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4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

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Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

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Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

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Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/18/2016 9:33:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
There is nothing in The Qur'an about the black stone.

What do you have to say about that? Are you going to open yourself to the whole, "Christians pray through statues of saints" argument? I'm sure you are well aware of the fallacy in that as it pertains to Christians. Now understand how what you are saying is that same fallacy.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/18/2016 9:47:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
THE FIRST PHRASE: "There is no god but God"
In this phrase is an affirmation of the unity of the Godhead and of the True Object of Worship. An extremely powerful proof of this degree is as follows:

A most orderly activity is apparent on the face of the universe, especially on the page of the earth. And we observe there a most wise creativity. And we clearly see a systematic unfolding; that is, everything being expanded and revealed and given an appropriate shape and form. Furthermore, we see a most compassionate, generous, and merciful munificence and bountifulness. Since this is so, it of necessity proves, indeed provokes awareness of, the necessary existence and unity of an Active, Creative, Opening, and Munificent Possessor of Glory.

Indeed, the constant evanescence and renewal of beings demonstrate that those beings are the manifestations of the sacred names of an All-Powerful Maker, and are shadows of the lights of His names; that they are works of art produced by His actions, and impressions and pages inscribed by the pen of divine determining (kader) and power; that they are mirrors reflecting the beauty of His perfection.

Just as the Owner of the universe proves this mighty truth and exalted degree of the affirmation of His unity with all the scriptures and sacred books that He has revealed, so have the people of truth and the perfected members of the human race proved it through their investigations and discoveries. The universe too points to this degree through the unceasing testimonies of the miracles of art, wonders of power, and treasuries of wealth that it displays, despite its impotence and poverty. That is to say, the scriptures and books of the Pre-Eternal Witness, and the investigations and unveilings of the people of witnessing, and the orderly states and wise and purposeful functions of the Manifest World are united in their agreement on this degree of the affirmation of divine unity.

Those who do not accept the Single One of Unity (V"hid-i Ehad), therefore, must either accept innumerable gods, or else like the foolish Sophists, deny both their own existence and that of the universe.
...from the risale-i nur collection
...source: risale-i nur collection
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4/18/2016 10:34:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 9:33:46 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
There is nothing in The Qur'an about the black stone.

What do you have to say about that? Are you going to open yourself to the whole, "Christians pray through statues of saints" argument? I'm sure you are well aware of the fallacy in that as it pertains to Christians. Now understand how what you are saying is that same fallacy.

I know zero Christians that "pray through saints or statues". If someone does, that's on them, not me.

Secondly, Islam does not only read the Quran. Muslims read the Sunnah as well, and they go off of the hadiths, ancient and modern, depending on sect. All Muslims find the stone sacred. All. Not some. All.

Finally, I cann see exactly what is happening here. I'malways amazed watching leftist regressive Americans and their self hatred. I watch the typical Conservative who loves his country, the veterans, and their religion. Then I see the far left Liberals who have a self hatred and self indignation that is beyond comprehension. Instead of proudly being American, Christian, and respecting the military, they pick out one, 2, or all 3 to self loathe in cowardice. Instead of standing for what they believe, they cower in fear. Instead of loving themselves in a healthy way, they hate themselves. It's a false morality. To tear yourself down from shame and guilt is self sabatage and the reason America is in decline. Islamists cannot be your friend per the Quran. It is a sin. They do not see you as kindred siblings. You are an infidel per the Quran. They do not believe you serve the same god. You are a polytheistic unbelieving heathen bound for Hell, per the Quran. And instead of standing against such ideas, you apologize for it, lie for it, and make up anything you can for it. This is 100% full blown cowardice. This is not a mission of righteousness. This is a mission of self destructive self hatred that not even the wisest of men can or will ever understand. It is mindless, deceptive, and wrong.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/18/2016 10:36:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
First of all, I'm a conservative.

Second of all, you are making an identity fallacy by claiming "submission to God" implies all of these things you claim it does.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/18/2016 11:59:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

We don't bow to the stone, but rather we make the kabbah is the direction of our body motion during praying.
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4/19/2016 12:02:14 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

Christians grovel before an instrument of death. Sometimes with a gruesome man nailed to it. So......
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4/19/2016 12:20:42 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:02:14 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

Christians grovel before an instrument of death. Sometimes with a gruesome man nailed to it. So......

I don't bow to anything.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 12:50:50 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:20:42 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:02:14 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

Christians grovel before an instrument of death. Sometimes with a gruesome man nailed to it. So......

I don't bow to anything.

Kneel, cry, confess you are a sinner. Whatever.
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4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."
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4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 12:58:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.

Is that how you justify bowing to your own understanding as an idol before God?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 1:04:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:58:38 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.

Is that how you justify bowing to your own understanding as an idol before God?

I don't need my own understanding. Christ was clear. God was clear.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 1:11:33 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.

