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4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
This is reality 101. Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world. Islam is anti-democracy. Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise. We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something. But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different. It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran. It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike. They plan on destroying the west. The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other. Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception. If you read the Quran it outlines just how they are commanded to destroy us. And they are acting it out while Christians push back. Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.
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4/19/2016 9:54:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101. Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world. Islam is anti-democracy. Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise. We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something. But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different. It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran. It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike. They plan on destroying the west. The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other. Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception. If you read the Quran it outlines just how they are commanded to destroy us. And they are acting it out while Christians push back. Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.

It is haters like you that create conflict and bigotry and promote ignorance as a badge of honour. Ask why a coalition of Eurooean and American forces have been bombing a Muslim country like Iraq, displacing millions of innocent Iraqi civilians and killing hundreds of thousands when Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack or Al Qaeda. After the invasion no WMDs were found which was the other justification for the invasion of Iraq. After 10 years tbe destruction the coalition left behind has turned a relatively prosperous country into another failed state.

It is one thing to criticize the actions of a few Islamic extremist but there is no justification for a majority of western countries to attack a Muslim country based on lies which were exposed by ever commission set up to cover the truth.

If the coalition countries were sued for damages for wrongful acts against an innocent Muslim country. It would bankrupt a few of them. And what about crimes against humanity? That has already destroyed the moral credibility of all those western Christian countries with America and Britain leading the pack.
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4/19/2016 10:19:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101.
Ah, we haven't seen a 'Bronto 101' post for a whole week!

For anyone new here, a Bronto 101 post presents Bronto's own poorly-researched, unreferenced and frequently paranoid opinions as fundamentally true, and implicitly levels a belligerent insult at you if you disagree with them. It's quite exciting, so let's take a look at this one, shall we?

Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world.
No argument there, as long as you don't give Christianity sole credit for creating it.

Islam is anti-democracy.
Ooh, our first unevidenced, paranoid claim. That Islam can be anti-democratic is true, both historically and contemporaneously. But that Islam can also support democracy seems true, as evidenced in the examples of Turkey and Indonesia, who are both Muslim-majority, and both selected a democracy for themselves, rather than having it imposed on them.

Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise.
Misrepresentative. In countries like Canada and Australia, multiculturalism also sees broad support from Christian and Jewish progressives andMuslim immigrants; and a place like India has been multicultural, multilingual and multireligious for uh... centuries.

But sure, many atheists (not all) like multiculturalism -- perhaps in part because they perceive (not without cause) that they experience less vilification and persecution when there's no one religious majority.

We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something.
'We' being whom?

Christian conservatives? Not really: Multiculturalism sees qualified support even from conservative Christians in places like Canada and Australia. (The qualifications typically being about language, knowledge of Australian history, and ensuring there's a single law supporting common values.)

So really, I wonder if Bronto is talking about fundamentalist Christian Evangelicals. And in fairness, they're not just warning atheists about the DOOOOM that's coming. They're warning fellow Christians too... there's not much they won't patronise people about, including people of their own faith.

But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different.
Unreferenced, and clearly false. I'm an atheist who knows a fair bit about many different religions, and don't view them as the same.

However, I view the evils of religious nationalism as largely the same, those being: cruelty, injustice, and hegemonistic self-importance. And unfortunately, as someone who reads daily from the fundamentalist Evangelical propaganda-book, Bronto exhibits many of the signs of religious nationalism I deplore.

It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran.
That's so bizarre. I've worked with Muslims, taught scores of Muslims, and have had Muslim friends for more than thirty years. Australia being located where it is, I know about as many Muslims as I do Jews, so Bronto's claim seems as bizarre to me as telling a New York goy that he can't really have Jewish friends, because they're all out to get him.

I cannot imagine that Bronto is speaking from direct personal knowledge here, so much as theoretical knowledge based on not really liking or respecting anyone who doesn't believe what he does anyway.

And there's something a bit hypocritical about a guy who doesn't at all respect atheists, warning atheists that Muslims disrespect them worse. :p

It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike.
Uh, that'd be more credible coming from someone who doesn't himself believe in, and welcome, the End of Days.

They plan on destroying the west.
You'd like to see all atheists brought to heel though too, wouldn't you? Marginalised from politics and educational institutions? Have their morals held to special scrutiny for fear of corrupting the young?

So should atheists see you as the good guy in this, Bronto, or the lesser of two evils?

The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other.
Well in that much, I agree... it's about as empty as Christianity's claim of universal love.

Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception.
Are you actually aware of the prolonged vilification and persecution of atheists by Christians? Do you know that it continues today?

