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AWSM0055
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4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?
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4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?
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4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust...
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.
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4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...
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4/25/2016 6:17:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently. : :

Where in the scriptures does it say our individual personalities will resurrect into Adam ( or Eve ) like bodies to start the final journey to eternal life? What makes up an individual personality?
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4/25/2016 6:23:54 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust...

Here is a woman that was blind her whole life and describes sight after having a near death experience. https://www.youtube.com...

These stories might be BS but I don't think they should be summarily dismissed. There seems to be some people that appear to be reasonable that believe they had these experiences. Ive taken the con position on religion but I'm not quick to take a position on an afterlife.

Interesting side note - atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE as a religious person.
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4/25/2016 6:27:44 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Your body gets eaten up by fungus.
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4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter.
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4/25/2016 6:59:02 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust...

Who did they do these experiments on
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4/25/2016 7:02:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter. : ::
You need to clear your mind about religion in this case. It's all about the observed evidence that this guy is talking about. Did you hear him talk about the young woman who only had a brain stem inside her skull but was functioning at a college level intelligence?

I have heard several cases where doctors have removed large parts of the brain and the person functioned normally afterwards. If this is evidence to prove that consciousness has nothing to do with the visible brain, then so be it. If you don't believe this is evidence, then so be it.
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4/25/2016 7:07:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 7:02:29 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter. : ::
You need to clear your mind about religion in this case. It's all about the observed evidence that this guy is talking about. Did you hear him talk about the young woman who only had a brain stem inside her skull but was functioning at a college level intelligence?

I have heard several cases where doctors have removed large parts of the brain and the person functioned normally afterwards. If this is evidence to prove that consciousness has nothing to do with the visible brain, then so be it. If you don't believe this is evidence, then so be it.

I stated I don't discount this video. I believe there is some reasons to suspect that the mind might exist outside the brain. What I take issue with is that people make the false leap that this proves their specific theological beliefs as outlined in the Bible, Quran, etc. I think the fact that atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE proves that religion isn't needed, assuming there is life after death.
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4/25/2016 7:19:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 7:07:35 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:02:29 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter. : ::
You need to clear your mind about religion in this case. It's all about the observed evidence that this guy is talking about. Did you hear him talk about the young woman who only had a brain stem inside her skull but was functioning at a college level intelligence?

I have heard several cases where doctors have removed large parts of the brain and the person functioned normally afterwards. If this is evidence to prove that consciousness has nothing to do with the visible brain, then so be it. If you don't believe this is evidence, then so be it.

I stated I don't discount this video. I believe there is some reasons to suspect that the mind might exist outside the brain. What I take issue with is that people make the false leap that this proves their specific theological beliefs as outlined in the Bible, Quran, etc. I think the fact that atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE proves that religion isn't needed, assuming there is life after death. : :

Religions are the result of building objects with human hands called false gods in the OT prophecies. God used religion and religious people to carry the biblical prophecies from one prophet to the next and eventually to the chosen saints. The prophecies are only meant for the saints to read who are used to write the stories about the future. This gives us great confidence to preach the gospel to chosen believers who are already enlightened to various degrees with knowledge to listen to his voice, which is the gospel.

I have witnessed thousands of enlightened believers who love listening to the voice of God that I speak for. Some can handle everything that I have witnessed but most of them can only handle some of the knowledge that flows from the voice of God.
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4/25/2016 7:35:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 7:19:30 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:07:35 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:02:29 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter. : ::
You need to clear your mind about religion in this case. It's all about the observed evidence that this guy is talking about. Did you hear him talk about the young woman who only had a brain stem inside her skull but was functioning at a college level intelligence?

I have heard several cases where doctors have removed large parts of the brain and the person functioned normally afterwards. If this is evidence to prove that consciousness has nothing to do with the visible brain, then so be it. If you don't believe this is evidence, then so be it.

I stated I don't discount this video. I believe there is some reasons to suspect that the mind might exist outside the brain. What I take issue with is that people make the false leap that this proves their specific theological beliefs as outlined in the Bible, Quran, etc. I think the fact that atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE proves that religion isn't needed, assuming there is life after death. : :

Religions are the result of building objects with human hands called false gods in the OT prophecies. God used religion and religious people to carry the biblical prophecies from one prophet to the next and eventually to the chosen saints. The prophecies are only meant for the saints to read who are used to write the stories about the future. This gives us great confidence to preach the gospel to chosen believers who are already enlightened to various degrees with knowledge to listen to his voice, which is the gospel.

I have witnessed thousands of enlightened believers who love listening to the voice of God that I speak for. Some can handle everything that I have witnessed but most of them can only handle some of the knowledge that flows from the voice of God.

