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Jovian
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5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.
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5/1/2016 10:34:27 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

John 9 41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
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5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 1:54:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

It just does to show how crazy the Christian evangelical belief system is.
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5/1/2016 2:07:41 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 1:54:11 PM, tarantula wrote:
It just does to show how crazy the Christian evangelical belief system is.

Never fully buy into your own BS, let alone another's BS.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?
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5/1/2016 2:18:11 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?

It's a good thing that salvation isn't by works, I suppose. Who can boast?
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 2:20:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
There was a time when such people would have been chucked into the furnace, the bottom of a jagged cliff, drowned in the sea, burried deep underground, or sacrificed in an elaborate ceremony on top of a mound or something.

God's mercy and grace is an ever expanding thing, I tells ya.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 2:25:48 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:18:11 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?

It's a good thing that salvation isn't by works, I suppose. Who can boast?

This is starting to become fuzzy. Exactly how would God according to the traditions judge people of animalistic intelligence? They can't do anything at all to prove themselves as worthy Christians.
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5/1/2016 2:27:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:25:48 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:18:11 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?

It's a good thing that salvation isn't by works, I suppose. Who can boast?

This is starting to become fuzzy. Exactly how would God according to the traditions judge people of animalistic intelligence? They can't do anything at all to prove themselves as worthy Christians.

No one is worthy before God.

Salvation is not earned.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
Jovian
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5/1/2016 2:27:02 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:20:32 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
There was a time when such people would have been chucked into the furnace, the bottom of a jagged cliff, drowned in the sea, burried deep underground, or sacrificed in an elaborate ceremony on top of a mound or something.

God's mercy and grace is an ever expanding thing, I tells ya.

Society's treatment of them is irrelevant. Now we're talking God's views upon them.
Jovian
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5/1/2016 2:30:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:27:01 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:25:48 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:18:11 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?

It's a good thing that salvation isn't by works, I suppose. Who can boast?

This is starting to become fuzzy. Exactly how would God according to the traditions judge people of animalistic intelligence? They can't do anything at all to prove themselves as worthy Christians.

No one is worthy before God.

Salvation is not earned.

Based on what? It is specified in the Bible that you need a faith in Jesus and at least repent for your sins in order to go to heaven. And the Bible is full of should-dos and shouldn't-dos. Even you said "be nice to others, forgive those who are mean to you". If this isn't any kind of a proving test, then what is?
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5/1/2016 2:35:06 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:27:02 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:20:32 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:

There was a time when such people would have been chucked into the furnace, the bottom of a jagged cliff, drowned in the sea, burried deep underground, or sacrificed in an elaborate ceremony on top of a mound or something.

God's mercy and grace is an ever expanding thing, I tells ya.

Society's treatment of them is irrelevant. Now we're talking God's views upon them.

I think he means that God had little mercy and grace in the past but he has since grown a conscience. Or something.
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5/1/2016 2:35:14 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:30:32 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:27:01 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:25:48 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:18:11 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:12:38 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

How are you supposed to do this if you have since your birth not been able to do more than sit in a wheelchair and do guttural sounds?

It's a good thing that salvation isn't by works, I suppose. Who can boast?

This is starting to become fuzzy. Exactly how would God according to the traditions judge people of animalistic intelligence? They can't do anything at all to prove themselves as worthy Christians.

No one is worthy before God.

Salvation is not earned.

Based on what? It is specified in the Bible that you need a faith in Jesus and at least repent for your sins in order to go to heaven. And the Bible is full of should-dos and shouldn't-dos. Even you said "be nice to others, forgive those who are mean to you". If this isn't any kind of a proving test, then what is?

Everyone is saved. Not everyone realizes they are saved.

Some use this liberty as an opportunity for sin. Others use this liberty to glorify God.

It is written, "by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified."
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 2:36:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism. : :

You started out this post with a lie. There is no place called Heaven and none of God's people have to become faithful. How can God's people become faithful in something they can't possibly see?

If God chose you to listen to His Voice and obey all His commandments, it was meant for His purpose, not man's purpose.

All the flesh of God's people will be judged to death to end this first age. It won't be long before the earth is used to kill all the rest of the flesh that believes they are real people living on a real earth. Only the spirit of man is saved and remains in the Spirit of God until the New Heaven and Earth appears in the minds of men via the Voice of God.
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5/1/2016 2:42:56 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

You sir, are an a$$hat.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.

Clearly, that is the problem, not the solution, especially for you. There are mentally disabled people who are far smarter than you and many other believers here.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/1/2016 2:48:32 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:42:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

You sir, are an a$$hat.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.

Clearly, that is the problem, not the solution, especially for you. There are mentally disabled people who are far smarter than you and many other believers here.

They are diagnosed, and they are open about it.

You on the other hand, are being incredibly hateful and judgmental yourself. You point the finger, you got three pointed at you, right? Who is being a buttcap?

Keep on trollin', loser.

*chucks a worm*
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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5/1/2016 2:49:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:35:14 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Everyone is saved. Not everyone realizes they are saved.
So what the fck are you preaching for?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/1/2016 2:53:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 2:48:32 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
At 5/1/2016 2:42:56 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

You sir, are an a$$hat.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.

