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SpiritandTruth
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4/27/2016 7:24:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Communists/socialists think that communism/socialism overthrows the oppressive capitalist system. In reality, communism is what happens when the super wealthy buy out the government, all who live under it, and institute feudalism on the population.

How many times will humanity fall for the same old trick again only to never learn its lesson?

They control the economics. They control behind the scenes. They are using the robots to conquer us. They are manufacturing consent with paper work and legal sounding words. They want to keep the population manageable. They want all the resources, and to do this, they need to drastically lower the population.

They want you to consume things that are bad for you, and facilitate every self destructive behavior so that you die quicker. They want to drive you apart and confuse your sexuality so that you won't have children. If you do have children, they will take them away, either by force or by programming them through culture and education. They will infiltrate any movement, any church, any institution and sabotage it from the inside out. They will utter every blasphemy, and shamelessly encourage self worship and pride. They will do anything they can get away with, and they justify themselves by saying, "They deserve this". They understand that more important than how things are is how things look. They believe that the ends justify the means.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

The only way to resist the devil is to accept salvation, and submit to God, who is The Ultimate Reality.

How do you submit to a God you don't know?

Don't be fooled. If you know God, you are a witness to the resurrection, and there is no doubt. Trust not in created things, but The Ultimate Reality. When you find the Kingdom of Heaven, everything will be added to you.

The relationship is The Way, and perfecting one's relationship with God is the art of purifying the heart. To have a pure heart is to see God. When you see God, maintaining the perfect relationship with God becomes a matter of mindfulness toward God and The Way.

It's good to pray regularly and often.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 7:29:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:24:22 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Communists/socialists think that communism/socialism overthrows the oppressive capitalist system. In reality, communism is what happens when the super wealthy buy out the government, all who live under it, and institute feudalism on the population.

How many times will humanity fall for the same old trick again only to never learn its lesson?

They control the economics. They control behind the scenes. They are using the robots to conquer us. They are manufacturing consent with paper work and legal sounding words. They want to keep the population manageable. They want all the resources, and to do this, they need to drastically lower the population.

They want you to consume things that are bad for you, and facilitate every self destructive behavior so that you die quicker. They want to drive you apart and confuse your sexuality so that you won't have children. If you do have children, they will take them away, either by force or by programming them through culture and education. They will infiltrate any movement, any church, any institution and sabotage it from the inside out. They will utter every blasphemy, and shamelessly encourage self worship and pride. They will do anything they can get away with, and they justify themselves by saying, "They deserve this". They understand that more important than how things are is how things look. They believe that the ends justify the means.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

The only way to resist the devil is to accept salvation, and submit to God, who is The Ultimate Reality.

How do you submit to a God you don't know?

Don't be fooled. If you know God, you are a witness to the resurrection, and there is no doubt. Trust not in created things, but The Ultimate Reality. When you find the Kingdom of Heaven, everything will be added to you.

The relationship is The Way, and perfecting one's relationship with God is the art of purifying the heart. To have a pure heart is to see God. When you see God, maintaining the perfect relationship with God becomes a matter of mindfulness toward God and The Way.

It's good to pray regularly and often.

Many extreme Christians are highly unpleasant people who abuse others in the name of their evil version of god!
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4/27/2016 7:34:16 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:29:41 AM, tarantula wrote:
Many extreme Christians are highly unpleasant people who abuse others in the name of their evil version of god!

True identity is not self proclaimed.
True identity is not proclaimed by others.
True identity is what it is.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 8:24:11 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
It's an identity fallacy.

Demographics are used as a tool of oppression.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 8:58:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 8:24:11 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It's an identity fallacy.

Demographics are used as a tool of oppression.
As is the idiocy of the bible and koran.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/27/2016 9:06:55 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 8:58:08 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/27/2016 8:24:11 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
It's an identity fallacy.

Demographics are used as a tool of oppression.
As is the idiocy of the bible and koran.

Are you desmac?
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4/27/2016 9:13:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:24:22 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Communists/socialists think that communism/socialism overthrows the oppressive capitalist system. In reality, communism is what happens when the super wealthy buy out the government, all who live under it, and institute feudalism on the population.

How many times will humanity fall for the same old trick again only to never learn its lesson?

