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brontoraptor
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4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.
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4/27/2016 1:23:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Bronto, do you even consider it at all possible that you could be wrong on this issue? I personally doubt that you do.

This is a debate between brontoraptor and Double_R with the resolution, "Atheism is a Religion": http://www.debate.org...

I would encourage people to vote on this one to give Bronto some feedback on his debate and argumentation technique. I don't post this with any malicious intent, just with vain hope. ;P
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4/27/2016 1:39:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

Have you read the options?

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

.... and....? This usually hinges on the validity of the spiritual.

3)There are Atheist churches.

'church' is a rather fast and loose word with what they are. Does having a church automatically make something a religion? Does the lack of a church mean you are not a religion?

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

So you are claiming that "religions" and "the religious" in general have these problems? I am not certain how you feel this is of a net benefit to your cause.

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

I wasn't aware that having literature makes one a religion. I am sure many people will be surprised to find out they are religious for owning texts.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

... I got a Subway coupon, that gives me a free 6 inch when another of equal or lesser is bought. Does that mean Subway is religious? I mean, that is some pretty good news.

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

What doctrine is that?

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Push, and push.... and... well, any resistance starts looking like extremist action.
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4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

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4/27/2016 2:37:11 PM
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Debate in voting period

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4/27/2016 2:40:40 PM
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At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

U r a monkey

Poo nailed it.
My apologies to monkeys.
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4/27/2016 2:57:39 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

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4/27/2016 3:05:14 PM
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At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

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4/27/2016 3:12:53 PM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Oh dear, someone let out the attention depraved child out of his cage again...

I heard the space in your head is vacant. Mind if I store my 1970 Amish quilt collection in there?
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4/27/2016 3:14:10 PM
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At 4/27/2016 3:05:14 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

U r a monkey

U be 2 monkeys

What is it like to know that you are as ignorant as a piece of meat in a butcher's window?
I hope you are proud considering what you could have been.
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4/27/2016 3:20:58 PM
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At 4/27/2016 3:14:10 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/27/2016 3:05:14 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

U r a monkey

U be 2 monkeys

What is it like to know that you are as ignorant as a piece of meat in a butcher's window?
I hope you are proud considering what you could have been.

Well, as they say, if you can't beat your meat, become the meat. I guess that answers his sexual and social frustrations.........
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Matt8800: "Correct! You won idiot of the year award!"

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4/27/2016 3:45:03 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

I would remind you that a secular (in today's world) debate is a atheist debate. though secular is confined to non-religious affairs, in today's world those who claim secular demand that religious thinking and beliefs have nothing to do with the rest of the world outside of a church, of which progressively is happening in the western culture's laws. but atheist thinking and beliefs are ok in secular affairs. hence the effort to convince the rest of the world that atheism isn't a system of belief therefore a religion. because they would be boxed into the very same box they try to put religions in.

there a song that says plainly that everyone wants to rule the world. that is true as it gets. its the main motivation in all social and political endeavors. and not necessarily the whole world, but most defiantly their own world.
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4/27/2016 8:07:34 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Are you saying Christians cannot tell an atheist from a Christian because they are fundamentally similar to Christians? Atheists don't have a problem identifying Christians by their lower IQs.
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4/27/2016 8:23:05 PM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Why does this purely semantically argument mean anything to you? If you know what atheism is, why worry that atheists say it is NOT a religion?
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4/27/2016 8:24:31 PM
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At 4/27/2016 8:23:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Why does this purely semantically argument mean anything to you? If you know what atheism is, why worry that atheists say it is NOT a religion?

No one is worried. If it doesn't matter, then why not admit it is a religion?
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4/27/2016 8:27:06 PM
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At 4/27/2016 8:24:31 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/27/2016 8:23:05 PM, TBR wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Why does this purely semantically argument mean anything to you? If you know what atheism is, why worry that atheists say it is NOT a religion?

No one is worried. If it doesn't matter, then why not admit it is a religion?

Well, because it is not. Now, if YOU choose to insist that it is, that is your own business, not mine.
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4/27/2016 8:57:22 PM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

An honest question requiring an honest reply:

Do you really want to know what atheists think on this matter, diverse as it may be?
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4/27/2016 9:00:37 PM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.
For the same reason that bald people would answer 'bald' on a form that asked 'in what style do you wear your hair'?

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.
Theology frequently claims to be benign, and to know stuff about reality. That can be tested by anyone who thinks that's not true.

3)There are Atheist churches.
...which nobody here attends, and few are even interested in.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias
In other words, it's atheists' fault if they don't respect your scientific ignorance? :D

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.
Which many atheists (like myself) neither own, nor have read.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?
Ditto. I've never possessed an 'atheist pamphlet', and wouldn't know where to acquire one.

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.
Wha? In the US, 60-70% of atheists don't talk to anyone about their irreligion. They list their conversations about irreligion as 'seldom' or 'never'.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.
Atheists have been systematically vilified and persecuted by religious militants for thousands of years.
They have reason to be cranky about that. :)

And you're doing it today, B-boy, and every day you post here.

So in addition to it being atheists' fault if they don't respect your scientific ignorance, it's also their fault if they consider the paternalistic vilification of your supremacist faith unjust and cruel?

Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
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4/27/2016 10:30:34 PM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.
While I used to believe the same, brontoraptor, atheism is the lack of a religion. Hence, the "a-", which means not, and the "-theism", which means the belief in God.
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4/28/2016 12:08:36 AM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Atheism (definition) - "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods."