You must, Bronto, for you yourself vilify here, and I don't doubt that you support anti-atheist discrimination too.

So is this your lesser of two evils argument? That your views should be embraced because you're cowardly enough to resort to vilification over the Internet and political persecution, instead of using a knife to express your fear and hate?

And do you think the hate-speech you love promoting tends to produce lessviolence over time, or more?

Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.
Ha. Get real! In the US, atheists would like to open a door to fair and equal treatment for themselves. And many are generous enough to insist that should be applied to others too, regardless of faith -- because they have some wild idea that this may be in the US constitution.

Why not start there?
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4/19/2016 10:24:07 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 9:54:32 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101. Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world. Islam is anti-democracy. Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise. We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something. But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different. It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran. It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike. They plan on destroying the west. The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other. Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception. If you read the Quran it outlines just how they are commanded to destroy us. And they are acting it out while Christians push back. Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.

It is haters like you that create conflict and bigotry and promote ignorance as a badge of honour. Ask why a coalition of Eurooean and American forces have been bombing a Muslim country like Iraq, displacing millions of innocent Iraqi civilians and killing hundreds of thousands when Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack or Al Qaeda. After the invasion no WMDs were found which was the other justification for the invasion of Iraq. After 10 years tbe destruction the coalition left behind has turned a relatively prosperous country into another failed state.

It is one thing to criticize the actions of a few Islamic extremist but there is no justification for a majority of western countries to attack a Muslim country based on lies which were exposed by ever commission set up to cover the truth.

If the coalition countries were sued for damages for wrongful acts against an innocent Muslim country. It would bankrupt a few of them. And what about crimes against humanity? That has already destroyed the moral credibility of all those western Christian countries with America and Britain leading the pack.

Islam can easily be a very dangerous belief.
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4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 10:19:38 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101.
Ah, we haven't seen a 'Bronto 101' post for a whole week!

For anyone new here, a Bronto 101 post presents Bronto's own poorly-researched, unreferenced and frequently paranoid opinions as fundamentally true, and implicitly levels a belligerent insult at you if you disagree with them. It's quite exciting, so let's take a look at this one, shall we?

Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world.
No argument there, as long as you don't give Christianity sole credit for creating it.

Islam is anti-democracy.
Ooh, our first unevidenced, paranoid claim. That Islam can be anti-democratic is true, both historically and contemporaneously. But that Islam can also support democracy seems true, as evidenced in the examples of Turkey and Indonesia, who are both Muslim-majority, and both selected a democracy for themselves, rather than having it imposed on them.

Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise.
Misrepresentative. In countries like Canada and Australia, multiculturalism also sees broad support from Christian and Jewish progressives andMuslim immigrants; and a place like India has been multicultural, multilingual and multireligious for uh... centuries.

But sure, many atheists (not all) like multiculturalism -- perhaps in part because they perceive (not without cause) that they experience less vilification and persecution when there's no one religious majority.

We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something.
'We' being whom?

Christian conservatives? Not really: Multiculturalism sees qualified support even from conservative Christians in places like Canada and Australia. (The qualifications typically being about language, knowledge of Australian history, and ensuring there's a single law supporting common values.)

So really, I wonder if Bronto is talking about fundamentalist Christian Evangelicals. And in fairness, they're not just warning atheists about the DOOOOM that's coming. They're warning fellow Christians too... there's not much they won't patronise people about, including people of their own faith.

But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different.
Unreferenced, and clearly false. I'm an atheist who knows a fair bit about many different religions, and don't view them as the same.

However, I view the evils of religious nationalism as largely the same, those being: cruelty, injustice, and hegemonistic self-importance. And unfortunately, as someone who reads daily from the fundamentalist Evangelical propaganda-book, Bronto exhibits many of the signs of religious nationalism I deplore.

It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran.
That's so bizarre. I've worked with Muslims, taught scores of Muslims, and have had Muslim friends for more than thirty years. Australia being located where it is, I know about as many Muslims as I do Jews, so Bronto's claim seems as bizarre to me as telling a New York goy that he can't really have Jewish friends, because they're all out to get him.

I cannot imagine that Bronto is speaking from direct personal knowledge here, so much as theoretical knowledge based on not really liking or respecting anyone who doesn't believe what he does anyway.

And there's something a bit hypocritical about a guy who doesn't at all respect atheists, warning atheists that Muslims disrespect them worse. :p

It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike.
Uh, that'd be more credible coming from someone who doesn't himself believe in, and welcome, the End of Days.

