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5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM
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Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.
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5/3/2016 4:59:50 PM
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At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

Define "kind".
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5/3/2016 5:04:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
"kind"

a group of creatures having similar characteristics.

synonyms:sort, type, variety, style, form, class, category, genre; More
character; nature.

synonyms:nature, essence, quality, disposition, makeup
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5/3/2016 5:06:03 PM
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At 5/3/2016 4:59:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

Define "kind".

Show us "nonbacteria" creatures coming from bacteria.
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5/3/2016 5:10:58 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

You "studied" evolution for 30 years and this is the question you pose? You obviously have no understanding of evolution after all that studying.

Can you name ONE respected evolutionist that claims one species can give birth to an offspring that is a different species?

Strawman after strawman....
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5/3/2016 5:12:57 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

You can't define kind. You can't give the phylogenetic equivalent of kind.
Biologists don't use cattle herder "terminology", just so you know.

I thought you did, given you've claimed to have studied Evolution for 30 years.

Still waiting for you to define kind. We'll talk once you do. Try posting a Youtube video of funny cats, just to divert attention.
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5/3/2016 5:14:35 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:06:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:59:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

Define "kind".

Show us "nonbacteria" creatures coming from bacteria.

Protista.

Monera.

Given your rather loose definition of "kind", that should satisfy.
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5/3/2016 5:15:00 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:10:58 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

You "studied" evolution for 30 years and this is the question you pose? You obviously have no understanding of evolution after all that studying.

Can you name ONE respected evolutionist that claims one species can give birth to an offspring that is a different species?

Strawman after strawman....

Of course Matt. It's the same question nontheists prupose to theists. You can't show us anything, so expect us to take your word for it. "Well it takes millions of years. Trust us." Nope. Show me a testable, measurable sample or you have yet to meet the bare minimal of the scientific method. Atheist faith in action. And for what?
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5/3/2016 5:19:29 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:14:35 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:06:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:59:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

Define "kind".

Show us "nonbacteria" creatures coming from bacteria.

Protista.

Monera.


Given your rather loose definition of "kind", that should satisfy.

2 different kingdoms. One is bacteria. One is not. And neither has been witnessed magically begatting the other.
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5/3/2016 5:19:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:04:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"kind"

a group of creatures having similar characteristics.

synonyms:sort, type, variety, style, form, class, category, genre; More
character; nature.

synonyms:nature, essence, quality, disposition, makeup

So humans and cockroaches have a number of similar characteristics, such as:

1. Both humans and cockroaches are made up of cells.
2. Both humans and cockroaches spend energy and have metabolism.
3. Both humans and cockroaches reproduce.

Tell me, according to the definition you kindly provided, are humans and cockroaches the same "kind"?
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5/3/2016 5:21:38 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:19:29 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:14:35 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:06:03 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:59:50 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/3/2016 4:43:13 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Athomos is a religion of Evolution apologist, yet he refuses to demonstrate to us bacteria producing nobacteria. I've decided to give Athomos an entire thread to demonstrate Darwinian Evolution to us.

Define "kind".

Show us "nonbacteria" creatures coming from bacteria.

Protista.

Monera.


Given your rather loose definition of "kind", that should satisfy.

2 different kingdoms.

Given the nature of your definition, they are also 2 different kinds.

One is bacteria. One is not.

" Show us "nonbacteria" creatures coming from bacteria".

Like I said, I will consider your challenge completed, then. You have one rather simple variety of cell, and another variety of cell with more traits, more complexity, however retaining the traits of other cells from another "kind".

Now, would you like to continue to move the goal posts, or are you done embarrassing yourself?
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5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.
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5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM
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Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/3/2016 5:30:45 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:19:45 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:04:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"kind"

a group of creatures having similar characteristics.

synonyms:sort, type, variety, style, form, class, category, genre; More
character; nature.

synonyms:nature, essence, quality, disposition, makeup

So humans and cockroaches have a number of similar characteristics, such as:

1. Both humans and cockroaches are made up of cells.
2. Both humans and cockroaches spend energy and have metabolism.
3. Both humans and cockroaches reproduce.

