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matt8800
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4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.
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4/23/2016 5:08:25 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?
What would the statistics show? Oh! Look! Those twenty prayed for someone to care about them, but only 7/10 Muslims had their prayers answered while 9/10 Christians had there's answered
And that's assuming that the prayer is being answered how the person wants it to be answered, not what is really best

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?
Maybe because naturally if they have complete faith in their religion then they believe in its practice?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.
or that there are merely different interpretations of the truth
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4/23/2016 5:14:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:08:25 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?
What would the statistics show? Oh! Look! Those twenty prayed for someone to care about them, but only 7/10 Muslims had their prayers answered while 9/10 Christians had there's answered
And that's assuming that the prayer is being answered how the person wants it to be answered, not what is really best

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?
Maybe because naturally if they have complete faith in their religion then they believe in its practice?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.
or that there are merely different interpretations of the truth

any more of these type of ridiculous threads or can I go to bed now?
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4/23/2016 5:30:07 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Once again with the "you asked this-did you get what you asked-If not, where is your God?"

I don't think its that hard to understand that what we ask for is what is necessarily what is the best for you, your family, or otherwise.
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4/23/2016 5:45:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

This would be an easily studied phenomenon if Prayer was like put a dollar in a vending machine or ordering what we wanted from catalog.

Then you could calculate what god, or wholesaler, shipped in the best times, or filled the most orders.

This is an immature and unrealistic view of prayer. And sadly it is held by many religious people.

When you were growing up did you ask your parents for stuff? Did you always get what you wanted?
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4/23/2016 7:36:39 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:30:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
Once again with the "you asked this-did you get what you asked-If not, where is your God?"

I don't think its that hard to understand that what we ask for is what is necessarily what is the best for you, your family, or otherwise.

Those like YOU call your God(s) a LIAR!

Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven. (Matt. 18:19) KJV story book

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Again, I tell you the truth,30 if two of you on earth agree about whatever you ask, my Father in heaven will do it for you. (Matt. 18:19) NET story book

Can't you clowns get even one other to agree what to ask for? LMAO@U!

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If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you. (John 15:7) ESV Story book

Those disbelievers like YOU change that to -

If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatever you wish, and it MIGHT be done for you IF I AGREE WITH IT! (John 15:7)
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4/23/2016 7:38:06 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

At best prayer has a placebo effect, imo.
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4/23/2016 2:30:18 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 7:38:06 AM, tarantula wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

At best prayer has a placebo effect, imo.

I agree. Even if there was something a bit more, the fact that all religions believe in answered prayers means that all religions would be equally acceptable to God. If all the religions are equally acceptable, the details don't matter.
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4/23/2016 2:35:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:08:25 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?
What would the statistics show? Oh! Look! Those twenty prayed for someone to care about them, but only 7/10 Muslims had their prayers answered while 9/10 Christians had there's answered

I would think it would be obvious if one religion had their prayers answered often and another religion never had their prayers answered.

And that's assuming that the prayer is being answered how the person wants it to be answered, not what is really best

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?
Maybe because naturally if they have complete faith in their religion then they believe in its practice?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.
or that there are merely different interpretations of the truth

Then the details of the religion doesn't matter. It wouldnt matter if someone thinks that Jesus was sacrificed for sins because the Muslims or Jews don't believe that. If that is true, that would mean there is a god but all the other central tenants in holy texts are false.
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4/23/2016 2:37:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:45:52 AM, Mhykiel wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

This would be an easily studied phenomenon if Prayer was like put a dollar in a vending machine or ordering what we wanted from catalog.

Then you could calculate what god, or wholesaler, shipped in the best times, or filled the most orders.

This is an immature and unrealistic view of prayer. And sadly it is held by many religious people.

When you were growing up did you ask your parents for stuff? Did you always get what you wanted?

My point wasn't so much that prayer never has any effect. My point was primarily that if God answers the prayers of members of all religions, then the religion doesn't matter. If the religion doesn't matter, than the details in the religion, other than gods existence, are false.
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4/23/2016 2:41:49 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 5:30:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
Once again with the "you asked this-did you get what you asked-If not, where is your God?"