They plan on destroying the west.
You'd like to see all atheists brought to heel though too, wouldn't you? Marginalised from politics and educational institutions? Have their morals held to special scrutiny for fear of corrupting the young?

So should atheists see you as the good guy in this, Bronto, or the lesser of two evils?

The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other.
Well in that much, I agree... it's about as empty as Christianity's claim of universal love.

Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception.
Are you actually aware of the prolonged vilification and persecution of atheists by Christians? Do you know that it continues today?

You must, Bronto, for you yourself vilify here, and I don't doubt that you support anti-atheist discrimination too.

So is this your lesser of two evils argument? That your views should be embraced because you're cowardly enough to resort to vilification over the Internet and political persecution, instead of using a knife to express your fear and hate?

And do you think the hate-speech you love promoting tends to produce lessviolence over time, or more?

Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.
Ha. Get real! In the US, atheists would like to open a door to fair and equal treatment for themselves. And many are generous enough to insist that should be applied to others too, regardless of faith -- because they have some wild idea that this may be in the US constitution.

Why not start there?

The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy. Is there a Muslim somewhere who renounces and ignores Quranic commands to destroy us, hate us, and repel all concepts of democracy? Sure. But there are still 1.7 billion that do obey the Quran.
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4/19/2016 10:37:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 10:19:38 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101.
Ah, we haven't seen a 'Bronto 101' post for a whole week!

For anyone new here, a Bronto 101 post presents Bronto's own poorly-researched, unreferenced and frequently paranoid opinions as fundamentally true, and implicitly levels a belligerent insult at you if you disagree with them. It's quite exciting, so let's take a look at this one, shall we?

Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world.
No argument there, as long as you don't give Christianity sole credit for creating it.

Islam is anti-democracy.
Ooh, our first unevidenced, paranoid claim. That Islam can be anti-democratic is true, both historically and contemporaneously. But that Islam can also support democracy seems true, as evidenced in the examples of Turkey and Indonesia, who are both Muslim-majority, and both selected a democracy for themselves, rather than having it imposed on them.

Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise.
Misrepresentative. In countries like Canada and Australia, multiculturalism also sees broad support from Christian and Jewish progressives andMuslim immigrants; and a place like India has been multicultural, multilingual and multireligious for uh... centuries.

But sure, many atheists (not all) like multiculturalism -- perhaps in part because they perceive (not without cause) that they experience less vilification and persecution when there's no one religious majority.

We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something.
'We' being whom?

Christian conservatives? Not really: Multiculturalism sees qualified support even from conservative Christians in places like Canada and Australia. (The qualifications typically being about language, knowledge of Australian history, and ensuring there's a single law supporting common values.)

So really, I wonder if Bronto is talking about fundamentalist Christian Evangelicals. And in fairness, they're not just warning atheists about the DOOOOM that's coming. They're warning fellow Christians too... there's not much they won't patronise people about, including people of their own faith.

But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different.
Unreferenced, and clearly false. I'm an atheist who knows a fair bit about many different religions, and don't view them as the same.

However, I view the evils of religious nationalism as largely the same, those being: cruelty, injustice, and hegemonistic self-importance. And unfortunately, as someone who reads daily from the fundamentalist Evangelical propaganda-book, Bronto exhibits many of the signs of religious nationalism I deplore.

It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran.
That's so bizarre. I've worked with Muslims, taught scores of Muslims, and have had Muslim friends for more than thirty years. Australia being located where it is, I know about as many Muslims as I do Jews, so Bronto's claim seems as bizarre to me as telling a New York goy that he can't really have Jewish friends, because they're all out to get him.

I cannot imagine that Bronto is speaking from direct personal knowledge here, so much as theoretical knowledge based on not really liking or respecting anyone who doesn't believe what he does anyway.

And there's something a bit hypocritical about a guy who doesn't at all respect atheists, warning atheists that Muslims disrespect them worse. :p

It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike.
Uh, that'd be more credible coming from someone who doesn't himself believe in, and welcome, the End of Days.

They plan on destroying the west.
You'd like to see all atheists brought to heel though too, wouldn't you? Marginalised from politics and educational institutions? Have their morals held to special scrutiny for fear of corrupting the young?

So should atheists see you as the good guy in this, Bronto, or the lesser of two evils?

The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other.
Well in that much, I agree... it's about as empty as Christianity's claim of universal love.

Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception.
Are you actually aware of the prolonged vilification and persecution of atheists by Christians? Do you know that it continues today?

