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4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf
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4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.
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4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/29/2016 2:19:27 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Let's check it out.
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4/29/2016 2:20:24 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Explain to us how a trilobite became THIS:

http://rebecca-morner.blogspot.com...
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4/29/2016 2:38:00 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?
Of course not. Humans are chordates. Trilobites are not. Don't you know anything about evolution?
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4/29/2016 2:49:09 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:38:00 AM, janesix wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?
Of course not. Humans are chordates. Trilobites are not. Don't you know anything about evolution?

What was there precambrian?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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4/29/2016 4:43:38 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?

Irrelevant to the OP and my comment.
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4/29/2016 8:33:44 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

And now, introducing Project Steve: a comparably meaningless list of 1393 randomly-qualified scientists who support evolution...

...all of them called 'Steve'.

[http://ncse.com...]

Bronto, since we're comparing the lengths of meaningless lists, I don't think your list has even found fifty randomly-qualified Steves opposing evolution. And how many are publishing peer-reviewed papers in biology offering falsifiable nonevolutionary mechanisms anyway?

If you really want to impress with meaningless qualifications and no falsifiable alternatives, you ought to at least try harder. Maybe see how many Zoltans will sign up?
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4/29/2016 8:47:51 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

With an average of eleven people per page, 200 X 11 = 2,200, not all of whom hold qualifications in evolution related subjects.
Who is going to collate a directory of the hundreds of thousands of scientists with relevant qualifications?
One could presumably start with the members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science and the National Academy of Sciences, both of which support the theory of evolution.
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4/29/2016 8:50:40 AM
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None of this matters. Just make a decent argument - it's not hard.
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4/29/2016 11:23:25 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

I find that statement very hypocritical. Evolutionists proclaim the "scientific consensus" among scientists believe evolution is true. In addition, no one on the evolutionist side complains if an evolutionist doesn't have degrees in biology or genetics and argues for evolution.

Ex. Bill Nye "the Science Guy" debated Ken Ham at the Creation Mueseun in Kentucky and his only professional credential is a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. Yet he had the backing of the evolutionist community
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4/29/2016 12:36:17 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

In addition to what Ruv said about Project Steve, note that the "Dissent from Darwinism" statement isn't even a declaration that it's false:

"We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

This is a weak statement that encourages a skeptical attitude towards the theory, but isn't healthy skepticism a good thing to have, in general? Note that these signees don't necessarily endorse another hypothesis/theory by signing this list, as noted in their FAQ.

Dissent from Darwinism: http://www.discovery.org...
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4/29/2016 4:12:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 11:23:25 AM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

I find that statement very hypocritical. Evolutionists proclaim the "scientific consensus" among scientists believe evolution is true. In addition, no one on the evolutionist side complains if an evolutionist doesn't have degrees in biology or genetics and argues for evolution.

Ex. Bill Nye "the Science Guy" debated Ken Ham at the Creation Mueseun in Kentucky and his only professional credential is a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. Yet he had the backing of the evolutionist community

"Evolutionists" appeal to the consensus of experts in related fields. Bronto ' list is a fallacious appeal to authority since his list is not exclusively made up of experts. Secondly, no one, that I'm aware of is appealing to Bill Nye as an authority. (Eg, "I accept Bill Nye's position on evolution as my own because he is an expert") Instead, the appeal is to his arguments which stand on their own merit, not his authority.
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4/29/2016 4:16:18 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 4:12:15 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 11:23:25 AM, NothingSpecial99 wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

I find that statement very hypocritical. Evolutionists proclaim the "scientific consensus" among scientists believe evolution is true. In addition, no one on the evolutionist side complains if an evolutionist doesn't have degrees in biology or genetics and argues for evolution.

Ex. Bill Nye "the Science Guy" debated Ken Ham at the Creation Mueseun in Kentucky and his only professional credential is a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering. Yet he had the backing of the evolutionist community

"Evolutionists" appeal to the consensus of experts in related fields. Bronto's list is a fallacious appeal to authority since his list is not exclusively made up of experts. Secondly, no one that I'm aware of, is appealing to Bill Nye as an authority. (Eg, "I accept Bill Nye's position on evolution as my own because he is an expert") Instead, the appeal is to his arguments which stand on their own merit, not his authority.

...ugh, grammar is my kryptonite.. correction above.
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4/29/2016 7:02:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:49:09 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:38:00 AM, janesix wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?
Of course not. Humans are chordates. Trilobites are not. Don't you know anything about evolution?

