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brontoraptor
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4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/21/2016 3:11:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

So the Four horsemen are...

colors?

I am not terribly certain that should be the take away you should receive. In any case, what of flags from other countries that have similar colors, or just ONE color, what about flags that display pentagrams and the like?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.
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4/21/2016 3:23:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:11:09 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

So the Four horsemen are...

colors?

I am not terribly certain that should be the take away you should receive. In any case, what of flags from other countries that have similar colors, or just ONE color, what about flags that display pentagrams and the like?

The White horse is ridden by Christ.
The Red horse represents war.
The Black horse represents death by natural disaster, starvation etc..
The Green horse represents pestilence, sickness, disease, epidemics.

Flags have no significance in this.
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4/21/2016 3:30:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green.

Does this make South Africa the Antichrist?
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4/21/2016 3:32:31 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:23:46 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:11:09 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

So the Four horsemen are...

colors?

I am not terribly certain that should be the take away you should receive. In any case, what of flags from other countries that have similar colors, or just ONE color, what about flags that display pentagrams and the like?

The White horse is ridden by Christ.
The Red horse represents war.
The Black horse represents death by natural disaster, starvation etc..
The Green horse represents pestilence, sickness, disease, epidemics.

Flags have no significance in this.

Christ never rode a horse during his entire life. He rode on a donkey. Donkeys not horses was ordinarily used for riding.
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4/21/2016 3:51:56 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
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4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.
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4/21/2016 3:52:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:30:22 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green.

Does this make South Africa the Antichrist?

Strictly speaking the all governments are part of that because they stand between him and his rightful rulership of the earth. For now anyway.
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4/21/2016 3:56:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:52:48 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:30:22 PM, UtherPenguin wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green.

Does this make South Africa the Antichrist?

Strictly speaking the all governments are part of that because they stand between him and his rightful rulership of the earth. For now anyway.

You must hate it when those government cheques arrive for your disability assistance.
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4/21/2016 3:58:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM, Trollord wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

And the ones he was speaking to couldn't. Nor it seems can you.

They JWs at least recognised them from when Jehovah called them to his son's side.

However it took a few decades for them to learn to read them anything like right.

They are still learning. At present they tell us what is imminent, but not exactly when.

I suspect that by the time they are that obvious it will be too late.

Why?

Well don't forget Jesus likened these time to the days of Noah.

When did most people recognise the signs of those times?

Only when the Ark door was shut and they couldn't get in.

Now, as it was then, if they don't listen soon enough people will lose out.

Shame no-one else is even bothering to admit they are happening all around us.
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4/21/2016 4:05:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:58:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM, Trollord wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

And the ones he was speaking to couldn't. Nor it seems can you.

They JWs at least recognised them from when Jehovah called them to his son's side.

However it took a few decades for them to learn to read them anything like right.

They are still learning. At present they tell us what is imminent, but not exactly when.

I suspect that by the time they are that obvious it will be too late.

Why?

Well don't forget Jesus likened these time to the days of Noah.

When did most people recognise the signs of those times?

Only when the Ark door was shut and they couldn't get in.

Now, as it was then, if they don't listen soon enough people will lose out.

Shame no-one else is even bothering to admit they are happening all around us.

We have thought the end is near forever. (obviously after Jesus's death)

It isn't going to be really different now.
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4/21/2016 4:06:04 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:58:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM, Trollord wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

And the ones he was speaking to couldn't. Nor it seems can you.

They JWs at least recognised them from when Jehovah called them to his son's side.

However it took a few decades for them to learn to read them anything like right.

They are still learning. At present they tell us what is imminent, but not exactly when.

I suspect that by the time they are that obvious it will be too late.

Why?

Well don't forget Jesus likened these time to the days of Noah.

When did most people recognise the signs of those times?

Only when the Ark door was shut and they couldn't get in.

Now, as it was then, if they don't listen soon enough people will lose out.

Shame no-one else is even bothering to admit they are happening all around us.