You must, Bronto, for you yourself vilify here, and I don't doubt that you support anti-atheist discrimination too.

So is this your lesser of two evils argument? That your views should be embraced because you're cowardly enough to resort to vilification over the Internet and political persecution, instead of using a knife to express your fear and hate?

And do you think the hate-speech you love promoting tends to produce lessviolence over time, or more?

Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.
Ha. Get real! In the US, atheists would like to open a door to fair and equal treatment for themselves. And many are generous enough to insist that should be applied to others too, regardless of faith -- because they have some wild idea that this may be in the US constitution.

Why not start there?

It's a theological false dichotomy. Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery. Do you see female Christians wearing Burkas? Do you see us practicing Sharia Law? Sharia Law is completely incompatable with democratic freedom. You are comparing apples to onions. A Christian offended me one time vs a Muslim cut my head off per Sharia and Quranic command, as happened in an Oklahoma factory between coworkers.

What Christians are "persecuting you?" Do you wear an "I'm an Atheist" shirt around? I'm calling bull on you Ruv. Really? Christians are "persecuting you?" Or what? And how do they know you are an Atheist?
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4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 10:19:38 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 4/19/2016 9:21:20 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
This is reality 101.
Ah, we haven't seen a 'Bronto 101' post for a whole week!

For anyone new here, a Bronto 101 post presents Bronto's own poorly-researched, unreferenced and frequently paranoid opinions as fundamentally true, and implicitly levels a belligerent insult at you if you disagree with them. It's quite exciting, so let's take a look at this one, shall we?

Western Atheists and Christians are all in the same culture living in an imperfect but generally reasonable and civilised world.
No argument there, as long as you don't give Christianity sole credit for creating it.

Islam is anti-democracy.
Ooh, our first unevidenced, paranoid claim. That Islam can be anti-democratic is true, both historically and contemporaneously. But that Islam can also support democracy seems true, as evidenced in the examples of Turkey and Indonesia, who are both Muslim-majority, and both selected a democracy for themselves, rather than having it imposed on them.

Liberal atheists keep screaming for multiculturism even if to their own danger and own demise.
Misrepresentative. In countries like Canada and Australia, multiculturalism also sees broad support from Christian and Jewish progressives andMuslim immigrants; and a place like India has been multicultural, multilingual and multireligious for uh... centuries.

But sure, many atheists (not all) like multiculturalism -- perhaps in part because they perceive (not without cause) that they experience less vilification and persecution when there's no one religious majority.

We may not agree theologicalky, but we are trying to warn you guys of something.
'We' being whom?

Christian conservatives? Not really: Multiculturalism sees qualified support even from conservative Christians in places like Canada and Australia. (The qualifications typically being about language, knowledge of Australian history, and ensuring there's a single law supporting common values.)

So really, I wonder if Bronto is talking about fundamentalist Christian Evangelicals. And in fairness, they're not just warning atheists about the DOOOOM that's coming. They're warning fellow Christians too... there's not much they won't patronise people about, including people of their own faith.

But typically atheists just see religions as all the same when they couldn't be more different.
Unreferenced, and clearly false. I'm an atheist who knows a fair bit about many different religions, and don't view them as the same.

However, I view the evils of religious nationalism as largely the same, those being: cruelty, injustice, and hegemonistic self-importance. And unfortunately, as someone who reads daily from the fundamentalist Evangelical propaganda-book, Bronto exhibits many of the signs of religious nationalism I deplore.

It's an error. Muslims cannot be our allies or friends per the Quran.
That's so bizarre. I've worked with Muslims, taught scores of Muslims, and have had Muslim friends for more than thirty years. Australia being located where it is, I know about as many Muslims as I do Jews, so Bronto's claim seems as bizarre to me as telling a New York goy that he can't really have Jewish friends, because they're all out to get him.

I cannot imagine that Bronto is speaking from direct personal knowledge here, so much as theoretical knowledge based on not really liking or respecting anyone who doesn't believe what he does anyway.

And there's something a bit hypocritical about a guy who doesn't at all respect atheists, warning atheists that Muslims disrespect them worse. :p

It's all a face, prepping for the right time to strike.
Uh, that'd be more credible coming from someone who doesn't himself believe in, and welcome, the End of Days.

They plan on destroying the west.
You'd like to see all atheists brought to heel though too, wouldn't you? Marginalised from politics and educational institutions? Have their morals held to special scrutiny for fear of corrupting the young?

So should atheists see you as the good guy in this, Bronto, or the lesser of two evils?