They control the economics. They control behind the scenes. They are using the robots to conquer us. They are manufacturing consent with paper work and legal sounding words. They want to keep the population manageable. They want all the resources, and to do this, they need to drastically lower the population.

They want you to consume things that are bad for you, and facilitate every self destructive behavior so that you die quicker. They want to drive you apart and confuse your sexuality so that you won't have children. If you do have children, they will take them away, either by force or by programming them through culture and education. They will infiltrate any movement, any church, any institution and sabotage it from the inside out. They will utter every blasphemy, and shamelessly encourage self worship and pride. They will do anything they can get away with, and they justify themselves by saying, "They deserve this". They understand that more important than how things are is how things look. They believe that the ends justify the means.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

The only way to resist the devil is to accept salvation, and submit to God, who is The Ultimate Reality.

How do you submit to a God you don't know?

Don't be fooled. If you know God, you are a witness to the resurrection, and there is no doubt. Trust not in created things, but The Ultimate Reality. When you find the Kingdom of Heaven, everything will be added to you.

The relationship is The Way, and perfecting one's relationship with God is the art of purifying the heart. To have a pure heart is to see God. When you see God, maintaining the perfect relationship with God becomes a matter of mindfulness toward God and The Way.

It's good to pray regularly and often.

I think you have hold of the wrong end of the stick. What you describe is the natural outcome of unfettered capitalism.

I am puzzled by the way Americans use words like socialism and liberalism as epithets, without any regard for the meanings of the words.

In my country, Canada, in pioneer times, people worked together for each other's benefit with events such as barn raisings. This eventually led to things like co-operative enterprises. The socialist impulse comes from just such undertakings.

It is instructive that the best functioning countries have social democratic governments and are unreligious, while the USA, in the grip of the rich and the rabidly religious, can barely govern itself.
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4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 4:30:22 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The idea that America is a "Christian nation" is a myth. America is of the most perversely pagan places on the planet. That is part of the reason it looks very religious. Pagans tend to be very religious. Christianity is not a religion, though there are Christian based religions. There is a difference.

There is an active effort to paganize the country, as I stated in the OP. It is done through the education system, entertainment industry, and every form of media. Pagans are easy to make money off of because being worshipers of creation, they are more likely to spend money on vanities.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 4:58:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

It looks to me that it is the greedy rich capitalists who are doing what you describe, not socialists. They seem to be adept at convincing people to act against their own best interests.

If people act together through government (elected, mind you), society can function for everyone's benefit. If everyone acts for themself, you will see a few grabbing all the goodies.

I'll give you an example; I have just received a cancer diagnosis. Because I live in Canada with socialized medicine, I don't need to worry about being beggared by the care I will receive, which has so far been top-notch. It doesn't bother me at all that some of my taxes are used to care for others: we are all in it together.
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4/27/2016 5:08:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 4:58:42 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

It looks to me that it is the greedy rich capitalists who are doing what you describe, not socialists. They seem to be adept at convincing people to act against their own best interests.

If people act together through government (elected, mind you), society can function for everyone's benefit. If everyone acts for themself, you will see a few grabbing all the goodies.

I'll give you an example; I have just received a cancer diagnosis. Because I live in Canada with socialized medicine, I don't need to worry about being beggared by the care I will receive, which has so far been top-notch. It doesn't bother me at all that some of my taxes are used to care for others: we are all in it together.

Capitalism is not a "system", it's a theory of economics.

You are correct when you say that the greedy rich capitalists want us to move towards communism, and if you follow the money, you'll see this to be true. They aren't doing this because they are capitalists though, capitalism is a means to and end. They aren't really communists/socialists. They are like the anarchist who is really just a closet fascist and thinks that they will be able to gain more power without the state getting in the way.

None of this stuff is going to be presented in the manner it is actually utilized. They will tell you all sorts of wonderful egalitarian BS in order to manufacture consent.

I'm glad to hear you are satisfied with the healthcare in Canada.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 5:19:04 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 5:08:15 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:58:42 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

It looks to me that it is the greedy rich capitalists who are doing what you describe, not socialists. They seem to be adept at convincing people to act against their own best interests.

If people act together through government (elected, mind you), society can function for everyone's benefit. If everyone acts for themself, you will see a few grabbing all the goodies.