I would like to get a straight answer from you. You have used the word "imminent" many times. I'm not asking you to give us a precise date. But the word imminent entails a span.

Is 10 years imminent?
Is 100 years imminent?
Is 1000 years imminent?

Be honest.
Provide a time frame, as suggested by the word imminent. After all, if you have used the word, surely, you must have an idea of what it means.

Do go ahead.
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4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM
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The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/21/2016 4:23:55 PM
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At 4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.

It's a close tie between you and MCB, neck and neck, on who's the most dishonest individual around here. He lies when he passes judgement on so-called apostate books he himself admits to not having read, you lie when you say you have studied evolution for 30 years but can't even keep up with the appropriate terminology and fluster and fumble around with the most basic as far as basic evolutionary concepts go.

Both profess to be Christians, though neither accepts the other really is one.

Ah!
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4/21/2016 4:29:07 PM
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At 4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.

They still do use it as you well know, since you have seen this link at least twice before..

http://wol.jw.org...

As anyone can see from that link you are lying, and the JWs still publish the KJV along with the ASV and Byington.

You make it so easy to expose your lies.

It was Jehovah, through his son who pulled them out of the false teaching you still cling to against all the scriptural evidence.

That is why you cannot give up a proved dishonest translation. You need the lie to support the lie you want to believe in.

The Apostasy foretold in the Christian Greek Scriptures took over, as foretold, with the death of the last Apostle and you are still well and truly mired in it as I have proved over and again.

Your lies might gain you popularity with men but they will ensure that God and Christ remain against you unless you abandon those lies you love so much.

Don't think I will let them go unchallenged at least every now and again because I will not.
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4/21/2016 4:33:03 PM
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At 4/21/2016 4:23:55 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.

It's a close tie between you and MCB, neck and neck, on who's the most dishonest individual around here. He lies when he passes judgement on so-called apostate books he himself admits to not having read, you lie when you say you have studied evolution for 30 years but can't even keep up with the appropriate terminology and fluster and fumble around with the most basic as far as basic evolutionary concepts go.

Why read lies when you already have the truth.

I have read enough of many of them to see what rubbish they are. I don't need to read the whole thing.

Also why lies when I have the truth from Jehovah at my fingertips. It would do me no good to, and would only alienate me from my God and his King.

After all Satan is the father of the lie, and I want nothing to do with his progeny.


Both profess to be Christians, though neither accepts the other really is one.

I but I can prove my credentials from scripture, and I challenge any to actually prove me wrong without resorting to lies.

Brontoraptor only has his false claims.


Ah!

Indeed.
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4/21/2016 4:52:35 PM
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At 4/21/2016 4:33:03 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:23:55 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.

It's a close tie between you and MCB, neck and neck, on who's the most dishonest individual around here. He lies when he passes judgement on so-called apostate books he himself admits to not having read, you lie when you say you have studied evolution for 30 years but can't even keep up with the appropriate terminology and fluster and fumble around with the most basic as far as basic evolutionary concepts go.

Why read lies when you already have the truth.

I have read enough of many of them to see what rubbish they are. I don't need to read the whole thing.

Also why lies when I have the truth from Jehovah at my fingertips. It would do me no good to, and would only alienate me from my God and his King.

After all Satan is the father of the lie, and I want nothing to do with his progeny.


Both profess to be Christians, though neither accepts the other really is one.

I but I can prove my credentials from scripture, and I challenge any to actually prove me wrong without resorting to lies.

Brontoraptor only has his false claims.


Ah!

Indeed.

You cannot possibly pass comment on books you admit to not having read a single line of. Since you don't know what's written in them, you cannot possibly claim to know it all lies and half-truths.

A child of five can understand this.
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4/21/2016 4:53:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 4:06:04 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:58:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM, Trollord wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

And the ones he was speaking to couldn't. Nor it seems can you.

They JWs at least recognised them from when Jehovah called them to his son's side.

However it took a few decades for them to learn to read them anything like right.