The Islam is peace movement is based on ignorance on one side and deception on the other.
Well in that much, I agree... it's about as empty as Christianity's claim of universal love.

Islam has been planning on leading Atheists like lambs to the slaughter through deception.
Are you actually aware of the prolonged vilification and persecution of atheists by Christians? Do you know that it continues today?

You must, Bronto, for you yourself vilify here, and I don't doubt that you support anti-atheist discrimination too.

So is this your lesser of two evils argument? That your views should be embraced because you're cowardly enough to resort to vilification over the Internet and political persecution, instead of using a knife to express your fear and hate?

And do you think the hate-speech you love promoting tends to produce lessviolence over time, or more?

Atheists are trying to open the door for the very entity hellbent on their destruction.
Ha. Get real! In the US, atheists would like to open a door to fair and equal treatment for themselves. And many are generous enough to insist that should be applied to others too, regardless of faith -- because they have some wild idea that this may be in the US constitution.

Why not start there?

Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
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4/19/2016 11:32:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Wow, Bronte! Three one-para responses in a row to the one post of mine?

Are my posts actually making you think, or do your individual responses just feel inadequate for your level of sanctimony?

Anyway...

At 4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy.

Potentially it can be, Bronto. but let's take a look at the top five countries by Muslim population and see if it is in practice:

1. Indonesia, 200M Muslims, democracy
2. Pakistan, 178M Muslims, democracy
3. India, 172M Muslims, democracy
4. Bangladesh, 145M Muslims, democracy
5. Egypt, 80M Muslims, currently recovering from civil strife, but generally a democracy

That's an awful lot of self-chosen democracy for a faith that's not supposed support it. And all these democratic governments have constitutions. Some are even leaning toward secular constitutions.

(Not that you really approve of secularism anyway, do you Bronto?)

Now, could you please tell us who, according to your faith, is Lord of all creation, and who elected him to that highest of all offices?

Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery.
It seems to me that Christians themselves decide what they're commanded to do, and despite having had essentially the same Bible for 1600 years or so, never hold themselves accountable to anyone else for how these 'new' commands are received and interpreted.

So from the same canon they've found excuses to burn people they don't approve of, imprison them, hang them, castrate them, garotte them, whip them, brand them, impale them, behead them, exile them, blind and mutilate them, eviscerate them, electrocute them, gas them, sedate and poison them, shoot them, or -- my favourite -- have four horses rip them apart and drag their severed members through the streets to the entertainment of hordes of cheering adherents of this Religion of Love.

And since they've never made themselves independently accountable for why they do all this heinous crap, we have no assurance that they will not do again tomorrow, what they've never adequately explained doing yesterday.

So please tell me: in the US today, in how many ways do Christians officially kill people they cannot forgive?

At 4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
So you've changed your mind on this and atheism isn't a religion after all?

Or are you just having trouble keeping track of all the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense you post?
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4/20/2016 12:36:12 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 11:32:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Wow, Bronte! Three one-para responses in a row to the one post of mine?

Are my posts actually making you think, or do your individual responses just feel inadequate for your level of sanctimony?

Anyway...

At 4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy.

Potentially it can be, Bronto. but let's take a look at the top five countries by Muslim population and see if it is in practice:

1. Indonesia, 200M Muslims, democracy
2. Pakistan, 178M Muslims, democracy
3. India, 172M Muslims, democracy
4. Bangladesh, 145M Muslims, democracy
5. Egypt, 80M Muslims, currently recovering from civil strife, but generally a democracy

That's an awful lot of self-chosen democracy for a faith that's not supposed support it. And all these democratic governments have constitutions. Some are even leaning toward secular constitutions.

(Not that you really approve of secularism anyway, do you Bronto?)

Now, could you please tell us who, according to your faith, is Lord of all creation, and who elected him to that highest of all offices?

Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery.
It seems to me that Christians themselves decide what they're commanded to do, and despite having had essentially the same Bible for 1600 years or so, never hold themselves accountable to anyone else for how these 'new' commands are received and interpreted.

So from the same canon they've found excuses to burn people they don't approve of, imprison them, hang them, castrate them, garotte them, whip them, brand them, impale them, behead them, exile them, blind and mutilate them, eviscerate them, electrocute them, gas them, sedate and poison them, shoot them, or -- my favourite -- have four horses rip them apart and drag their severed members through the streets to the entertainment of hordes of cheering adherents of this Religion of Love.

And since they've never made themselves independently accountable for why they do all this heinous crap, we have no assurance that they will not do again tomorrow, what they've never adequately explained doing yesterday.