I'll give you an example; I have just received a cancer diagnosis. Because I live in Canada with socialized medicine, I don't need to worry about being beggared by the care I will receive, which has so far been top-notch. It doesn't bother me at all that some of my taxes are used to care for others: we are all in it together.

Capitalism is not a "system", it's a theory of economics.

You are correct when you say that the greedy rich capitalists want us to move towards communism, and if you follow the money, you'll see this to be true. They aren't doing this because they are capitalists though, capitalism is a means to and end. They aren't really communists/socialists. They are like the anarchist who is really just a closet fascist and thinks that they will be able to gain more power without the state getting in the way.

None of this stuff is going to be presented in the manner it is actually utilized. They will tell you all sorts of wonderful egalitarian BS in order to manufacture consent.


I'm glad to hear you are satisfied with the healthcare in Canada.

The Muuuurican edumacation system writ large.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/27/2016 5:27:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Yeah, because this is the stuff they teach in American education systems.

Hah, no, they wouldn't let them teach this stuff.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/27/2016 5:39:21 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:24:22 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Trust not in created things, but The Ultimate Reality. When you find the Kingdom of Heaven, everything will be added to you.

It is said that somewhere in the ocean is an island, which, because of the impossibility, of discovering what does not exist, is called the lost island. And they say that this island has an inestimable wealth of all manner of riches and delicacies in greater abundance than is told of the Islands of the Blest; and that having no owner or inhabitant, it is more excellent than all other countries, which are inhabited by mankind, in the abundance with which it is stored.

Now if some one should tell me that there is such an island, I should easily understand his words, in which there is no difficulty. But suppose that he went on to say, as if by a logical inference: "You can no longer doubt that this island which is more excellent than all lands exists somewhere, since you have no doubt that it is in your understanding. And since it is more excellent not to be in the understanding alone, but to exist both in the understanding and in reality, for this reason it must exist. For if it does not exist, any land which really exists will be more excellent than it; and so the island already understood by you to be more excellent will not be more excellent."

If a man should try to prove to me by such reasoning that this island truly exists, and that its existence should no longer be doubted, either I should believe that he was jesting, or I know not which I ought to regard as the greater fool: myself, supposing that I should allow this proof; or him, if he should suppose that he had established with any certainty the existence of this island.


Gaunilo of Marmoutiers, In Behalf of the Fool, 11th century CE [https://legacy.fordham.edu...]
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4/27/2016 7:51:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 5:08:15 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:58:42 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

It looks to me that it is the greedy rich capitalists who are doing what you describe, not socialists. They seem to be adept at convincing people to act against their own best interests.

If people act together through government (elected, mind you), society can function for everyone's benefit. If everyone acts for themself, you will see a few grabbing all the goodies.

I'll give you an example; I have just received a cancer diagnosis. Because I live in Canada with socialized medicine, I don't need to worry about being beggared by the care I will receive, which has so far been top-notch. It doesn't bother me at all that some of my taxes are used to care for others: we are all in it together.

Capitalism is not a "system", it's a theory of economics.

You are correct when you say that the greedy rich capitalists want us to move towards communism, and if you follow the money, you'll see this to be true. They aren't doing this because they are capitalists though, capitalism is a means to and end. They aren't really communists/socialists. They are like the anarchist who is really just a closet fascist and thinks that they will be able to gain more power without the state getting in the way.

None of this stuff is going to be presented in the manner it is actually utilized. They will tell you all sorts of wonderful egalitarian BS in order to manufacture consent.


I'm glad to hear you are satisfied with the healthcare in Canada.

Thank you for your kind comment.

I think you are coming near the mark when you mention fascism. Government and business in cahoots is a feature of that, if I remember rightly. The situation you describe does not match socialism nearly as well. I have sometimes wondered if the American motto should be "I'm all right Jack.".

There does seem to be tinges of fascism in American conservatism, especially the religious kind.
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4/27/2016 10:59:16 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:51:51 PM, Looncall wrote:
I think you are coming near the mark when you mention fascism. Government and business in cahoots is a feature of that, if I remember rightly. The situation you describe does not match socialism nearly as well. I have sometimes wondered if the American motto should be "I'm all right Jack.".


You don't jump right into communism, you've got to ween people into it. The goal is the same.

If you want to see what I mean, just look at Bernie Sanders. He wants to double the minimum wage and raise taxes on the income bracket that small business owners tend to be in. It's redistribution of wealth. It's a step away from taking all the private property and giving to people "according to their need".