Tell me, according to the definition you kindly provided, are humans and cockroaches the same "kind"?

Which humans? You or me?
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5/3/2016 5:32:55 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:19:45 PM, Athomos wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:04:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"kind"

a group of creatures having similar characteristics.

synonyms:sort, type, variety, style, form, class, category, genre; More
character; nature.

synonyms:nature, essence, quality, disposition, makeup

So humans and cockroaches have a number of similar characteristics, such as:

1. Both humans and cockroaches are made up of cells.
2. Both humans and cockroaches spend energy and have metabolism.
3. Both humans and cockroaches reproduce.

Tell me, according to the definition you kindly provided, are humans and cockroaches the same "kind"?

Athomos, you know full well that cockroaches and humans have never reproduced. Show us a human roach. I'll wait.
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5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?
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5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.
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5/3/2016 5:54:47 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?
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5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.
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5/3/2016 5:57:06 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:54:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?

I don't have enough faith to believe in this mystical darwinian means. Have it grant me a wish or something. Or...just have it show itself. Why is it going to such pangs to hide itself?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/3/2016 5:57:20 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.

How about a fish with legs?
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5/3/2016 6:00:45 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:57:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:54:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?

I don't have enough faith to believe in this mystical darwinian means. Have it grant me a wish or something.

It doesn't have the power to do that, its just a concept of explanation.

Or...just have it show itself. Why is it going to such pangs to hide itself?

http://www.amazon.com...

Though its interesting that you grouse about something that bills itself as taking several thousand years, and demand instant results while your average skeptic grouses about something that is supposedly everywhere at all times, all knowing, all powerful....

yet totally undetectable.
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5/3/2016 6:04:00 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:57:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.

How about a fish with legs?

I didn't see an original creature to intermediary to the fish with legs. It may have started with legs and never got them through darwinian means.
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5/3/2016 6:05:53 PM
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At 5/3/2016 6:00:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:57:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:54:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?

I don't have enough faith to believe in this mystical darwinian means. Have it grant me a wish or something.

It doesn't have the power to do that, its just a concept of explanation.

Or...just have it show itself. Why is it going to such pangs to hide itself?

http://www.amazon.com...

Though its interesting that you grouse about something that bills itself as taking several thousand years, and demand instant results while your average skeptic grouses about something that is supposedly everywhere at all times, all knowing, all powerful....

yet totally undetectable.

Humans have been around thousands of years. No wings. No tails. No fins. No beaks.
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5/3/2016 6:06:10 PM
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At 5/3/2016 6:04:00 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:57:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.

How about a fish with legs?

I didn't see an original creature to intermediary to the fish with legs. It may have started with legs and never got them through darwinian means.

So the kind "fish" is characteristic of having legs in your understanding of taxonomy?
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5/3/2016 6:06:17 PM
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At 5/3/2016 5:04:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"kind"

a group of creatures having similar characteristics.

synonyms:sort, type, variety, style, form, class, category, genre; More
character; nature.

synonyms:nature, essence, quality, disposition, makeup

You are using "kind" is a relativistic manner, which means that the term only conveys a specific relationship between two given subjects. This is how "species" works, as well. To give an example, if I point to two "species" or "kinds" of dogs, what does that tell you about those specimens? Nothing except that they are different from each other (hence why I had to add "of dogs" as a descriptor).

Further, your definition is completely subjective and lacks objectively identifiable criteria. To illustrate, say we have a hypothetical experiment involving fruit flies subject to environments designed to encourage genetic changes over many generations. At what specific point would you say that those flies have "changes kinds", by your definition?

And so you know, evolution does not advocate kind-to-kind changes like cat to dog. When speciation occurs (two populations of organisms that have diversified enough to no longer be able to interbreed), a new classification is invented to identify the objectively discernable differences between the two species (since at least two are required for speciation to exist). The new organisms do not lose their previous classifications. Humans are still primates, mammals, and eukaryotes, for example.

