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Stronn
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4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...
Chloe8
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4/21/2016 7:17:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

What a sad case. If an adult wants to refuse medical care then that's up to them. But to impose these rules on your child before they reach adulthood is cruel and certainly constitutes abuse and neglect. I'm no legal expert but in the uk where I live I'm fairly sure they would be convicted. They have clearly prevented a child obtaining medical care that seems likely to cause this young woman's death. It's unfair for people to impose their religion on their children. It should clearly be illegal to deny a child medical treatment on religious grounds.
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4/21/2016 7:27:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

Well there's a long tradition among Christians to pass on medical treatment. Notoriously, Jehovah's witnesses refuse blood transfusions and have devised a completely non-biblical policy with regard blood fractions, deeming some non-acceptable, while the taking of others is left to the individual's conscience, in what is a striking parallel to what the Pharisees are said to have done around 33 CE.

The death toll among Jehovah's witnesses who refuse blood transfusions grows continuously. Give them the middle finger.
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4/21/2016 10:14:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

didn't the american supreme court recently pass a ruling on mandatory vaccinations, depending on what you think as a parent is that child abuse??
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4/22/2016 6:47:12 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 10:14:09 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

didn't the american supreme court recently pass a ruling on mandatory vaccinations, depending on what you think as a parent is that child abuse??
That would come under the heading of concerned and informed protection of children, at least in the thinking world it would.
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4/22/2016 7:26:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

That is child abuse, the social services should always remove children from families believing in such crazy nonsense as they are putting their kids in danger.

The members of IS believe in an abusive doctrine, and are condemned by all right minded people, the same should go for Christian extremists.
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4/22/2016 9:16:56 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

Child abuse.

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4/23/2016 8:33:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/22/2016 6:47:12 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/21/2016 10:14:09 PM, graceofgod wrote:
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

didn't the american supreme court recently pass a ruling on mandatory vaccinations, depending on what you think as a parent is that child abuse??
That would come under the heading of concerned and informed protection of children, at least in the thinking world it would.

assuming you trust what is in the vaccination is actually good for the child, the fact the parent, the legal guardian has no choice is more than a little worrying...
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4/23/2016 8:55:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

This seems to be a law protecting a parents 'right' to harm the health outcomes of a child in support of their own beliefs.

So at the very least it breaches ancient ethics enshrined in both Christian and pre-Christian thought: primum no nocere.

That's a bad law, protecting a bad practice, which could easily be defined as an evil one, under reasonable definitions of evil.
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4/24/2016 3:48:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

Duh, the parents should have aborted the baby girl before she turned 3 and had a consciousness. Why will people not let the State raise their children? It's clear the government knows what is best. I mean as long as that government is a secular government where there is no mention of God anywhere.
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4/24/2016 4:25:40 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 3:48:08 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

Duh, the parents should have aborted the baby girl before she turned 3 and had a consciousness. Why will people not let the State raise their children? It's clear the government knows what is best. I mean as long as that government is a secular government where there is no mention of God anywhere.

Duh, answer the question, is this kind of thing protected under religious freeedom ?
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4/24/2016 2:57:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 3:48:08 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/21/2016 6:55:49 PM, Stronn wrote:
A 20-year-old Idaho woman was born with a heart defect that could have been surgically corrected at birth. But her parents, members of the Followers of Christ, a Pentacostal sect that does not believe in medical care and instead relies on prayer and faith healing, never took her to a doctor despite her chronic health problems. She finally threatened her father into taking her to a doctor two years ago. She has irreversible heart damage, and will likely die soon without a lung and possibly a heart transplant. She has cut off all contact with her parents, and wants them prosecuted.

The parents are unlikely to face prosecution, however. Under Idaho law "...no child whose parent or guardian chooses for such child treatment by prayers through spiritual means alone shall be deemed for that reason alone to be neglected or lack parental care."

Is this a case of religious freedom or child abuse?

http://www.foxnews.com...

Duh, the parents should have aborted the baby girl before she turned 3 and had a consciousness. Why will people not let the State raise their children? It's clear the government knows what is best. I mean as long as that government is a secular government where there is no mention of God anywhere.

Are you referring to the very same secular government that allow you freedom of religion and freedom of speech? Perhaps, you would much rather live in a state where God is indeed mentioned, but it just isn't your God mentioned. See how that works for you, Mr. Pot.
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4/24/2016 3:00:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
I'm not saying that the parents made the right decision, but I will say that I think calling it child abuse is going a bit far.
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