Communism is bad, and socialism is a transitory phase to accomplish it. It's a trick, and a lot of people are falling for it.

Fascism is not really all that different than communism in what ends up happening to the people.

Dictatorship of the proletariat just sounds nicer if you're stupid.

There does seem to be tinges of fascism in American conservatism, especially the religious kind.

You say fascism. I think it is important to remember that the Nazi party was called the "National Socialist" party.

They weren't kidding.

There is a reason why they don't translate certain words. You make something sound alien, people don't relate it to what is going on near them.

As an American, I can say that the state of politics in this country is abysmal, and I can also say that liberals are not liberals, and conservatives are not conservatives here. They are all crooks who might as well be on the same team. They are both working together for the eventual same goal.

It's all bought out.

And it would be a huge mistake to relate any of these politicians to whatever faith they profess. The stuff these people do behind the scenes is horrific. There is a lot of black magic and devil worship going on. Yes, that stuff is real, and yes, people do believe in it.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 12:35:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Someday people will actually read and understand the definition of the terms they throw around.

On wonders whether or not the originator has heard of the concept of the withering away of the state.

Methinks we need some Italian dressing or maybe ranch for the word salad that has been flying around this thread.
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4/28/2016 1:37:15 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 12:35:36 AM, Lonely-Bird wrote:
Someday people will actually read and understand the definition of the terms they throw around.

On wonders whether or not the originator has heard of the concept of the withering away of the state.

Methinks we need some Italian dressing or maybe ranch for the word salad that has been flying around this thread.

I know what the manifesto says.

I also know enough about how the real world works.

You want to know how communism is really used? To exploit the dummies who actually buy into it.

There is no dissolution of the state, that's ridiculous. Quite the contrary, the state becomes huge, corrupt, thieving, and murderous. It doesn't get rid of the ruling class, it replaces it with something else.

As if the abolishment of private property thing didn't give all this away.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 2:39:26 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 7:24:22 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Communists/socialists think that communism/socialism overthrows the oppressive capitalist system. In reality, communism is what happens when the super wealthy buy out the government, all who live under it, and institute feudalism on the population.

First, Communism and socialism are not even close to being the same thing. If the super-wealthy bought out the government, it would be an oligarchy, not a communist state.

Socialism is what happens when you concede some of your rights for greater protection and involvement by the government, as well as contribute more towards the benefit of your fellow man. Socialism is the middle-ground between perfect Communism and perfect capitalism. Probably the most effective form of government to date.

Communism is what happens when you concede all rights to the aforementioned government, and trust in them, as well as your fellow man, to provide for you, while you try to provide for them. It's really only effective when everyone is perfectly and naturally selfless, which as we have seen is basically impossible. Communism is at best idealistic, at worst entirely impractical. Not evil.

How many times will humanity fall for the same old trick again only to never learn its lesson?

They control the economics. They control behind the scenes. They are using the robots to conquer us. They are manufacturing consent with paper work and legal sounding words. They want to keep the population manageable. They want all the resources, and to do this, they need to drastically lower the population.

Please for the sake of the children, take off your tin hat. This isn't Orwell's 1984. They don't NEED to control us. We already control ourselves through our unrivaled laziness, ignorance, and all around lack of self control. They don't need to supply us with blasphemy and things that are bad for us, we do it ourselves.

They want you to consume things that are bad for you, and facilitate every self destructive behavior so that you die quicker. They want to drive you apart and confuse your sexuality so that you won't have children. If you do have children, they will take them away, either by force or by programming them through culture and education. They will infiltrate any movement, any church, any institution and sabotage it from the inside out. They will utter every blasphemy, and shamelessly encourage self worship and pride. They will do anything they can get away with, and they justify themselves by saying, "They deserve this". They understand that more important than how things are is how things look. They believe that the ends justify the means.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

Communists and Socialists more often than not support the secularization of a State. They wouldn't use God as a reason for anything.

The only way to resist the devil is to accept salvation, and submit to God, who is The Ultimate Reality.

How do you submit to a God you don't know?

Don't be fooled. If you know God, you are a witness to the resurrection, and there is no doubt. Trust not in created things, but The Ultimate Reality. When you find the Kingdom of Heaven, everything will be added to you.