Islam does not have a three headed Trinity. Most Christians don't understand monotheism. They know Jesus could not act alone and relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit. That created the three headed Trinity. Even with the three combined they could not make Jesus's mission successful. The Jews were worse off after Jesus's coming, they lost tbe temple, city and were slaughtered as a people.
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4/19/2016 1:15:05 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:11:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.

Islam does not have a three headed Trinity. Most Christians don't understand monotheism. They know Jesus could not act alone and relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit. That created the three headed Trinity. Even with the three combined they could not make Jesus's mission successful. The Jews were worse off after Jesus's coming, they lost tbe temple, city and were slaughtered as a people.

Muhammed took the pagan moon gods and morphed them into one nameless god, then attached the Abrahamic faiths to it to give it validity. Your god is a mix of diana, ISIS, Shiva, Kali, Baal, etc.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/19/2016 1:19:14 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:04:22 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:58:38 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.

Is that how you justify bowing to your own understanding as an idol before God?

I don't need my own understanding. Christ was clear. God was clear.

Yeah, right, you sure sound like someone who has the understanding of Christ. No, you sound puffed up in pride, placing too much faith in your own understanding. As a result, you are being very ugly. Is this the way of Christ? Where is your charity? What does it profit to bash other people's sincerely held convictions? What makes you think anyone is going to listen to you when you do this?

No, this isn't the way. You are in error. This isn't how Christians are taught to be ministers of the gospel. You aren't practicing the discipline, and the only thing its going to do is sabotage your efforts.

Charity!

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 1:21:13 AM
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Hey look! Does Diana seem familiar?

https://www.pinterest.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 1:24:04 AM
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At 4/19/2016 1:19:14 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:04:22 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:58:38 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.

Is that how you justify bowing to your own understanding as an idol before God?

I don't need my own understanding. Christ was clear. God was clear.

Yeah, right, you sure sound like someone who has the understanding of Christ. No, you sound puffed up in pride, placing too much faith in your own understanding. As a result, you are being very ugly. Is this the way of Christ? Where is your charity? What does it profit to bash other people's sincerely held convictions? What makes you think anyone is going to listen to you when you do this?

No, this isn't the way. You are in error. This isn't how Christians are taught to be ministers of the gospel. You aren't practicing the discipline, and the only thing its going to do is sabotage your efforts.

Charity!

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

You have no idea of my charity. Speaking the truth with conviction is not evil. Lying about Islam for a universalist agenda is evil. Christ himself said things that offended people. The truth has a bad habit of doing that. You have taken on the ideology of calling good evil and evil good.
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4/19/2016 1:26:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 12:50:50 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:20:42 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:02:14 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

Christians grovel before an instrument of death. Sometimes with a gruesome man nailed to it. So......

I don't bow to anything.

Kneel, cry, confess you are a sinner. Whatever.

Bowing to God is not the same as bowing to a rock.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/19/2016 1:28:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:19:14 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:04:22 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:58:38 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:50:36 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:26:44 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
For someone who doesn't bow to anything, you sure do seem to have a lot of faith in your own understanding.

I can read.

Is that how you justify bowing to your own understanding as an idol before God?

I don't need my own understanding. Christ was clear. God was clear.

Yeah, right, you sure sound like someone who has the understanding of Christ. No, you sound puffed up in pride, placing too much faith in your own understanding. As a result, you are being very ugly. Is this the way of Christ? Where is your charity? What does it profit to bash other people's sincerely held convictions? What makes you think anyone is going to listen to you when you do this?

No, this isn't the way. You are in error. This isn't how Christians are taught to be ministers of the gospel. You aren't practicing the discipline, and the only thing its going to do is sabotage your efforts.

Charity!

"Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity."

Satanists have sincere convictions. Let's just wink at them, smile, and hope they sacrifice less children this year.
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SpiritandTruth
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4/19/2016 1:31:43 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
"Teach no other doctrine, neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: from which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm."
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
Harikrish
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4/19/2016 1:33:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:15:05 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:11:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

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Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

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Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

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Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.

Islam does not have a three headed Trinity. Most Christians don't understand monotheism. They know Jesus could not act alone and relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit. That created the three headed Trinity. Even with the three combined they could not make Jesus's mission successful. The Jews were worse off after Jesus's coming, they lost tbe temple, city and were slaughtered as a people.

Muhammed took the pagan moon gods and morphed them into one nameless god, then attached the Abrahamic faiths to it to give it validity. Your god is a mix of diana, ISIS, Shiva, Kali, Baal, etc.

Mohammad (pbuh) got his instructions from God too. They must have been clearer or he understood them better than Jesus because he was accepted and his followers prospered unlike Jesus who left behind a string of disasters. The destruction of the temple, the sacking of Jerusalem and the slaughter of Gods chosen people, the children of Israel. All this was unnecessary. God could have sent the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) instead of Jesus and the outcome would have been so successful.
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4/19/2016 1:36:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:33:17 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:15:05 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:11:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.