They are still learning. At present they tell us what is imminent, but not exactly when.

I suspect that by the time they are that obvious it will be too late.

Why?

Well don't forget Jesus likened these time to the days of Noah.

When did most people recognise the signs of those times?

Only when the Ark door was shut and they couldn't get in.

Now, as it was then, if they don't listen soon enough people will lose out.

Shame no-one else is even bothering to admit they are happening all around us.

I would like to get a straight answer from you. You have used the word "imminent" many times. I'm not asking you to give us a precise date. But the word imminent entails a span.

Is 10 years imminent?

That is possible

Anything much longer and this earth will not be inhabitable any more the way we are going.

You forget I speak from Jehovah's view of time. I know no other to speak from and be honest.

Is 100 years imminent?
Is 1000 years imminent?

Be honest.
Provide a time frame, as suggested by the word imminent. After all, if you have used the word, surely, you must have an idea of what it means.

It is because I am honest that I cannot. we are only given enough information to encourage us to get ready for it before it happens.

Yes I now what it means in this context. t means it will happen when we least expect it.

Remember Jesus likened these days to the days of the flood.

How soon before the deluge started did the vast majority recognise the signs?

Not until it was too late and the Ark door was closed.

Don't let that happen to you.

Be prepared now and you won;t get caught out.


Do go ahead.

I can only answer your question with other questions.

How much more of a mess can we make of this world before Jehovah has to step in and call a halt? Revelation 11:18.

How much worse can National Debt get before the Governments have to rob the Churches coffers to reduce it? Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

If you can tell me that, honestly, I can answer your question honestly.

But don't forget Jesus said it would come like a thief in the night, as Revelation 16:13-16 reminds us.
13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 "Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness."
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon.


I can tell you no more than scripture tells me.

After all if it is going to come like a their n the night, how much warning are we going to get?

We know the thief is in town, the Bible tells us that much, but when will he strike? That's why we have to keep on the watch, as scripture says.

Remember the illustration of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins?

Do you want to be caught out asleep like the foolish ones? Or to be found awake and prepared like the wise ones?

The choice is yours.

I can offer you no more than the choice.
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4/21/2016 5:12:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 4:53:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:06:04 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:58:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:52:24 PM, Trollord wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:20:59 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

However that is not relevant to the prophecy.

Red is the colour of blood, and warfare spills a lot of it.
White is the colour associated with purity.
Green s always asociated with sickness (ever heard the expression "he's looking a bit green around the gills"
Black is associated with death.

That is the only symbolism of the horse colours. Think about the signs of the times Christ gave us at Matthew 24

Never have Red, Green and Black horses ever been ridden so hard in history as they are now. under the direction of the rider on the white horse.

Soon he will gather them to war against the human Governments when they turn on his true followers, as they will, after they have stripped all false religions, especially false Christianity of their precious things.

The Rider on the white horse will not trouble himself until the Governments realise that despite all their efforts they have failed to wipe out Jehovah's people who have been quietly working away in the background, as they did in Nazi Germany, and do in Islamic lands.

However when the Governments have done most of his work for him, and destroyed Babylon the Great, and finally turn on Jehovah's people, then he will strike.

Try reading Revelation chapters 14-16, and hopefully you will see what I am saying.

Islam executing false Christians could well be the spark that puts a fire under the seats of Governments and gets them to turn on all religion.

Keep awake and watch it progress.

Matthew 16:3

and in the morning, 'Today it will be stormy, for the sky is red and overcast.' You know how to interpret the appearance of the sky, but you cannot interpret the signs of the times.

And the ones he was speaking to couldn't. Nor it seems can you.

They JWs at least recognised them from when Jehovah called them to his son's side.

However it took a few decades for them to learn to read them anything like right.

They are still learning. At present they tell us what is imminent, but not exactly when.

I suspect that by the time they are that obvious it will be too late.

Why?

Well don't forget Jesus likened these time to the days of Noah.

When did most people recognise the signs of those times?