Religion (definition) - "the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods."

Are those definitions incorrect?

Saying atheism is a religion is like saying lack of belief in God is a belief in god.

This is a good illustration as to why non-religious people view religious people as unintelligent. Even after presented with definitions from a dictionary, somehow you will still feel you are right.

I used to think religion was benign, maybe even a positive in some ways to society. Being on DDO and seeing the inner workings of religious brains, it has solidified my belief that religion robs one of their ability to critically think. It is becoming increasingly hard for me to take religious people seriously.
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4/28/2016 12:12:57 AM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:


.......have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.....


Its interesting that you feel those are inherent traits of religion. For once, we agree.
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4/28/2016 2:52:15 AM
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Bronto, here's what I still don't get... Why do you need atheism be considered a religion? If atheists here stood up and said "yea, I guess you're right, it is a religion" how would that help in making whatever point you are trying to make?

I mean seriously, are you trying to bring religion up to the level of atheism or bring atheism down to the level of religion? You should give that some serious thought (which I know you won't).
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4/28/2016 3:14:11 AM
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At 4/28/2016 2:52:15 AM, Double_R wrote:
Bronto, here's what I still don't get... Why do you need atheism be considered a religion? If atheists here stood up and said "yea, I guess you're right, it is a religion" how would that help in making whatever point you are trying to make?

I mean seriously, are you trying to bring religion up to the level of atheism or bring atheism down to the level of religion? You should give that some serious thought (which I know you won't).

Yea, me too. I don't get the need for Christians to chase this dog. Its like not really a question or problem for me. If you, a Christian, really want to think this, OK. No skin off my nose, but atheism is just not religion. Why make a big deal out of it?
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4/28/2016 3:16:56 AM
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At 4/28/2016 2:52:15 AM, Double_R wrote:
Bronto, here's what I still don't get... Why do you need atheism be considered a religion?

I'd like to suggest two fairly obvious reasons, one dumb and malignant, and the other considered but fallacious. I think both apply to Bronto, but doubt he'll admit to either. Here they are:

Dumb malignance: Bronto likes annoying atheists, which makes him feel superior and virtous. He writes malignant misrepresentations on no research at all, whenever he thinks they'll get a reaction. He likes telling atheists they're religious to annoy them -- whether or not he actually does.

Considered fallacy: Evangelical fundamentlists in general consider secularism emotional and irrational, because in their view it can't possibly be working, and anyone with a rational, objective view should be able to see that it's not. Despite world evidence to the contrary, fundamentalists hold religious activism to be the source of all morality, civilisation and social cohesion. Thus, they hold that religious nationalism is critical to a robust, sustainable civilisation -- and believe that defence of religious nationalism is nothing less than defence of civilisation itself.

To abandon that for secularism then, is to adopt a completely impractical, conscienceless, formless, directionless, nihilistic, hedonistic moral cowardice that weakens civilisation, morality and community. And they believe they can see the evidence of that in the way their traditional paternalistic religious privileges are eroding. And the fact that others can't see it too often strikes Evangelical fundamentalists as a sort of ideological blindness they commonly equate with religion.

Bronto has bought into this zealously. He equates the rise of secularism with a kind of creeping immunodeficiency towards what he sees as the principle evil in the world -- Islam.

As you might expect, his is not a terribly well-researched or well-reasoned view. Like most of his posts he propagates ideas formed principally from hearsay and his own paranoid conjectures. He supports such beliefs as best he can, but doesn't know how to test them, and lacks any grasp of how disturbingly his own bigoted Christian nationalism is seen by moderate Christians, Jews, Muslims and indeed anyone who's not also an Evangelical fundamentalist.

But that's why I think he likes the idea that atheism is a religion. He's inherited some ideas saying that it is, and it gives him a malignant pleasure to repeat them -- even details that have been factually corrected time after time.
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4/28/2016 4:35:47 AM
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At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

U r a monkey
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Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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4/28/2016 6:00:18 AM
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At 4/27/2016 2:40:40 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 4/27/2016 2:01:16 PM, POPOO5560 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

U r a monkey

Poo nailed it.
My apologies to monkeys.

we have group of monkeys here recently :D
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4/28/2016 6:04:02 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/27/2016 2:57:39 PM, AWSM0055 wrote:
At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

Don't feed the troll

tiptoe guy he is super stupid not a troller
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4/28/2016 6:13:19 AM
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Religion: A strong"belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny

Atheism does NOT fit that criteria!

Hence Atheism is NOT a Religion accordingly!
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4/28/2016 8:21:22 AM
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At 4/27/2016 12:51:19 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
1)Under "Religion" many Atheists put "Atheist" on their profile on this forum.

2)Atheists have been a part of several religious debates. Not secular debates. Religious debates.

3)There are Atheist churches.

4)Atheists have a preconditioned dogmatic confirmation bias, that they are not interested in anything that challenges their beliefs.(such as beliefs in abiogenesis or darwinian evolution)

5)Atheism has its own literature just as religious people have the Bible, Quran, etc.

6)There are atheist pamphlets to spread the "good news", or would that be bad news?

7)Atheists go door to door to seek conversions through spreading their doctrine.

8) Atheism has become militant and hostile towards other beliefs. They have become fundamentalists and extremists.

GARBAGE!