And that is where I consider the line to be crossed into unsubstantiated assertions.
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4/25/2016 7:41:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 7:35:19 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:19:30 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:07:35 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 7:02:29 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:56:57 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

That's an interesting video and I don't dismiss it but it does not yield any support for a specific religion...or an interventionist god as described in religions for that matter. : ::
You need to clear your mind about religion in this case. It's all about the observed evidence that this guy is talking about. Did you hear him talk about the young woman who only had a brain stem inside her skull but was functioning at a college level intelligence?

I have heard several cases where doctors have removed large parts of the brain and the person functioned normally afterwards. If this is evidence to prove that consciousness has nothing to do with the visible brain, then so be it. If you don't believe this is evidence, then so be it.

I stated I don't discount this video. I believe there is some reasons to suspect that the mind might exist outside the brain. What I take issue with is that people make the false leap that this proves their specific theological beliefs as outlined in the Bible, Quran, etc. I think the fact that atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE proves that religion isn't needed, assuming there is life after death. : :

Religions are the result of building objects with human hands called false gods in the OT prophecies. God used religion and religious people to carry the biblical prophecies from one prophet to the next and eventually to the chosen saints. The prophecies are only meant for the saints to read who are used to write the stories about the future. This gives us great confidence to preach the gospel to chosen believers who are already enlightened to various degrees with knowledge to listen to his voice, which is the gospel.

I have witnessed thousands of enlightened believers who love listening to the voice of God that I speak for. Some can handle everything that I have witnessed but most of them can only handle some of the knowledge that flows from the voice of God.

And that is where I consider the line to be crossed into unsubstantiated assertions. : :

You're the one who is making the line, not me. I've already crossed the line a long time ago.
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4/25/2016 8:23:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.

