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5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...
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5/8/2016 2:59:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...

Harikrish, The Plagiarism Champion.

http://www.jwfacts.com...
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
Harikrish
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5/8/2016 3:13:54 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 2:59:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...

Harikrish, The Plagiarism Champion.

http://www.jwfacts.com...

You cannot be that daft. That is hardly a response to the OP " What does it mean to be a Jehovah's Witness?" And not about how you feel about being a low caste untouchable.
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5/8/2016 7:07:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
If we take the two examples we have of Jehovah's Witnesses. One defender is 77 years old and the other 67 years old. Advancing senility appears to be the common link and to both the time is nigh. We should help them separate their fear of demon possession from their dementia and show more compassion for their condition.
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5/8/2016 7:24:10 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 3:13:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:59:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...

Harikrish, The Plagiarism Champion.

http://www.jwfacts.com...

You cannot be that daft. That is hardly a response to the OP " What does it mean to be a Jehovah's Witness?" And not about how you feel about being a low caste untouchable.

LOL. It's hilarious when you react that way, it shows that correct buttons were pushed.

So, how do you feel about being a plagiarist who steals the works of others? No morals or ethics, Hari? Truly a champion in the making.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/8/2016 7:38:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 7:24:10 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 3:13:54 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:59:31 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...


http://www.jwfacts.com...

You cannot be that daft. That is hardly a response to the OP " What does it mean to be a Jehovah's Witness?" And not about how you feel about being a low caste untouchable.


So, how do you feel about being a plagiarist who steals the works of others? No morals or ethics, Hari? Truly a champion in the making.

There is nothing original in their points that needs to be plagiarized. They are commonly known facts.
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5/8/2016 8:46:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 7:38:51 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There is nothing original in their points that needs to be plagiarized. They are commonly known facts.

So among the enormous plethora of topics and subjects you are ignorant of, the concept of plagiarism is yet another. I'm not at all surprised, Sir Champion of Ignorance.
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5/8/2016 8:55:21 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 8:46:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 7:38:51 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There is nothing original in their points that needs to be plagiarized. They are commonly known facts.

So among the enormous plethora of topics and subjects you are ignorant of, the concept of plagiarism is yet another. I'm not at all surprised, Sir Champion of Ignorance.

You cannot even create an interesting topic, but follow everyone around like a dog. That is a habit you picked up as a low caste untouchable looking for Brahmins whose feet you wanted to kiss. Lol!,
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5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...

I see, The JW teachers have proved 100% to be like the Boreans and continuously make sure of all things and make correction when finding error teachings-- they are the only ones on earth who do. and in the end will prove right on all matters.
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5/8/2016 10:50:46 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
You might find it more convenient to just provide a link to the original article, as no one can utilize the broken "more ..." feature. As well, you might find it interesting that JWs do not remain in darkness. If something is found to be wrong or incorrect, they will fix it. There is no shame in correcting oneself as more knowledge becomes available.
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5/8/2016 11:20:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 8:55:21 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 8:46:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 7:38:51 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There is nothing original in their points that needs to be plagiarized. They are commonly known facts.

So among the enormous plethora of topics and subjects you are ignorant of, the concept of plagiarism is yet another. I'm not at all surprised, Sir Champion of Ignorance.

You cannot even create an interesting topic,

Hari thinks plagiarizing a JW website is an interesting topic. LOL.

but follow everyone around like a dog.

Like the way you follow around MCB, copying and pasting the same thing over and over?

That is a habit you picked up as a low caste untouchable looking for Brahmins whose feet you wanted to kiss. Lol!,

I would crush your wart infested feet under the heels of my Daytons.
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5/8/2016 11:37:26 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...

ME: You are a confused person who is not to be trusted with telling the truth. Maybe the Jws have made mistakes, but let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Have you ever admitted a mistake, I would doubt it as you ego would not allow you to think that anything you say is in error.

Being a JW gives one an understanding of our Creator and the requirements that he is asking of us to be faithful and righteous. Jehovah does not ask for anything he knows we cannot do, and acts with love towards all that seek his truth...Why don't you try it?.

Being JW gives one a purpose, not just for the time left in the wicked world but for time everlasting.
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5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...


I see, The JW teachers have proved 100% to be like the Boreans and continuously make sure of all things and make correction when finding error teachings-- they are the only ones on earth who do. and in the end will prove right on all matters.

Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah. These prophesy blunders have been going on for over a100 years.
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5/9/2016 1:42:11 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 10:50:46 PM, tstor wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
You might find it more convenient to just provide a link to the original article, as no one can utilize the broken "more ..." feature. As well, you might find it interesting that JWs do not remain in darkness. If something is found to be wrong or incorrect, they will fix it. There is no shame in correcting oneself as more knowledge becomes available.

These are not the affairs of men but revelations from Jehovah if you believe the JW. The errors and corrections are alarming unless you are willing to see Jehovah as a bumbling genocidal maniac.

As for fixing the errors. The JW changed their position on 'this generation' six times.

"Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?"

List of changes by year.

Original teaching, Since 1927, Since 1951, Since 1995, Since 2008, Current teaching - since 2010"
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5/9/2016 2:03:25 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/8/2016 11:37:26 PM, Peternosaint wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...


Being a JW gives one an understanding of our Creator and the requirements that he is asking of us to be faithful and righteous. Jehovah does not ask for anything he knows we cannot do, and acts with love towards all that seek his truth...Why don't you try it?.

Being JW gives one a purpose, not just for the time left in the wicked world but for time everlasting.

How about six changes in position on 'this generation' by the JW.

"Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?

List of changes by year.

Original teaching, Since 1927, Since 1951, Since 1995, Since 2008, Current teaching - since 2010"
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At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:

I see, The JW teachers have proved 100% to be like the Boreans and continuously make sure of all things and make correction when finding error teachings-- they are the only ones on earth who do. and in the end will prove right on all matters.

Their Historical bumbling & flip-flopping ideology is manifest!

When did they initiate ' Making Sure of All Things? ' for themselves?

Give us that Date?

LMAO@U & Co.
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Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...


I see, The JW teachers have proved 100% to be like the Boreans and continuously make sure of all things and make correction when finding error teachings-- they are the only ones on earth who do. and in the end will prove right on all matters.

Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah. These prophesy blunders have been going on for over a100 years.

The non existent false trinity god the trinities are misleading 2 billion into serving has been going on for over 1500 years. They outright refuse to listen to Jesus.
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Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 6:48:27 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:

I see, The JW teachers have proved 100% to be like the Boreans and continuously make sure of all things and make correction when finding error teachings-- they are the only ones on earth who do. and in the end will prove right on all matters.

Their Historical bumbling & flip-flopping ideology is manifest!

When did they initiate ' Making Sure of All Things? ' for themselves?

Give us that Date?

LMAO@U & Co.


From the start-- they only had error filled trinity translating to use the first 70 years.
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At 5/8/2016 11:20:12 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 8:55:21 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 8:46:51 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/8/2016 7:38:51 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There is nothing original in their points that needs to be plagiarized. They are commonly known facts.

So among the enormous plethora of topics and subjects you are ignorant of, the concept of plagiarism is yet another. I'm not at all surprised, Sir Champion of Ignorance.

You cannot even create an interesting topic,

Hari thinks plagiarizing a JW website is an interesting topic. LOL.

but follow everyone around like a dog.

Like the way you follow around MCB, copying and pasting the same thing over and over?

That is a habit you picked up as a low caste untouchable looking for Brahmins whose feet you wanted to kiss. Lol!,

I would crush your wart infested feet under the heels of my Daytons.
That is an indirect way to find out if my feet are clean. You could have just asked. They are so clean you can even lick them. Now don't go bragging about that to your other low caste untouchables.
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Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute

Jehovah's Witnesses are strictly forbidden to celebrate birthdays, Christmas and salute the flag, but for many decades were encouraged to engage in these practices. more ...

Da Vinci Code - Freemasonry & Adventist links

Russell was an offshoot of the 1800's Adventist movement, and included many of their teaching, including those with links back to Freemasonry. This includes the use of symbols such as the knights templar. He placed special emphasis on the pyramid of Giza and used it as a basis for his predictions for the world's end in 1914. more ...

Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.

The non existent false trinity god the trinities are misleading 2 billion into serving has been going on for over 1500 years. They outright refuse to listen to J

Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The Son is God (John 1:1, 14; Romans 9:5; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:8; 1 John 5:20). The Holy Spirit is God (Acts 5:3-4; 1 Corinthians 3
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At 5/9/2016 1:21:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute



Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.