So please tell me: in the US today, in how many ways do Christians officially kill people they cannot forgive?

At 4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
So you've changed your mind on this and atheism isn't a religion after all?

Or are you just having trouble keeping track of all the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense you post?

Tell Denesh D'souza about India"s "democracy".
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4/20/2016 12:39:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 12:36:12 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/19/2016 11:32:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Wow, Bronte! Three one-para responses in a row to the one post of mine?

Are my posts actually making you think, or do your individual responses just feel inadequate for your level of sanctimony?

Anyway...

At 4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy.

Potentially it can be, Bronto. but let's take a look at the top five countries by Muslim population and see if it is in practice:

1. Indonesia, 200M Muslims, democracy
2. Pakistan, 178M Muslims, democracy
3. India, 172M Muslims, democracy
4. Bangladesh, 145M Muslims, democracy
5. Egypt, 80M Muslims, currently recovering from civil strife, but generally a democracy

That's an awful lot of self-chosen democracy for a faith that's not supposed support it. And all these democratic governments have constitutions. Some are even leaning toward secular constitutions.

(Not that you really approve of secularism anyway, do you Bronto?)

Now, could you please tell us who, according to your faith, is Lord of all creation, and who elected him to that highest of all offices?

Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery.
It seems to me that Christians themselves decide what they're commanded to do, and despite having had essentially the same Bible for 1600 years or so, never hold themselves accountable to anyone else for how these 'new' commands are received and interpreted.

So from the same canon they've found excuses to burn people they don't approve of, imprison them, hang them, castrate them, garotte them, whip them, brand them, impale them, behead them, exile them, blind and mutilate them, eviscerate them, electrocute them, gas them, sedate and poison them, shoot them, or -- my favourite -- have four horses rip them apart and drag their severed members through the streets to the entertainment of hordes of cheering adherents of this Religion of Love.

And since they've never made themselves independently accountable for why they do all this heinous crap, we have no assurance that they will not do again tomorrow, what they've never adequately explained doing yesterday.

So please tell me: in the US today, in how many ways do Christians officially kill people they cannot forgive?

At 4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
So you've changed your mind on this and atheism isn't a religion after all?

Or are you just having trouble keeping track of all the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense you post?

Tell Denesh D'souza about India"s "democracy".

So to compensate for treating me to three responses to my last post, you're now giving me one lame, arm-waving appeal to pseudo-authority in response to a fifth of only one of three key points?
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4/20/2016 12:49:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 11:32:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Wow, Bronte! Three one-para responses in a row to the one post of mine?

Are my posts actually making you think, or do your individual responses just feel inadequate for your level of sanctimony?

Anyway...

At 4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy.

Potentially it can be, Bronto. but let's take a look at the top five countries by Muslim population and see if it is in practice:

1. Indonesia, 200M Muslims, democracy
2. Pakistan, 178M Muslims, democracy
3. India, 172M Muslims, democracy
4. Bangladesh, 145M Muslims, democracy
5. Egypt, 80M Muslims, currently recovering from civil strife, but generally a democracy

That's an awful lot of self-chosen democracy for a faith that's not supposed support it. And all these democratic governments have constitutions. Some are even leaning toward secular constitutions.

(Not that you really approve of secularism anyway, do you Bronto?)

Now, could you please tell us who, according to your faith, is Lord of all creation, and who elected him to that highest of all offices?

Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery.
It seems to me that Christians themselves decide what they're commanded to do, and despite having had essentially the same Bible for 1600 years or so, never hold themselves accountable to anyone else for how these 'new' commands are received and interpreted.

So from the same canon they've found excuses to burn people they don't approve of, imprison them, hang them, castrate them, garotte them, whip them, brand them, impale them, behead them, exile them, blind and mutilate them, eviscerate them, electrocute them, gas them, sedate and poison them, shoot them, or -- my favourite -- have four horses rip them apart and drag their severed members through the streets to the entertainment of hordes of cheering adherents of this Religion of Love.

And since they've never made themselves independently accountable for why they do all this heinous crap, we have no assurance that they will not do again tomorrow, what they've never adequately explained doing yesterday.

So please tell me: in the US today, in how many ways do Christians officially kill people they cannot forgive?

At 4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
So you've changed your mind on this and atheism isn't a religion after all?

Or are you just having trouble keeping track of all the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense you post?