What was there precambrian?

Sponges and worms.
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5/1/2016 7:03:55 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?

No, humans didnt evolve from Trilobites, or any Arthopod

Check this out: http://tolweb.org...

(Not looking for an argument, just correcting a mistake)
Meh!
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5/2/2016 4:43:28 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 7:03:55 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?

No, humans didnt evolve from Trilobites, or any Arthopod

Check this out: http://tolweb.org...

(Not looking for an argument, just correcting a mistake)

In the precambrian era all there were, were simple creatures like trilobites. Everything hadto have come from some such simple creature including nicely breasted fit supermodels.
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5/2/2016 7:13:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

200 pages of people who, however they are qualified and what for are absolutely wrong.
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5/2/2016 7:30:04 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 7:13:32 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

200 pages of people who, however they are qualified and what for are absolutely wrong.

Show us a change in kind.
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5/2/2016 7:51:42 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 4:43:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/1/2016 7:03:55 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?

No, humans didnt evolve from Trilobites, or any Arthopod

Check this out: http://tolweb.org...

(Not looking for an argument, just correcting a mistake)

In the precambrian era all there were, were simple creatures like trilobites. Everything hadto have come from some such simple creature including nicely breasted fit supermodels.

There were no trilobites in the Precambrian. There were worms and sponges. There were also Ediacaran fauna, which were a line that most likely died out.

If you understand so little about evolution, why do you deny it so vehemently?
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5/2/2016 8:06:36 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 7:51:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 4:43:28 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/1/2016 7:03:55 AM, Axonly wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:17:11 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 4/29/2016 2:14:04 AM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 4/29/2016 12:14:30 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
www.rae.org/pdf/darwinskeptics.pdf

"Qualified" is not an appropriate adjective. Chemists, geologists, professors, computer science, etc., can not be considered a qualified authority to speak on evolution.

Do you believe trilobites transitioned 5 billion times into human female supermodels?

No, humans didnt evolve from Trilobites, or any Arthopod

Check this out: http://tolweb.org...

(Not looking for an argument, just correcting a mistake)

In the precambrian era all there were, were simple creatures like trilobites. Everything hadto have come from some such simple creature including nicely breasted fit supermodels.

There were no trilobites in the Precambrian. There were worms and sponges. There were also Ediacaran fauna, which were a line that most likely died out.

If you understand so little about evolution, why do you deny it so vehemently?

Let's take a peek...
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5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM
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At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?
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5/2/2016 8:18:52 PM
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At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

Yes. 500 million years worth of time isn't enough to get 1 billion transitions from simple to human. That'd be a transition every 6 months.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/2/2016 8:22:14 PM
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At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

You will now have to explain the Cambrian explosion with sources and a 6,000 page thesis. Okay, go ahead.
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5/2/2016 8:23:00 PM
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At 5/2/2016 8:18:52 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

Yes. 500 million years worth of time isn't enough to get 1 billion transitions from simple to human. That'd be a transition every 6 months.

That's because it must have happened in saltations, which is exactly what the fossil record shows.
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5/2/2016 8:28:37 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 8:23:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:18:52 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

Yes. 500 million years worth of time isn't enough to get 1 billion transitions from simple to human. That'd be a transition every 6 months.

That's because it must have happened in saltations, which is exactly what the fossil record shows.

Show us 1 billion transitions in the fossil record to get from microbes to humans.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/2/2016 8:29:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 8:23:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:18:52 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

Yes. 500 million years worth of time isn't enough to get 1 billion transitions from simple to human. That'd be a transition every 6 months.

That's because it must have happened in saltations, which is exactly what the fossil record shows.

So you think the wind is how we got millions of species...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/2/2016 8:32:00 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/2/2016 8:28:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:23:00 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:18:52 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:10:56 PM, janesix wrote:
At 5/2/2016 8:06:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://www.trilobites.info...

Yes. Your article supports that there were no trilobites in the Precambrian. Anything else?

Yes. 500 million years worth of time isn't enough to get 1 billion transitions from simple to human. That'd be a transition every 6 months.

That's because it must have happened in saltations, which is exactly what the fossil record shows.

Show us 1 billion transitions in the fossil record to get from microbes to humans.

What aren't you getting? I said I think it happened in in saltations, not in billions or millions of tiny incremental random mutations.