The non existent false trinity god the trinities are misleading 2 billion into serving has been going on for over 1500 years. They outright refuse to listen to J

Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The S

Feel free to explain why Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father??? John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28-- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6--- please tell all how God has a God?
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At 5/9/2016 3:31:52 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:21:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute



Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation

One of the clearest indicators that Jehovah does not direct Watchtower doctrine has been the ongoing, contradictory changes to the generation teaching. The idea that some born prior to 1914 would still be alive to see Armageddon was the basis for many Witnesses faith, until the doctrine had to be adjusted in 1995. The 2010 "overlapping" generation can be seen as a desperate attempt to continue misusing this doctrine to ignite urgency in Watchtower followers. more ...

Medical Advice

The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.


Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The S


Feel free to explain why Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father??? John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28-- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6--- please tell all how God has a God?

All you need to know is all three are equally important for your salvation. That is why they are known as the Trinity.
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At 5/9/2016 3:46:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 3:31:52 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:21:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute



Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation



The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.


Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The S


Feel free to explain why Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father??? John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28-- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6--- please tell all how God has a God?

All you need to know is all three are equally important for your salvation. That is why they are known as the Trinity.

Serving a non existent god will get one no where.
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5/9/2016 7:02:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 5:00:15 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 3:46:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 3:31:52 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:21:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Living May Never Die!", declaring that the earthly resurrection was scheduled for 1925. In March, a booklet was produced with the more compelling title "The World Has Ended " Millions Now Living Will Never Die". The failure of this prophecy promoted Rutherford to rewrite the majority of Watchtower date doctrine. more ...

1935 & Increasing Memorial Partakers

For many decades it was taught that selection of the 144,000 was completed in 1935. After this announcement the number of memorial partakers steadily declined. This was presented as proof that the end would be soon. In 2007, an admission appeared that there was no basis for saying the choosing of the Anointed closed in 1935. In the years since 2007 the number of partakers has started to rise again. It is interesting that errors in Watchtower doctrine can dictate whether a follower believes they have been Anointed by Jesus. more ...

1975

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute



Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation



The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.


Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The S


Feel free to explain why Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father??? John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28-- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6--- please tell all how God has a God?

All you need to know is all three are equally important for your salvation. That is why they are known as the Trinity.


Serving a non existent god will get one no where.

That would apply to Jehovah a name not found in the original Hebrew or Greek bibles, a meaningless word in the English language.
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5/9/2016 7:47:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 7:02:45 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 5:00:15 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 3:46:24 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 3:31:52 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:21:53 PM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/9/2016 11:23:54 AM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:33:39 AM, Harikrish wrote:
At 5/8/2016 9:59:47 PM, kjw47 wrote:
At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:
There have been so many doctrinal changes made over the years that being a Jehovah's Witness is less about certainty or consistency and more about adapting to the changes and finding justification for the admitted mistakes made. Now that is possible for members who remain current and attend the required meetings. But what about those ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who have been disfellowshipped and shunned for extended periods of time like over 10 years?

We can put that to a test quite easily by introducing the changes made and then following it with some discussion.

Changed Watchtower Doctrines.

This section helps prove that the concept of getting brighter is not valid. In many cases, Watchtower doctrine has not brightened or been enhanced but changed and then reverted back to the original position; flip-flopped. At other times, Watchtower has introduced doctrine as having come from Jehovah, only to later make a complete reversal to what was said. Following are a number of these doctrine.

Changed Date Doctrine 1800s

This article covers some of the lesser known failed predictions and changed date doctrine of the Watchtower Society. For many decades the Watchtower taught that the last days started in 1799, Jesus' invisible presence commenced in 1874 and the world would end in 1914. This article outlines over 20 dates no longer taught as truth. more ...

1914

One of the most misleading statements in Watchtower publications is that they accurately foretold 1914 to be the "start" of the conclusion of this system of things. In reality, 1914 was predicted to be the "end" of the system of things, the conclusion of Armageddon and the start of the earthly paradise. Here is a comparison of quotes prior to 1914 with how the Watchtower now presents its history. more ...

1925 - "Millions Now Living Will Never Die!"

In 1918, Rutherford announced "The World Has Ended - Millions Now Liv

The Watchtower made the assertion that Adam was created 6000 years prior to 1975 and so this was a likely year for Armageddon. However, most Witnesses deny such false predictions for the end. This article contains a majority of the quotes regarding 1975 so the reader can determine for themselves whether the Watchtower was responsible for excitement that the end would be 1975. more ...

Beth-Sarim

In line with Rutherford's prediction that the earthly resurrection was to begin in 1925 was the purchase of a mansion at Beth-Sarim, for the "ancient worthies" to live in. Whilst waiting for this occurrence, Rutherford conveniently used it as his place of residence for the winter months. more ...