I don't think its that hard to understand that what we ask for is what is necessarily what is the best for you, your family, or otherwise.

Then there is no point in praying.

Its assumed that He would provide what is best no prayer, and if He doesn't answer it, it was not in your best interest anyways.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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4/23/2016 3:18:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 2:41:49 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 4/23/2016 5:30:07 AM, Sam7411 wrote:
Once again with the "you asked this-did you get what you asked-If not, where is your God?"

I don't think its that hard to understand that what we ask for is what is necessarily what is the best for you, your family, or otherwise.

Then there is no point in praying.

Its assumed that He would provide what is best no prayer, and if He doesn't answer it, it was not in your best interest anyways.

In the middle of an errand but I can link you this as an answer
http://forums.catholic.com...
It is a good website for honest questions and answers
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4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/23/2016 3:34:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
2 Corinthians

Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don't believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don't understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/23/2016 3:36:21 PM
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Revelation 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?
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4/23/2016 3:38:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Revelstion 13:3

One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?
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4/23/2016 3:56:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?

There is more than one entity with power trying to pose as God. Anything can be a god. (Little g). That doesn't make them God.(Big G)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/23/2016 3:58:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?

Yes. Allah is a "god" to many because he is worshipped as a "god". But he is not God.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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4/23/2016 3:59:39 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:58:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?

Yes. Allah is a "god" to many because he is worshipped as a "god". But he is not God.

So your god is the only god?
But he can't control his creations?
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4/23/2016 4:09:25 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:59:39 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:58:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?

Yes. Allah is a "god" to many because he is worshipped as a "god". But he is not God.

So your god is the only god?
But he can't control his creations?

He doesn't have to control them. They are all variables that show whether we truely love Him or not. If you face adversity, evil, and attacks, He can find out quickly whether you are making a place for Him in your heart and life or not. If not, He doesn't force His way in. He doesn't have to control anything unless He sees some need to. He sees infinite outcomes. He has picked the version that begats the best possible final product in accordance with what He desires.

If you have time I'll post a video below demonstrating this concept.
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4/23/2016 4:10:02 PM
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Let there Be Light'

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4/23/2016 4:19:06 PM
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Here's one that shows something God might see, or a perspective of God's viewpoint.

"The Library"

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4/23/2016 4:24:00 PM
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God is not bound by time. Example of not being bound by time

https://m.youtube.com...
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4/23/2016 4:25:38 PM
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Oops. The vid above should have been this one.

Not bound by time

http://youtu.be...
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4/23/2016 5:05:52 PM
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At 4/23/2016 3:56:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:46:01 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:42:35 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:36:46 PM, desmac wrote:
At 4/23/2016 3:33:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

Because there is more than one "god" enguaging this world with authority and power.

All these gods created by the same one god?

God created Satan. Satan has demi-godlike ability compared to us. He wishes to be worshipped as a god, yes. The demons(fallen angels) have similar desires. Ironically, the crescent moon seems to be a common theme amongst these "gods". Look up images of diana, shiva, kali, Isis, Baal, Allah...they all have something in common.

So there IS more than one god?

There is more than one entity with power trying to pose as God. Anything can be a god. (Little g). That doesn't make them God.(Big G)

So if the false gods take care of their followers and answer prayers as much as the "true" god, whats the difference who you pray to? How would you know the difference if they don't have the "true" god and you have the false one?
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4/23/2016 6:42:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/23/2016 4:55:38 AM, matt8800 wrote:
If prayer was effective, wouldn't there be a statistical anomaly showing that one religion had a significantly higher percentage of answered prayer?

Why do all religions equally think their prayers are answered?

Either God considers it to be acceptable to belong to no particular religion or one religion is entirely telling the truth and other religions are entirely lying.

1 reason from Quran and Hadith...

2:216 Quran
Fighting has been enjoined upon you while it is hateful to you. But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you. And Allah Knows, while you know not.

God knows what good for u when and how.

From Hadith...

no prayer of a Muslim goes unanswered. one of three things happens:
1) The person gets what they want.
2) A calamity is removed from that person"s life instead.
3) The du"a is saved as a treasure in the hereafter.
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