Atheism is a religion. What it is not is a religion endowed to the infallable writing of a man who married a 6 year old, had many many sexslaves, beheaded tens of thousands of people, demanded death to all nonMuslims, claims himself to have talked to demons, and demanded the conquering of the entire planet and jhad.
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4/20/2016 12:52:38 AM
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"Democracy failed exceptionally quickly after independence because Pakistan possessed a weak and fragmented political party that was unable to resolve key governing conflicts.[6] In the wake of intensifying political instability, the civilian bureaucracy and military assumed governing power in 1958. Since its independence, Pakistan's democratic system has fluctuated between civilian and military governments at various times throughout its political history, mainly due to political instability, civil-military conflicts, political corruption, and the periodic coup d'"tats by the military establishment against weak civilian governments, resulting in the enforcement of martial law across the country (occurring in 1958, 1977 and 1999, and led by chief martial law administrator-generals Ayub Khan, Zia-ul-Haq and Pervez Musharraf respectively).[7] Democracy in Pakistan, however, imperfect has never been allowed to function. Until 2013, Pakistan did not experience even one democratic transfer of power from one democratically elected government that had completed its tenure to another. All of its previous democratic transitions have been aborted by military coup ."

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4/20/2016 12:59:00 AM
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JAKARTA, Indonesia " The Indonesian Parliament, under the control of emboldened political forces opposed to President-elect Joko Widodo, convened for a new five-year term on Wednesday, setting the stage for a long-term battle over the future of democracy in Southeast Asia"s most populous country.

The opposition bloc is led by Prabowo Subianto " a former army general who lost a bitterly contested presidential election to Mr. Joko in July " and controls 68 percent of the seats in the House of Representatives, the main legislative body.

Mr. Prabowo, 62, was once a son-in-law of Suharto, Indonesia"s late authoritarian president, whose military-backed regime ruled the country for 32 years until he was forced to resign amid pro-democracy demonstrations in 1998.

Despite Mr. Prabowo"s election loss three months ago, his "Red and White Coalition" " a reference to the colors of the Indonesian flag " continues to exert its influence, including orchestrating the passage last Friday of 11th-hour legislation in the previous Parliament that eliminated direct elections for mayors, district chiefs and provincial governors.

This week, incoming opposition lawmakers raised the notion of amending the Indonesian Constitution to eliminate direct presidential elections and giving the power to appoint the country"s president back to a legislative body that Suharto had firmly controlled and used to perpetuate his hold on power.

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4/20/2016 1:03:04 AM
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-An event that many hoped would bring Bangladesh"s ailing democracy to life turned out to do the exact opposite.

Residents of the country"s two largest cities went to the polls recently to elect their mayors along with a legion of council members. The candidates backed by the ruling party, the Awami League, won by large margins. Post-election statistics were too neat to fool anyone into believing the prime minister"s claims of a free and fair election. Indeed, the reality was very different.

Shortly after the vote began, party cadres of Awami League took control of a majority of the polling centers in both cities. Polling agents from the opposition party, the Bangladesh Nationalist Party (BNP) were warned not to come to their assigned centers. Those who came were forcefully expelled by League thugs. BNP candidates boycotted the election around noon.

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4/20/2016 1:13:17 AM
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EGYPT"S PREPARATIONS for the fifth anniversary Monday of a march that touched off its 2011 revolution offered a clear picture of the current state of the regime of Abdel Fatah al-Sissi, the general and coup-maker turned president. Evidently terrified of another popular uprising, security forces staged a sweeping crackdown, detaining hundreds of activists and searching 5,000 apartments in the vicinity of Cairo"s Tahrir Square, where anti-government marchers gathered on Jan."25, 2011. Tanks and soldiers filled the area while state media celebrated "police day."

There was no public protest " opposition groups advised their followers to stay home " but the regime"s boast of overwhelming public support was belied by its actions. Far from "restoring democracy," as Secretary of State John F. Kerry predicted, it has since its July 2013 coup created what domestic and international human rights groups deem the most repressive regime in Egypt"s modern history. It has killed thousands, imprisoned tens of thousands and employed torture, disappearances, media censorship and sham trials.

Rather than revive the economy " as Mr."Kerry also predicted " Mr."Sissi has presided over a corrosive stagnation. Tourism revenue plummeted 18"percent last year and massive deficits were recorded in the balance of payments and government budget. Unemployment is 12"percent, and for youths far higher. Private business is hemmed in by a venal bureaucracy, corruption and the military"s own sprawling interests.