Baptism Questions

There has been an ongoing tightening of the procedure to become a Jehovah's Witness. Most disturbing was the change in 1985, after which a Witness no longer gets baptised in the "name of the ... holy spirit", but rather to God's "spirit directed organization". more ...

Christmas, Birthdays & Flag Salute



Elder arrangement

The changing elders arrangement highlights the way Witnesses are manipulated to fall in line with statements that such changes have come from Jehovah. When these arrangements fail, it shows Jehovah was not involved at all. more ...

Generation



The Watchtower has made numerous erroneous claims about medicine, and flip-flopped on whether a person can use blood and organ transplants. This has led, and continues to result in, avoidable death of unsuspecting followers. more ...

Prophecies - Revelation and Daniel

For anyone that thinks the Governing Body are directed to interpret doctrine, the contradictory adjustments to the understanding of Revelation and Daniel prophecies should be enough to prove otherwise. more ...

Resurrection - for whom

The number of times the Governing Body have changed which groups of people are worthy of a resurrection makes mockery of any claims to what they write as being truth. more ...

Superior Authorities

Yet another flip-flop, this time regarding who the Superior Authorities are. Once again we see the Watchtower embellishing its history when discussing this topic. more ...

Worship Jesus

The most important doctrine a religion can hold to regards the God they promote for worship. It is quite shocking that until the 1950's, Witnesses were told Jesus was a god to worship and pray to, along with Jehovah. This made them polytheistic. In 1953 the worship of Jesus became a disfellowshipping offence. more ...

Zionism

Russell was a Zionist and actively promoted that the return of a Jewish state. Rutherford continued in this line for a period of time, before turning on the Jews and claiming Zionist teachings were from Satan. more ...



Those are quite a list of doctrinal changes to beset an organization that claims to receive its authority directly from Jehovah.


Each member of the Trinity is God. The Father is God (John 6:27; Romans 1:7; 1 Peter 1:2). The S


Feel free to explain why Jesus and his real teachers all teach--Jesus has a God-his Father??? John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- 2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6, 1Cor 15:24-28-- 1Peter 1:3-- Rev 1:6--- please tell all how God has a God?

All you need to know is all three are equally important for your salvation. That is why they are known as the Trinity.


Serving a non existent god will get one no where.

That would apply to Jehovah a

It is really sad that most refuse to believe that God has always made his name known and always will. So did his son--John 17:6=YHWH(Jehovah) and he promised to keep making it known--John 17:26)
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5/9/2016 8:46:43 PM
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At 5/9/2016 1:42:11 AM, Harikrish wrote:

These are not the affairs of men but revelations from Jehovah if you believe the JW. The errors and corrections are alarming unless you are willing to see Jehovah as a bumbling genocidal maniac.
Your lack of knowledge in regard to Jehovah's Witness teaching does not prove a point. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not publishing revelations from Jehovah and they have never claimed to do that. They publish Biblical truths, which makes what they speak of the word of God. They do not publish the opinions of man, they publish what the Bible teaches.

As for fixing the errors. The JW changed their position on 'this generation' six times.

"Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?"

List of changes by year.

Original teaching, Since 1927, Since 1951, Since 1995, Since 2008, Current teaching - since 2010"
Yes, they have changed their understanding of "generation" several times. All of their definitions have been scriptural and lexical. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has never provided a definite date for anything. They never said 1975 was a definite date in which Armageddon would occur, nor did they do that with any other date. Russell did pin 1914 as a definite date, which JWs still believe.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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5/9/2016 9:01:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/9/2016 8:46:43 PM, tstor wrote:
At 5/9/2016 1:42:11 AM, Harikrish wrote:

These are not the affairs of men but revelations from Jehovah if you believe the JW. The errors and corrections are alarming unless you are willing to see Jehovah as a bumbling genocidal maniac.
Your lack of knowledge in regard to Jehovah's Witness teaching does not prove a point. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not publishing revelations from Jehovah and they have never claimed to do that. They publish Biblical truths, which makes what they speak of the word of God. They do not publish the opinions of man, they publish what the Bible teaches.

You should be more honest or admit you are ignorant of the facts instead of arguing from ignorance.

Who Is Responsible For Watchtower Errors?