Only when the Ark door was shut and they couldn't get in.

Now, as it was then, if they don't listen soon enough people will lose out.

Shame no-one else is even bothering to admit they are happening all around us.

I would like to get a straight answer from you. You have used the word "imminent" many times. I'm not asking you to give us a precise date. But the word imminent entails a span.

Is 10 years imminent?

That is possible

Anything much longer and this earth will not be inhabitable any more the way we are going.

You forget I speak from Jehovah's view of time. I know no other to speak from and be honest.

Is 100 years imminent?
Is 1000 years imminent?

Be honest.
Provide a time frame, as suggested by the word imminent. After all, if you have used the word, surely, you must have an idea of what it means.

It is because I am honest that I cannot. we are only given enough information to encourage us to get ready for it before it happens.

Yes I now what it means in this context. t means it will happen when we least expect it.

Remember Jesus likened these days to the days of the flood.

How soon before the deluge started did the vast majority recognise the signs?

Not until it was too late and the Ark door was closed.

Don't let that happen to you.

Be prepared now and you won;t get caught out.


Do go ahead.

I can only answer your question with other questions.

How much more of a mess can we make of this world before Jehovah has to step in and call a halt? Revelation 11:18.

How much worse can National Debt get before the Governments have to rob the Churches coffers to reduce it? Revelation chapters 17 & 18.

If you can tell me that, honestly, I can answer your question honestly.

But don't forget Jesus said it would come like a thief in the night, as Revelation 16:13-16 reminds us.
13 And I saw three unclean inspired expressions that looked like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and they perform signs, and they go out to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 "Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one who stays awake and keeps his outer garments, so that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness."
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew Armageddon.


I can tell you no more than scripture tells me.

After all if it is going to come like a their n the night, how much warning are we going to get?

We know the thief is in town, the Bible tells us that much, but when will he strike? That's why we have to keep on the watch, as scripture says.

Remember the illustration of the 5 wise and 5 foolish virgins?

Do you want to be caught out asleep like the foolish ones? Or to be found awake and prepared like the wise ones?

The choice is yours.

I can offer you no more than the choice.

You've read it here, folks.
We finally have a time frame from one of the Jehovah's Witnesses, albeit a disfellowshipped one. Anything much longer than a decade would not qualify as "imminent". Ergo, if Armageddon does not come within 10 years, we can therefore conclude that Watchtower were wrong when they repeatedly claimed the Second coming of Christ was indeed imminent.

Thanks.
Why, that was wonderful.

And, for the record God is said to exist outside time. There is no God-series of time. As for the usually quoted scripture, the full verse reads "But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." Don't you dare try to misinterpret this verse as saying two millennia is tantamount to soon, or imminent. That's not what's in there.

See you April 21, 2026.
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4/21/2016 5:18:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 3:11:09 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/21/2016 3:02:22 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The four riders mentioned in Revelation are red, black, white, and green. These are the colrs of the Islamic nations' flags. Yes. All of them.

http://youtu.be...

So the Four horsemen are...

colors?

I am not terribly certain that should be the take away you should receive. In any case, what of flags from other countries that have similar colors, or just ONE color, what about flags that display pentagrams and the like?

Okay, check it out. (Below)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/21/2016 5:18:27 PM
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The White Horse
I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come and see!" I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. ( Revelation 6:1-2)

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Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (Nonmuslim ways) and religion is all for Allah."

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The Red Horse
When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come and see!" Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword. ( Revelation 6:3-4)

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Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them."

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The Black Horse
When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come and see!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart of wheat for a day"s wages, and three quarts of barley for a day"s wages, and do not damage the OIL and the WINE." (Revelation 6:5-6)

Goes with:

For all the nations have drunk the maddening WINE of her adulteries.
(Revelation 18:3)

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Who is "her"?