Signs of discontent with the regime are mounting. Some 50,000 people registered on a Facebook page calling for new protests before the regime blocked it. Participation in a parliamentary election in the fall was abysmal " the government claimed a turnout of 26"percent, but independent observers said it was far less. There are rumblings of discord inside the regime, with intelligence services and some in the military suspected of discontent with Mr."Sissi, according to Eric Trager of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Most alarming for Egypt"s neighbors, the regime"s attempt to combat jihadist terrorism, including a self-declared affiliate of the Islamic State based in the Sinai Peninsula, has worsened rather than alleviated the threat. The brutal treatment of Bedouin and other Sinai communities has driven recruits to the militants. When a journalist pointed this out, the regime"s response was to arrest him.

Unfortunately, the regime"s unraveling has mostly been ignored by the Obama administration, which resumed full U.S. aid " $1.5"billion this year " on the theory that backing the dictatorship will promote stability. By now it should be clear that the bet is a bad one. Barring major changes in the regime"s policies, the Arab world"s most populous country is headed toward another breakdown.

The United States cannot necessarily stop Mr."Sissi"s self-destruction. But it can lay the groundwork for a better future by urging his regime to cease persecution of peaceful opponents, including the secular, liberal leaders of the 2011 revolution, most of whom are in jail or exile. It should link aid to media freedom and the revocation of repressive laws, like a measure banning all protests. With its unconditional subsidies, the Obama administration is merely hastening Egypt"s next crisis.

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4/20/2016 1:18:05 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/19/2016 11:32:41 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Wow, Bronte! Three one-para responses in a row to the one post of mine?

Are my posts actually making you think, or do your individual responses just feel inadequate for your level of sanctimony?

Anyway...

At 4/19/2016 10:30:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The Quran is anti Constitution and anti democracy.

Potentially it can be, Bronto. but let's take a look at the top five countries by Muslim population and see if it is in practice:

1. Indonesia, 200M Muslims, democracy
2. Pakistan, 178M Muslims, democracy
3. India, 172M Muslims, democracy
4. Bangladesh, 145M Muslims, democracy
5. Egypt, 80M Muslims, currently recovering from civil strife, but generally a democracy

That's an awful lot of self-chosen democracy for a faith that's not supposed support it. And all these democratic governments have constitutions. Some are even leaning toward secular constitutions.

(Not that you really approve of secularism anyway, do you Bronto?)

Now, could you please tell us who, according to your faith, is Lord of all creation, and who elected him to that highest of all offices?

Christians are not commanded to cut your hand off for minor offenses, or stone you for adultery.
It seems to me that Christians themselves decide what they're commanded to do, and despite having had essentially the same Bible for 1600 years or so, never hold themselves accountable to anyone else for how these 'new' commands are received and interpreted.

So from the same canon they've found excuses to burn people they don't approve of, imprison them, hang them, castrate them, garotte them, whip them, brand them, impale them, behead them, exile them, blind and mutilate them, eviscerate them, electrocute them, gas them, sedate and poison them, shoot them, or -- my favourite -- have four horses rip them apart and drag their severed members through the streets to the entertainment of hordes of cheering adherents of this Religion of Love.

And since they've never made themselves independently accountable for why they do all this heinous crap, we have no assurance that they will not do again tomorrow, what they've never adequately explained doing yesterday.

So please tell me: in the US today, in how many ways do Christians officially kill people they cannot forgive?

At 4/19/2016 10:40:12 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Atheists are no threat to us. They don't read a "holy book" that resembles Mein Kampf.
So you've changed your mind on this and atheism isn't a religion after all?

Or are you just having trouble keeping track of all the ignorant, hate-filled nonsense you post?

You'll have to give specifics on "Christian fallacies" for there to be debate. Would this be pre reformation or post. The reformation included movements to quit getting away from scripture and actually adhere to what Christ actually said. It caused war. It also wasn't recent.
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4/20/2016 5:48:40 PM
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The point is? Atheists have been led by Islam like lambs to the slaughter.
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4/20/2016 6:01:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 5:48:40 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The point is? Atheists have been led by Islam like lambs to the slaughter.

I am still curious as to what makes you think atheists will just sit idly by to watch some other religion begin to take power.

Hi, I'm an atheist, and I don't want radical Islam holding any sway of political power, either.

There, now, find a new strawman to erect.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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4/20/2016 9:56:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/20/2016 6:01:03 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/20/2016 5:48:40 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The point is? Atheists have been led by Islam like lambs to the slaughter.


I am still curious as to what makes you think atheists will just sit idly by to watch some other religion begin to take power.

Hi, I'm an atheist, and I don't want radical Islam holding any sway of political power, either.

There, now, find a new strawman to erect.

Liberal majority view of multiculturism and anti Christian sentiment.
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