"personality" is not the right word. It has been proven that brain damage or alterations can completely change a person's personality. If you have a soul that rises, unfortunately or maybe fortunately, you don't get to keep your personality.
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4/25/2016 9:22:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Fourth Part
of the Addendum
He said: "Who shall give life to decaying bones?" Say: "He shall give them life who first gave them life, and He is All-Knowing concerning all creation."59
As was illustrated in the third comparison in the Ninth Truth of the Tenth Word, some personage may one day summon together before your eyes a great army. If someone were then to say, "that personage is able to call together the troops in his army, who had dispersed to take rest, and assemble them again in battalions," and you were to say, "I don"t believe it," you know well how lunatic would be your denial. So too, an All- Powerful and All-Knowing Being Who out of nothing recorded and put in place, with the command of, "Be!", and it is, all the particles and subtle aspects of the bodies of all animals and other animate beings, as if they were an army with the utmost orderliness and wise equilibrium, and Who creates each century, or rather each spring, the hundreds of thousands of different species and groups of animate beings that populate the face of the earth, each like an army " such a Being can gather together, with one blow on the trump of Israfil, all the fundamental particles and original components that enjoy mutual acquaintance through joint submission to the order of the body that corresponds to a battalion. Were you to say, "how can this be?" or consider it unlikely, it would be idiotic lunacy.
It sometimes happens in the Qur"an that, in order to impress upon the heart the wondrous deeds He will perform in the hereafter and to prepare the mind for acceptance of them, God Almighty mentions the wondrous deeds He performs in this world as a kind of preparation. Alternatively, He may sometimes mention the wondrous deeds He will perform in the future and the hereafter in such a fashion that we are convinced of them by analogy with the similar deeds we observe in this world. One example is furnished by the verse,
Has not man seen that We created him from a drop of sperm? And then he becomes an open disputer.60
and the remaining verses of the same sura. The All-Wise Qur"an thus proves the question of resurrection in seven or eight different forms.
It first directs man"s attention to his own origins. It says "you see how you advanced from a drop of sperm to a drop of blood, from a drop of blood to a formless lump of flesh, and from a formless lump of flesh to human form. How, then, can you deny your second creation? It is just the same as the first, or even easier of accomplishment for God." God Almighty also refers to the great bounties He has bestowed on man with phrases such as:
He Who made fire for you from the green tree61
and says to man: "Will the Being Who thus bestowed bounty upon you leave you to your own devices, in such fashion that you enter the grave to sleep without rising again?" He also hints at the following: "You see how dead trees come to life and grow green again. Refusing to regard as a parallel the reanimation of your bones, that resemble dry wood, you dismiss the whole matter as improbable. Now is it at all possible that the One Who creates the heavens and earth should not be empowered over the life and death of man, the fruit of heaven and earth? Do you imagine that He would make fruitless and vain the tree of creation that He has moulded with wisdom in all its parts, by abandoning the supreme result of that tree?"
The Qur"an says further: "The Being That will restore you to life at resurrection is such that the whole cosmos is like an obedient soldier of His. It bows its head submissively whenever it hears the command,
"Be!", and it is.62
To create a spring is easier for Him than the creation of a flower. To create the whole of the animal realm is as easy for His power as creating a fly. None may belittlingly challenge His power by saying to Him:
Who will give life to the bones?63
Then, from the verse,
Glory be to Him in Whose hand lies the sovereignty of all things,64
we see that the index of all things is in His hand, the key to all things is in His possession; He rotates night and day, winter and summer, with as much ease as if He were turning the pages of a book. He is an All-Powerful, Glorious Being Who closes the door on this world and opens it on the hereafter as if they were two stations. This being the case, as the result of the mentioned evidences,
To Him you shall return,65
that is, He will bring you back to life from your graves, take you to the plain of resurrection, and judge you in His majestic presence.
Now these verses prepare the mind and make ready the heart to accept the reality of resurrection, for they have demonstrated parallels to resurrection in worldly processes. Sometimes it also happens that He mentions the deeds He will perform in the hereafter in such a way as to draw attention to their worldly parallels, so that no room should be left for doubt and denial. Examples are the Suras introduced by these verses:
When the sun is rolled up,66
When the heavens are torn asunder.67
In these Suras, God Almighty mentions resurrection and the vast revolutions and dominical deeds that shall take place at that time, in such a fashion that man thinks of their worldly parallels that he has seen in autumn and spring, and then, with awe in his heart, easily accepts what the intellect would otherwise refuse. Even to indicate the general meaning of the three suras just mentioned would take very long. Let us, then, take simply one word as a specimen of the whole. With the words,
When the pages are spread out,68
God Almighty expresses the following: "Upon resurrection, everyone"s deeds will be revealed on a written page. This appears to be very strange, and totally beyond the reach of reason. But as the Sura indicates, just as the resurrection of the spring is a parallel to other matters, so too the "spreading out of pages" has a very clear parallel. Every fruit- bearing tree, every flowering plant has its deeds, actions and functions. It performs a certain kind of worship, depending on the fashion in which it glorifies God through the manifestations of His Names. Now all of its deeds and the record of its life are inscribed in all the seeds that are to emerge next spring in another plot of soil. With the tongue of shape and form, the seeds make eloquent mention of the origins of those deeds, and spread out the page of deeds together with branch, twig, leaf, flower and fruit. He Who says: "When the pages are spread out" is the same Being That performs, before our eyes, these wise, preserving, nurturing and subtle acts.
Compare other matters with this by analogy, and deduce the truth if you have the capacity. Let us aid you with the following. The verse, When the sun is folded up, refers to a brilliant similitude and hints at its parallel:
First: God Almighty has cast aside the curtains of non-being, the ether
and the heavens to bring forth from His treasury of mercy and show to the world a jewel- like lamp illumining the world " the sun. After closing the world, He will wrap that jewel again in His veils and remove it.
Second:
...source: risale-i nur collection
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4/25/2016 9:24:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Second: The sun may be depicted as an official entrusted with the task of distributing the commodity of light over the globe, and causing it and darkness to succeed each other. Every evening the official is ordered to gather up the light. It may sometimes happen also that his trade may be slackened when he is hidden by the veil of a cloud. At other times it may be that the moon will also form a veil, and hinder his task. Now just as that official has his goods and ledgers gathered up for inspection, so too he will one day be relieved of his duties. Even if there be no cause for his dismissal, there are two dark spots on the sun "now small, but liable to grow" that one day will grow to the point that the sun will take back, by dominical command, the light it now wraps around the head of the earth, and wrap it around its own head. It will then be told: "Come, your task on earth is now complete. Go to Hell, and burn there those who have worshipped you and thus mocked with faithlessness an obedient servant like you." With its own dark and scarred face, it will read out the decree, "When the sun is rolled up."
...from the risale-i nur collection
...source: risale-i nur collection
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4/25/2016 10:07:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 8:23:36 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.

"personality" is not the right word. It has been proven that brain damage or alterations can completely change a person's personality. If you have a soul that rises, unfortunately or maybe fortunately, you don't get to keep your personality. : :

In fact, none of us will remember living in the first part of the program;

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
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4/25/2016 11:08:25 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 8:23:36 PM, slo1 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.

"personality" is not the right word. It has been proven that brain damage or alterations can completely change a person's personality. If you have a soul that rises, unfortunately or maybe fortunately, you don't get to keep your personality.

A person's personality changes continuously however slight the change.

