bow to the stone.

Tradition. Culture. Identity. Superstition. They don't worship the stone though, or at least, they aren't supposed to.

2)Why you don't bow to a stone.

I don't need to. Muslims don't need to either. this ritual should be an enlightening moment to a Muslim who is sincere in faith. There is a reason why they are supposed to do it once in their life. It should be a revealing moment.

Just as the Revelation of Jesus Christ destroys idolatry of man, institution, scripture, and created things, these rituals are done in order to complete something that is very necessary.

It is what it is. The Catholics have a lot of really strange practices too, but they know what they are doing.

It's gotta be this way. I ain't gonna pretend to understand it all, but I can see how it would complete certain formulas.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:54:50 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:43:03 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:04:49 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
There is nothing in the Qur'an that should lead anyone to believe that they worship anything other than The One True God.

Your claim indicates that Christ was wrong in His assessment when He said,"I am the way, the truth and the life. No on comes to God but by me." Muslims don't "come to God by Christ." The Quran denies that Jesus was divine. And it denies that Christ died for your sins.

Jesus is also referred to in scripture as "The most perfect image"

The image isn't the man walking around either. The Apostles figured that out at Pentecost.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:55:33 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:38:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:35:46 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 4/17/2016 1:26:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Islam ignores the God of Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

So what do Ishmael's children do still today? Bow to a black stone.

http://youtu.be...

What are they actually bowing to? The black stone. (Pictures)

http://www.crystalinks.com...

What do God's children NOT DO?

"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."
(1 Kings 19:18)

Baal was an idol worshipped like a god.

So what do Muslims go and do? Try to kiss the stone that they bow to.

http://muslimmatters.org...


*

Ishmael:

"This son of yours will be a wild man, and untamed! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all."
(Genesis 16:12)

Ishmael's seed are not of God.

"And she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
(Genesis 21:10)

"But God told Abraham, "Do not be upset over the boy and your servant. Do whatever Sarah tells you, for Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted."
(Genesis 21:12)

They worship the same Abrahamic god. It is always about how one perceives what God is that matters

The Bible says Ishmael's seed will not inherit God's promise. Muslims are the seed of Ishmael. Is God incorrect in His assessment?

Last I checked, the world is run by Jews.

I don't think that promise was ever broken.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:56:47 AM
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Look, if you damn the Muslims for this, you damn yourself.

I'm just being real.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 2:57:19 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:55:33 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:38:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:35:46 AM, lotsoffun wrote:
At 4/17/2016 1:26:59 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Islam ignores the God of Abraham.

"'Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

So what do Ishmael's children do still today? Bow to a black stone.

http://youtu.be...

What are they actually bowing to? The black stone. (Pictures)

http://www.crystalinks.com...

What do God's children NOT DO?

"Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel, all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal, and every mouth which hath not kissed him."
(1 Kings 19:18)

Baal was an idol worshipped like a god.

So what do Muslims go and do? Try to kiss the stone that they bow to.

http://muslimmatters.org...


*

Ishmael:

"This son of yours will be a wild man, and untamed! He will raise his fist against everyone, and everyone will be against him. Yes, he will live in open hostility against all."
(Genesis 16:12)

Ishmael's seed are not of God.

"And she said to Abraham, "Get rid of that slave woman and her son, for that woman's son will never share in the inheritance with my son Isaac."
(Genesis 21:10)

"But God told Abraham, "Do not be upset over the boy and your servant. Do whatever Sarah tells you, for Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted."
(Genesis 21:12)

They worship the same Abrahamic god. It is always about how one perceives what God is that matters

The Bible says Ishmael's seed will not inherit God's promise. Muslims are the seed of Ishmael. Is God incorrect in His assessment?

Last I checked, the world is run by Jews.

I don't think that promise was ever broken.

Do you claim there is another way to God than through Christ?
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4/17/2016 2:59:10 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:57:19 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Do you claim there is another way to God than through Christ?

Of course not.

God is Christ.

God is Salvation.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 3:17:52 AM
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At 4/17/2016 2:56:47 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Look, if you damn the Muslims for this, you damn yourself.

I'm just being real.

I'm not damning anyone. I'm quoting scripture and showing you real life. I am saved by grace through Christ and none other. You appear to have a universalist belief. If true, universalism is not Biblical. It's the belief of "itching ears". Do you reject that Jesus Christ is the only way of salvation and the only way to God?
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4/17/2016 3:18:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
The letter of the law kills, but the spirit of the law gives life.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/17/2016 3:19:01 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/17/2016 2:59:10 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/17/2016 2:57:19 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Do you claim there is another way to God than through Christ?

Of course not.

God is Christ.

God is Salvation.

Muslims do not believe in any salvation through Christ. Are they correct in their assessment?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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