Eukaryotes is an example of an absolute classification, rather than a relative one, so that a single specimen can be compared to the established criteria and categorized as such (or not). As such, your relative definition cannot function as an absolute means of classification and fails to establish your contention as coherent.

Definition (from: http://www.biology-online.org...)
noun, plural: eukaryotes
Any of the single-celled or multicellular organisms whose cell contains a distinct, membrane-bound nucleus.
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5/3/2016 6:08:47 PM
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At 5/3/2016 6:00:45 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:57:06 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:54:47 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:52:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?

I don't have enough faith to believe in this mystical darwinian means. Have it grant me a wish or something.

It doesn't have the power to do that, its just a concept of explanation.

Or...just have it show itself. Why is it going to such pangs to hide itself?

http://www.amazon.com...

Though its interesting that you grouse about something that bills itself as taking several thousand years, and demand instant results while your average skeptic grouses about something that is supposedly everywhere at all times, all knowing, all powerful....

yet totally undetectable.

And if nothing has happened in thousands of years, won't a few thousand years begat the same results? And if it takes that long just to get one little transitional change, how did we get the 1 billion intermediary changes toget from precambrian creatures to say...Christy Brinkley?
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5/3/2016 6:09:44 PM
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Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Now come to my home and show me one evolving by darwinian means.

So yes, you are wanting to move your goal posts. Existence is not enough, you require immediate viewing. Does this concept permeate to other realms of your life? Do you require immediate view of money deposited to your bank account to believe the new greater number is correct?

I don't have enough faith to believe in this mystical darwinian means. Have it grant me a wish or something.

It doesn't have the power to do that, its just a concept of explanation.

Or...just have it show itself. Why is it going to such pangs to hide itself?

http://www.amazon.com...

Though its interesting that you grouse about something that bills itself as taking several thousand years, and demand instant results while your average skeptic grouses about something that is supposedly everywhere at all times, all knowing, all powerful....

yet totally undetectable.

Humans have been around thousands of years. No wings. No tails. No fins. No beaks.

No need for any of those, either. Humans probably would need things like different skin pigmentation, or digestive systems that could transition easily from an plant based to meat based diet, along with the teeth to accommodate that. Now adays, though, it might not be as important, so certain teeth might not be required.
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5/3/2016 6:10:41 PM
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At 5/3/2016 6:06:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 6:04:00 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:57:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.

How about a fish with legs?

I didn't see an original creature to intermediary to the fish with legs. It may have started with legs and never got them through darwinian means.

So the kind "fish" is characteristic of having legs in your understanding of taxonomy?

Depends on if it is Linaen system fish or ancient man fish. At one time bats were filed under birds simply because they had wings.
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5/3/2016 6:12:43 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/3/2016 6:10:41 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 6:06:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 6:04:00 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:57:20 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:55:17 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:33:06 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/3/2016 5:28:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Bacteria are not protists. So sorry.

I agree.

Protists are not bacteria, ergo, protists, a non-bacteria are not bacteria.

Just like you asked for.

Now, are you about to dig up your goal posts, or...?

Show me one growing some legs or...perhaps a pair of wings. I'll settle for a bacteria with nipples. Go ahead.

How about a fish with legs?

I didn't see an original creature to intermediary to the fish with legs. It may have started with legs and never got them through darwinian means.

So the kind "fish" is characteristic of having legs in your understanding of taxonomy?

Depends on if it is Linaen system fish or ancient man fish. At one time bats were filed under birds simply because they had wings.

So then your word "kind" is arbitrary. It would serve no purpose, as "kind" is not reflective of any specific taxonomical difference. As such, trying to match existing specie to such a word "kind" would be just as fruitless a there is no reason for you to accept even your own definitions.

Thanks for clearing your intentions up.
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