" When asked what they mean by "inspired", Jehovah"s Witnesses are taught to explain that the Watchtower is written by men who are imperfect and if it were written by God, then it would be inspired just like the Bible. In other words, the Jehovah"s Witnesses claim to not blame Jehovah for all the mistakes, false prophecies and doctrinal errors made by the Watchtower throughout its history. At least that is what the average Jehovah"s Witness will attempt to explain. However upon closer examination, evidence will clearly show that the Watchtower actually made the claim that Jehovah God is responsible for ALL information in the Watchtower.

Who Did The Watchtower Claim Was Responsible?

Let"s look at the historical and documentable facts.

Firstly, in a 1943 court case, then Watchtower Vice-President Frederick Franz was asked the following:

Q: At any rate, Jehovah God is now the editor of the paper [Watchtower magazine], is that right?

Franz: He is today the editor of the paper.

Q: How long has He been editor of the paper?

Franz: Since its inception He has been guiding it.

Later, in the same court case, then Watchtower President Nathan Knorr was asked about the importance of the Watchtower magazine:

Q: In fact, it [Watchtower magazine] is set forth as God"s word, isn"t it?

Knorr: Yes, as His word.

Q: Without any qualification whatsoever?

Knorr: That is right.

These answers were given "under oath", so unless both men committed perjury, it must be assumed that their claims of the Watchtower"s information coming directly from Jehovah God were at least quite sincere.

This is further substantiated by the Watchtower magazine itself. In the May 1, 1938 edition of the Watchtower (pg. 143), it was written

"The interpretation of prophecy, therefore, is not from man, but is from Jehovah; and Jehovah causes events to come to pass in fulfillment of the prophecy in due time."

Since these claims have never been officially rescinded by the "Governing Body" over the subsequent years, then it can only be assumed that they are still in effect.

In addition, the Watchtower made the following claim

"... Jehovah"s Witnesses today make their declaration of the good news of the kingdom under angelic direction and support" (Watchtower, April 1, 1972, pg. 200)

So when did God give the responsibility of editorship to His angels? The Watchtower has never made this clear, but instead have used this as one of their more recent excuses for their errors. Unfortunately it is an erroneous excuse and without merit as I shall later prove.

Also, the Watchtower of July 1st, 1973 (pg. 402), claims,

"Consider too, the fact that Jehovah"s organization alone in all the earth is directed by God"s holy spirit or active force."

It is painfully obviously the Holy Spirit did not prompt their false prophecies, doctrinal errors and other mistakes.

With all of this in mind, it becomes quite clear and unarguable that the Watchtower claims that their information comes directly from Jehovah God without qualification. Therefore, whenever they try to dismiss their errors, mistakes, false prophecies, etc. they are actually blaming Jehovah God for their mistakes."

As for fixing the errors. The JW changed their position on 'this generation' six times.

"Watchtower has promoted six different and contradictory explanations of "this generation." Many Witnesses based crucial life choices on the understanding that Armageddon would arrive before the death of all those born prior to 1914. Can an organization that makes such critical errors rightfully claim they alone are directed by God?"

List of changes by year.

Original teaching, Since 1927, Since 1951, Since 1995, Since 2008, Current teaching - since 2010"
Yes, they have changed their understanding of "generation" several times. All of their definitions have been scriptural and lexical. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has never provided a definite date for anything. They never said 1975 was a definite date in which Armageddon would occur, nor did they do that with any other date. Russell did pin 1914 as a definite date, which JWs still believe.
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5/9/2016 9:38:42 PM
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At 5/8/2016 2:55:40 PM, Harikrish wrote:

As usualk a completely inaccurate summary from you.

Yes doctrine has grown more and more accurate as knowledge and understanding have increased.

It's called learning.

As for zionism, that is not strictly true, though I am not entirely sure how accurate Russell's or Rutherford's understandings were at those early stage.

Christ explain is quite succinctly at Matthew 21:
33 "Hear another illustration: There was a man, a landowner, who planted a vineyard and put a fence around it and dug a winepress in it and erected a tower; then he leased it to cultivators and traveled abroad. 34 When the fruit season came around, he sent his slaves to the cultivators to collect his fruit. 35 However, the cultivators took his slaves, and they beat one up, another they killed, another they stoned. 36 Again he sent other slaves, more than the first group, but they did the same to these. 37 Lastly he sent his son to them, saying, "They will respect my son." 38 On seeing the son, the cultivators said among themselves, "This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and get his inheritance!" 39 So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. 40 Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those cultivators?" 41 They said to him: "Because they are evil, he will bring a terrible destruction on them and will lease the vineyard to other cultivators, who will give him the fruits when they become due."