In a world filled with created things, not trusting created things leaves you with a really terrible quality of living.

The relationship is The Way, and perfecting one's relationship with God is the art of purifying the heart. To have a pure heart is to see God. When you see God, maintaining the perfect relationship with God becomes a matter of mindfulness toward God and The Way.

It's good to pray regularly and often.
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4/28/2016 2:45:28 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

I believe you have mistaken communism for Russian communism. Which, if you had literally ever looked at the Republican party and it's representatives, you would know that nothing but unbridled, unfettered, destructive capitalistic ideals would EVER fly in congress.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

You've made it sound like socialism and communism are types of orgies. "doing communism with each other"? Really? I am sorry but this is damn funny.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

Again, dude. Think of the children.
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4/28/2016 2:49:17 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 5:08:15 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:58:42 PM, Looncall wrote:
At 4/27/2016 4:20:45 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Cooperating with each other in order to get things done is not socialism.

Socialism is a state enforced transitional stage to communism.

It's part of a scheme to abolish private property and enslave the populace, not what they want you to think it is. If they told you what they were really doing, people wouldn't be as likely to go along with it.

People can get together and do socialism or even full blown communism with each other if they want. That isn't a big deal. It's when it becomes state enforced that it becomes an issue.

I you don't think this is so, well, this is what I'm talking about, and it is real.

It doesn't have anything to do with me being an American who doesn't know what these words means. The shamans who define our words are those who sculpt our reality! There is an active conspiracy to confound people and manufacture consent by twisting and changing the meanings of words.

It looks to me that it is the greedy rich capitalists who are doing what you describe, not socialists. They seem to be adept at convincing people to act against their own best interests.

If people act together through government (elected, mind you), society can function for everyone's benefit. If everyone acts for themself, you will see a few grabbing all the goodies.

I'll give you an example; I have just received a cancer diagnosis. Because I live in Canada with socialized medicine, I don't need to worry about being beggared by the care I will receive, which has so far been top-notch. It doesn't bother me at all that some of my taxes are used to care for others: we are all in it together.

Capitalism is not a "system", it's a theory of economics.

You are correct when you say that the greedy rich capitalists want us to move towards communism, and if you follow the money, you'll see this to be true. They aren't doing this because they are capitalists though, capitalism is a means to and end. They aren't really communists/socialists. They are like the anarchist who is really just a closet fascist and thinks that they will be able to gain more power without the state getting in the way.

None of this stuff is going to be presented in the manner it is actually utilized. They will tell you all sorts of wonderful egalitarian BS in order to manufacture consent.

You know, i actually agree with you on this. The rich in the country have gotten far out of hand. At this point, blocking socialist and even communist ideals is probably the worst thing we could do for this country. We need more of them to regulate these money-hungry arseholes, and give the nation and the influence back to the voter and blue collar worker. You know who will do that? Bernie sanders. Just saying.


I'm glad to hear you are satisfied with the healthcare in Canada.
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4/28/2016 2:51:48 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 2:39:26 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
Please for the sake of the children, take off your tin hat. This isn't Orwell's 1984. They don't NEED to control us. We already control ourselves through our unrivaled laziness, ignorance, and all around lack of self control. They don't need to supply us with blasphemy and things that are bad for us, we do it ourselves.

Yeah, it's a natural historical cycle that has been documented ad nauseum.

But one disturbing thing you learn when you are involved in the intelligence game, is that there really are active efforts to push this stuff on people and program it into them.

There is sabotage going on, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Socialism facilitates this sabotage, and by the time you hit communism, it's too late. What does USSR stand for again?

If America were to go communist, things would be very different, and people can kiss their rights goodbye.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

Communists and Socialists more often than not support the secularization of a State. They wouldn't use God as a reason for anything.

I didn't say they used God as a reason, I said that they were granted the authority by God.

Which is the truth.

In a world filled with created things, not trusting created things leaves you with a really terrible quality of living.

Your quality of living is going to be terrible no matter how much luxury you have if your heart isn't in the right place. I'm not saying to live in denial of creation.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 2:52:13 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 4:30:22 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The idea that America is a "Christian nation" is a myth. America is of the most perversely pagan places on the planet. That is part of the reason it looks very religious. Pagans tend to be very religious. Christianity is not a religion, though there are Christian based religions. There is a difference.