Clearly, that is the problem, not the solution, especially for you. There are mentally disabled people who are far smarter than you and many other believers here.


They are diagnosed, and they are open about it.

And, you are taking advantage of them all the while not understanding them or their condition. You need to be diagnosed as you are the one with the mental disorder.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/1/2016 2:59:01 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.

Mentally disabled people will most likely believe in whatever god they are told to believe in. Most other "normal" people are about the same. If you had been born in Pakistan, you would have been Muslim.
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5/1/2016 3:03:14 PM
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At 5/1/2016 2:59:01 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 5/1/2016 12:56:19 PM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
The way isn't that complicated.

Love the truth, love others, forgive those who are mean to you, do good stuff.

There is a mentally disabled person who works at my mission. This person isn't very good at conversation, but this person does their part by cleaning things.

There is another mentally disabled person who works at my mission.. This person isn't very good at conversation either, but this person does their part by working in the garden and cooking at times.

It's not about being smart, and thank God it isn't.

Mentally disabled people will most likely believe in whatever god they are told to believe in. Most other "normal" people are about the same. If you had been born in Pakistan, you would have been Muslim. : :

I have met several of God's believers who are Muslim. I even witnessed several mentally challenged believers who loved listening to the voice of the Lord.
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5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.
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5/1/2016 6:52:28 PM
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At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

You who seems to have a 100% insight into God's brain, can you explain what God looks for in every disabled man with a low intelligence? Do all people with severe mental disabilities go to heaven? If not, then God only chooses some of them. And then, what have the non-chosen ones done that the chosen ones didn't?
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5/1/2016 7:37:35 PM
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At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

That's interesting.

The choice God makes is either arbitrary or not. If it's arbitrary, then God is not just, which would contradict one of his alleged attributes. If it's not arbitrary, then God must have criteria. I'd like to know which.
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5/1/2016 8:15:13 PM
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At 5/1/2016 7:37:35 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

That's interesting.

The choice God makes is either arbitrary or not. If it's arbitrary, then God is not just, which would contradict one of his alleged attributes. If it's not arbitrary, then God must have criteria. I'd like to know which.

God's criteria is the is to act in keeping with the counsel of His own will.
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5/1/2016 8:17:15 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 6:52:28 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

You who seems to have a 100% insight into God's brain, can you explain what God looks for in every disabled man with a low intelligence? Do all people with severe mental disabilities go to heaven? If not, then God only chooses some of them. And then, what have the non-chosen ones done that the chosen ones didn't?

That is the advantage to familiarizing oneself with His Word. Salvation is not contingent on man. Man deserves Hell for breaking God's Law. God is merciful to some and others get justice.
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5/1/2016 8:26:30 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 8:15:13 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 7:37:35 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

That's interesting.

The choice God makes is either arbitrary or not. If it's arbitrary, then God is not just, which would contradict one of his alleged attributes. If it's not arbitrary, then God must have criteria. I'd like to know which.

God's criteria is the is to act in keeping with the counsel of His own will.

So, in other words,
it's arbitrary.

Good to know.
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5/1/2016 8:28:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 8:26:30 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 8:15:13 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 7:37:35 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

That's interesting.

The choice God makes is either arbitrary or not. If it's arbitrary, then God is not just, which would contradict one of his alleged attributes. If it's not arbitrary, then God must have criteria. I'd like to know which.

God's criteria is the is to act in keeping with the counsel of His own will.

So, in other words,
it's arbitrary.

Good to know.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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5/1/2016 8:30:53 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 8:28:23 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 8:26:30 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 8:15:13 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 7:37:35 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

That's interesting.

The choice God makes is either arbitrary or not. If it's arbitrary, then God is not just, which would contradict one of his alleged attributes. If it's not arbitrary, then God must have criteria. I'd like to know which.

God's criteria is the is to act in keeping with the counsel of His own will.

So, in other words,
it's arbitrary.

Good to know.

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Then, take off your blinders so you can see.
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5/1/2016 8:40:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/1/2016 8:17:15 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 6:52:28 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/1/2016 3:07:02 PM, ViceRegent wrote:
At 5/1/2016 9:11:18 AM, Jovian wrote:
In order to go to heaven, you need a faith in God. Many mental disabilities render people unable to do that, some mental disorders even makes the struck people to not be more intelligent than animals, thus the concept of religion will be far away from their mental processes.

So how will God judge these people? Will he give them all some kind of exception and make them go to heaven?

Please also refrain from non-answering answers like "Only God knows". There must be some place in the Bible or any modern day scholar who has encountered this question. If there isn't, then I must truly be a revolutionary unicum in the world of Christian skepticism.

Nonsense. To go to heaven requires God choose you, which makes mental capacity irrelevant.

You who seems to have a 100% insight into God's brain, can you explain what God looks for in every disabled man with a low intelligence? Do all people with severe mental disabilities go to heaven? If not, then God only chooses some of them. And then, what have the non-chosen ones done that the chosen ones didn't?

That is the advantage to familiarizing oneself with His Word. Salvation is not contingent on man. Man deserves Hell for breaking God's Law. God is merciful to some and others get justice.

Can a man with an intelligence of an animal break God's Law?