Every new thing learned, every new experience helps form it, since that is what our personality is, the sum total of our reactions to the experiences we have as we live.

However I cannot think of a better word for it.

Scripture describes our soul as our life, which dies when we do.

As scripture says "Adam became a living soul", though some less accurate translations say person.

What we are, the essence of "us" is made up of the patterns formed in our brains, and it is those patterns which Jehovah re-creates, through his son, in the new bodies we get at our resurrection.

I heard it best described by the relative of a sufferer of Alzheimer's who said that the worst part of watching their father sink deeper into the disease was watching him "loose himself", forget who and what he was.
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4/26/2016 10:41:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 6:14:05 PM, musicalone wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust... : :

You need to watch this video; https://www.youtube.com...

No I don't think I will.
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4/26/2016 10:41:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.

What proof do you have? Actually, don't bother, I can already guess what your gonna say:

"We will resurrected, cos the bible says so, hail Jehovah"

*Nazi salute*
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

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Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/26/2016 10:51:54 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/26/2016 10:41:44 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 5:55:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

No, but you have forgotten to mention what will happen after that.
After the dead bodies have been in the ground for as long as need be, the personalities which inhabited them will be resurrected into Adam (or Eve) like bodies to start on the final journey to eternal life in absolute Peace and security - permanently.

What proof do you have? Actually, don't bother, I can already guess what your gonna say:

"We will resurrected, cos the bible says so, hail Jehovah"

*Nazi salute*

Why would I bother telling you a truth you do not wish to know?

Matthew 7:6 "Do not give what is holy to dogs nor throw your pearls before swine, so that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.

There isn't a question that isn't answered in the Bible even if the answer may sometimes be "forget it", but then that's life isn't it.
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4/26/2016 10:53:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 6:23:54 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust...

Here is a woman that was blind her whole life and describes sight after having a near death experience. https://www.youtube.com...

Pseudoscience 101:

"See *insert person here*. He/she had a permanent disability, and was (somehow) cured by *insert magic medicine here*. Here's a YouTube clip depicting my anecdotal evidence!"

These stories might be BS

No no no, it is BS.

but I don't think they should be summarily dismissed.

Yes they should, especially considering your giving YOUTUBE as evidence.

There seems to be some people that appear to be reasonable that believe they had these experiences.

"Well it seems reasonable, therefore it hopefully-probably-sorta-kinda-possibly-maybe might be true!"

Ive taken the con position on religion but I'm not quick to take a position on an afterlife.

You die, you rot, that's it. Grow up.

Interesting side note - atheists are just as likely to have a positive NDE as a religious person.

Any human can as the brain is starved of oxygen and therefore hallucinates.

http://www.livescience.com...
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Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

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4/26/2016 10:56:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/25/2016 6:59:02 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/25/2016 2:43:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 1:19:03 PM, 12_13 wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

How did you get the knowledge? Have you tested it?

Yes. It has been shown that removing parts of the brain causes the person to become less and less conscious or aware. For instance, if I removed your occipital lobe, you would lose sight and thus be less conscious or aware of your environment. Thus, it follows that killing the entire brain removes all consciousness.

In other words, brain or bust...

Who did they do these experiments on

What, the eyesight thing? No one. It's just common sense. If I removed your arm, you won't be able to move your fingers. Duh. So if I removed the part of your brain controlling vision, you would have no vision. Duh.
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

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Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/26/2016 11:05:31 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.
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4/26/2016 1:41:08 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/26/2016 11:05:31 AM, tarantula wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Well provide it...as long as it isn't some pseudoscientific website or quak website or YouTube or blog website...
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/26/2016 1:42:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/26/2016 11:05:31 AM, tarantula wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Sorry never mind, I misread your post. You said there is no evidence to suggest otherwise. I thought you said there was evidence to suggest otherwise.
"Evolution proves necessity is the mother of invention" - David Henson

"Calling my atheism a religion, is like calling my non-stamp-collecting a hobby" - MagicAintReal 2016

___________________________________________________________________________________________

Matt8800: "When warring men kidnap damsels of the enemy, what do they do?"

Jerry947: "They give them the option of marriage."

Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

http://explosm.net...
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4/26/2016 2:41:27 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/26/2016 1:41:08 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/26/2016 11:05:31 AM, tarantula wrote:
At 4/24/2016 5:32:03 AM, AWSM0055 wrote:
*insert profound briefing*

I've answered the question "What happens to us when we die":

Drum roll please...

https://m.youtube.com...

Nothing. Literally, you lose consciousness and your body rots. Any objections?

There is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Well provide it...as long as it isn't some pseudoscientific website or quak website or YouTube or blog website...
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhh? I was agreeing with you!