There is an active effort to paganize the country, as I stated in the OP. It is done through the education system, entertainment industry, and every form of media. Pagans are easy to make money off of because being worshipers of creation, they are more likely to spend money on vanities.

I think you mean secularize. Paganism is an ancient European religion based on nature and its spirits. Also, in comparison to almost any nation world wide, America is EXTREMELY religious, or at least faithful.
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4/28/2016 2:54:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
and I am thinking of the children.

Also, if you are going to talk to me, please don't quote and break up posts. It's annoying. It's kind of like interrupting someone when they are talking, and I would rather not deal with all these quotes everywhere. The text is in the topic already.

Just a request, I'd appreciate it if you would be willing to facilitate me on this.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 2:59:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 2:51:48 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 4/28/2016 2:39:26 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
Please for the sake of the children, take off your tin hat. This isn't Orwell's 1984. They don't NEED to control us. We already control ourselves through our unrivaled laziness, ignorance, and all around lack of self control. They don't need to supply us with blasphemy and things that are bad for us, we do it ourselves.

Yeah, it's a natural historical cycle that has been documented ad nauseum.

But one disturbing thing you learn when you are involved in the intelligence game, is that there really are active efforts to push this stuff on people and program it into them.

There is sabotage going on, whether you acknowledge it or not.

Socialism facilitates this sabotage, and by the time you hit communism, it's too late. What does USSR stand for again?

Russia is LITERALLY the WORST example of socialism or communism being carried out. That was a truly Orwellian state. True socialism is practiced quite effectively in Scandinavian countries like Sweden.

If America were to go communist, things would be very different, and people can kiss their rights goodbye.

That's basically how communism works. You give up your rights in exchange for being taken care of by your fellow man and government, and in turn you care for them.

They have this authority, and it was granted to them by God.

Communists and Socialists more often than not support the secularization of a State. They wouldn't use God as a reason for anything.

I didn't say they used God as a reason, I said that they were granted the authority by God.

Which is the truth.

I don't understand. Are you saying God GAVE them that authority? That they actually have it and don't just claim it? Then what is the point of fighting or resisting them if they have a infinitely powerful being on their side?

In a world filled with created things, not trusting created things leaves you with a really terrible quality of living.

Your quality of living is going to be terrible no matter how much luxury you have if your heart isn't in the right place. I'm not saying to live in denial of creation.

So then what exactly are you saying?
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4/28/2016 2:59:11 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 2:52:13 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
I think you mean secularize. Paganism is an ancient European religion based on nature and its spirits. Also, in comparison to almost any nation world wide, America is EXTREMELY religious, or at least faithful.

The theological understanding of paganism is that it is the worship of creation, not a specific thing. Satanism is a type of paganism. Satanism is worship of the self as God.

And you don't know what you are talking about as far as America being faithful and religious. You're a kid, which leads me to believe that you don't have a lot of experience dealing with real people. If you did, the illusion of people being faithful would dissolve pretty quickly if you understood what that meant.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 3:01:27 AM
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Look, I'm not going to debate socialism with an 18 year old who declares himself a socialist. The only thing that is going to change your mind on this experience in how things actually work.

It's just the truth, and I don't like pulling the age card.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 3:23:39 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 2:59:00 AM, bamiller43 wrote:
I don't understand. Are you saying God GAVE them that authority? That they actually have it and don't just claim it? Then what is the point of fighting or resisting them if they have a infinitely powerful being on their side?

Yes, God gave them the authority. God gives authority to all who have it.

That doesn't mean they will have it forever. They have their appointed times.

So give unto Caesar what is Caesars.

There is an old saying that was considered for seal of The United States by Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson. "Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to God".

The only way to combat the tyranny that is going on is to obey God. The tyrants will do what they can to push us away from God, because it threatens their power.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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4/28/2016 3:39:34 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/28/2016 3:01:27 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Look, I'm not going to debate socialism with an 18 year old who declares himself a socialist. The only thing that is going to change your mind on this experience in how things actually work.

It's just the truth, and I don't like pulling the age card.

I am simply stating that socialism works and has been proven effective, as well as that the way you have defined it is incorrect. All it is. Really no reason to even pull the age card. Kind of a low-blow, and fairly irrelevant towards the subject of debate.