Islam does not have a three headed Trinity. Most Christians don't understand monotheism. They know Jesus could not act alone and relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit. That created the three headed Trinity. Even with the three combined they could not make Jesus's mission successful. The Jews were worse off after Jesus's coming, they lost tbe temple, city and were slaughtered as a people.

Muhammed took the pagan moon gods and morphed them into one nameless god, then attached the Abrahamic faiths to it to give it validity. Your god is a mix of diana, ISIS, Shiva, Kali, Baal, etc.

Mohammad (pbuh) got his instructions from God too. They must have been clearer or he understood them better than Jesus because he was accepted and his followers prospered unlike Jesus who left behind a string of disasters. The destruction of the temple, the sacking of Jerusalem and the slaughter of Gods chosen people, the children of Israel. All this was unnecessary. God could have sent the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) instead of Jesus and the outcome would have been so successful.

You don't know what you are saying, quit trolling dumb people.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 1:41:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:36:26 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:33:17 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:15:05 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 1:11:33 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:56:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:52:26 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

The Muslims see the stone as a sign from God to Abraham. If it was good enough for Abraham, Muslims are proud to be the custodians of the relic.

"There are various opinions as to what the Black Stone actually is. Muslims say that the Stone was found by Abraham (Ibrahim) and his son Ishmael (Ismail) when they were searching for stones with which to build the Kaaba. They recognized its worth and made it one of the building's cornerstones.

There is no indication as to where this stone originated, but since it pre-dates the revelation of the Holy Qur'an and Muhammad's prophethood, and even kissed, it must stem from the time of Abraham since the Hajj traditions are traceable to the patriarch of monotheism."

I don't think Islam is monotheistic.

Islam does not have a three headed Trinity. Most Christians don't understand monotheism. They know Jesus could not act alone and relied on the Father and the Holy Spirit. That created the three headed Trinity. Even with the three combined they could not make Jesus's mission successful. The Jews were worse off after Jesus's coming, they lost tbe temple, city and were slaughtered as a people.

Muhammed took the pagan moon gods and morphed them into one nameless god, then attached the Abrahamic faiths to it to give it validity. Your god is a mix of diana, ISIS, Shiva, Kali, Baal, etc.

Mohammad (pbuh) got his instructions from God too. They must have been clearer or he understood them better than Jesus because he was accepted and his followers prospered unlike Jesus who left behind a string of disasters. The destruction of the temple, the sacking of Jerusalem and the slaughter of Gods chosen people, the children of Israel. All this was unnecessary. God could have sent the prophet Mohammad (pbuh) instead of Jesus and the outcome would have been so successful.

You don't know what you are saying, quit trolling dumb people.

There is you Islamofascist at work. We should just ignore them and hope they don't try to reach the 7th heaven of the earthly paradise through the martyrdom of blowing us and themselves up in "battle". But you know, 72 beds, times 72 virgins. Hari will be very worn out looks like...
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TBR
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4/19/2016 1:45:45 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 1:26:04 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:50:50 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:20:42 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 12:02:14 AM, TBR wrote:
At 4/18/2016 9:03:39 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Muslims bow to an image, specifically to a stone.

*

Here is what Muslims bow to.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

*

Muslims bow to it.

http://youtu.be...

*

Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God."
(Leviticus 26:1)

Christians grovel before an instrument of death. Sometimes with a gruesome man nailed to it. So......

I don't bow to anything.

Kneel, cry, confess you are a sinner. Whatever.

Bowing to God is not the same as bowing to a rock.

So your god is some sticks crosses?
uncung
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4/19/2016 1:47:06 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Bowing to God is not the same as bowing to a rock.

And what about this:?
Ezra 10:1 ESV
"The People Confess Their Sin - While Ezra prayed and made confession, weeping and casting himself down before the house of God.."
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4/19/2016 1:53:24 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Yeah, and if you had any faith whatsoever, you wouldn't be scared of evil people. You're being insecure. It offends me that though you are being so worldly, you have the pretense of having the Christian position.

You don't know what you are doing.

I suppose I don't know what else to say. I don't think I'm going to be able to convince you of how wicked you are behaving, and how, as someone who works in the mission field, I don't believe you are approaching the topic of Islam from the mindset of a disciple.

When Paul spoke to the Athenians, did he condemn them for worshiping idols and statues? No! He said to them, "People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious."

Do you not see the obvious difference in approach?

You have no charity, and because of this, it's going to fail. I'm being real with you, and honestly, I don't expect you to hear what I'm saying, though it would be better for you if you did. I leave it in God's hands, and I hope your heart softens.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/19/2016 1:53:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Psalm 5 7
New International Version
"But I (David), by your great love, can come into your house; in reverence I bow down toward your holy temple."

Psalm 138 2
"I (David) bow down toward your holy temple and give thanks to your name for your steadfast love and your faithfulness.."