The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth.
(Revelation 17:5)

I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus. When I saw her, I was greatly astonished.
(Revelation 17:6)

Then the angel said to me, "The waters where the prostitute is ruling represent masses of people of every nation and language.
(Revelation 17:15)

Today, more than 15 million Muslims visit Mecca annually, including several million during the few days of the Hajj. As a result, Mecca has become the most cosmopolitan and diverse city in the world.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the kings of the earth."
(Revelation 17:18)

"Oil has enslaved the world to Saudi Arabia."

https://www.goodreads.com...

Saudis responsible for 9/11 yet in the clear?

http://www.cnn.com...

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For all the nations have drunk the maddening WINE of her adulteries. The kings of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries."
(Revelation 18:3)

Speaks for itself...

http://www.therichest.com...

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Mystery Babylon-

http://youtu.be...

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Proof of Mystery Babylon-

http://www.debate.org...

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The Pale (Green) Horse

The color of Death's horse is written as khl!3;ros in the original Koine Greek, which means green.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come and see!" I looked and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over 1/4 of the earth to kill BY THE SWORD. (Revelation 6:7-8)

1/4 of world is Muslim-

http://edition.cnn.com...

The "Sword of Islam"

http://youtu.be...

"The "Sword of Islam" 2

http://youtu.be...

"More Swords of Allah"

https://ansaaar1.wordpress.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/21/2016 5:21:40 PM
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The white horse rider is not Christ in this part. If you read it Christ himself opened up the scroll that shows these 4 riders. Every preacher I've ever heard said this rider is imitating Christ. Every one. And it makes sense. Some say it's the antichrist.

There is a verse about he who is faithful and true, etc speaking of Christ, but that is a whole seperate idea.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/21/2016 5:59:08 PM
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Here is an example of what has been taught before concerning the white horse in this case of a "white horse.

http://www.biblestudytools.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/21/2016 6:49:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 5:21:40 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The white horse rider is not Christ in this part. If you read it Christ himself opened up the scroll that shows these 4 riders. Every preacher I've ever heard said this rider is imitating Christ. Every one. And it makes sense. Some say it's the antichrist.

There is a verse about he who is faithful and true, etc speaking of Christ, but that is a whole separate idea.

Just shows how little they know doesn't it.

The rider of the white horse is indeed Christ and it is not he who opens the scrolls, it is an Angel.

You believe what men tell you. I'll stick with the truth thanks.
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4/21/2016 6:52:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 5:59:08 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Here is an example of what has been taught before concerning the white horse in this case of a "white horse.

http://www.biblestudytools.com...

I have said it before and I say t again. I don't care what men who should know better, and sometimes do, say.

Just as scripture commands us, I do not trust men. Any men. I believe only what can be proven using scripture.

I care abut what scripture says, and what fits the overall harmony of scripture.

I shall stick with the truth thanks al the same.
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4/21/2016 6:54:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 5:18:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The White Horse
I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come and see!" I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. ( Revelation 6:1-2)

Ah yes of course, sorry, it is Christ who opens the scroll at that point. My error.

However it is still Christ who is riding the white horse.

Hey I'm human and I make mistakes.

When are you going to learn from yours, they are much worse than any I have made.
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4/21/2016 6:55:53 PM
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At 4/21/2016 4:23:55 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 4/21/2016 4:07:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
The JWs used to use the KJV. Satan pulled them into the false doctrine fortold in the New Testament.

It's a close tie between you and MCB, neck and neck, on who's the most dishonest individual around here. He lies when he passes judgement on so-called apostate books he himself admits to not having read, you lie when you say you have studied evolution for 30 years but can't even keep up with the appropriate terminology and fluster and fumble around with the most basic as far as basic evolutionary concepts go.

Both profess to be Christians, though neither accepts the other really is one.

Ah!

We have proven evolution is your religion accepted on faith. The fossil record rejects it. No ever witnessed evolution changing a kind has ever been witnessed. The cambrian explosion refutes it. No one understands how dna could ever be begotten without preexisting dna. You have become a zealot to your faith. What does this faith give you in the end...

Notta
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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