Thanks to the failure of Israel to remain faithful for any length of time they were abandoned, and only Judah kept reasonably safe to protect the line to the Messiah. Once he arrived Judah was not needed any more.

The New Nation Jesus mentions at the end of that illustration was to be based on the few faithful ones that Jesus could find amongst unfaithful Judah. That was done quite simply so that his father could keep his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Thus the New Nation was built on a foundation of the seed of Abraham to be expanded before long to include Samaritans, the assimilated remnant of the 10 tribes and eventually Gentiles also. (Read Romans 11 onwards)

That is because this New Nation was eventually to be global, and as such the last members of it are currently being gathered in today by Jehovah's Witnesses, all of whom give their primary allegiance to Christ as their King and his God and father as their God wherever they live.

Zion was only a representation of heaven, and true followers of Christ look only to the reality.

Precisely the same applies to the Temple at Jerusalem.

So now Israel, the true Israel, is no longer an earthly nation. The one we see now is a Satanic counterfeit, the true Israel, the "Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16) is very much a spiritual nation, and again is now known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

That is the truth of it, and the proof of it is in any translation of scripture.
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Q. So that the doctrine set forth in the earlier work was erroneous?

A. Yes. I might say, if I can express further --

Q. Well, it was erroneous, was it not?

A. Well, not all of it was erroneous. The Light shines more and more under the perfect day, and as things become clearer it is much easier to understand the Scriptures. It is difficult to understand Scripture until things have transpired to fulfill those Scriptures.

Q. God was writing these books ever since 1918, wasn't he?

A. I wouldn't say God was writing them.


Q. They were written under the influence of God, weren't they?

A. They were written by men in the service of God's Organization, to bring to the attention of the People the truths as expressed in the Bible.

Q. Would you say that God's views have changed between 1918 and 1930?

A. God's views never changed, and their only expression is in the Bible, which is God's word. Man can make a mistake in the interpretation thereof.

Q. So that these leaders of agents of God are not infallible, are they?

A. That is right.

Q. But when you put out these writings in the Watch Tower, you don't make any mention, to those who get the papers, that "We, speaking for God, may make a mistake," do you?

A. When we present the publications of the Society, we present it with the Scriptures, the Scriptures set forth in the Bible. The citations are given in the writing; and our advice to the People is to look up these Scriptures and study them in their own Bibles in their own homes.

Q. But you don't make any mention in the fore part of your Watch Tower that "We are not infallible and subject to correction and may make mistakes"?

A. We have never claimed infallibility.

Q. But you don't make any such statement, that you are subject to correction, in your Watch Tower papers, do you?

A. Not that I recall.


Q. In fact, it is set forth as God's Word, isn't it?

A. Yes, as His word.

Q. Without any qualification whatsoever?

A. That is right.


Q. Do you subscribe to this statement that has been made in court, that Christ suffered for the obedient ones?

A. Yes I do.

Q. Do you recall this part of the Scriptures in Romans, 5, 6, [sic: Romans 5:6] that "* * * in due time Christ died for the ungodly"?

A. Yes.

So, what can we conclude? The reality is that the context, or reality of the situation, destroys your incorrect position. Also, it may be worth noting that Knorr was referring to the Bible in your quoted text (italicized by me), not the Watchtower publications.

This is further substantiated by the Watchtower magazine itself. In the May 1, 1938 edition of the Watchtower (pg. 143), it was written

"The interpretation of prophecy, therefore, is not from man, but is from Jehovah; and Jehovah causes events to come to pass in fulfillment of the prophecy in due time."

Since these claims have never been officially rescinded by the "Governing Body" over the subsequent years, then it can only be assumed that they are still in effect.
They are still in effect, yes. Are you arguing that Christians cannot interpret prophecies that have occurred in the past or are unraveling right now?

In addition, the Watchtower made the following claim

"... Jehovah"s Witnesses today make their declaration of the good news of the kingdom under angelic direction and support" (Watchtower, April 1, 1972, pg. 200)
Read the quote you listed below.

Also, the Watchtower of July 1st, 1973 (pg. 402), claims,

"Consider too, the fact that Jehovah"s organization alone in all the earth is directed by God"s holy spirit or active force."

It is painfully obviously the Holy Spirit did not prompt their false prophecies, doctrinal errors and other mistakes.
This is a belief held by them and still is. However, individuals are also directed by God's holy spirit. That does not mean those people are infallible. Similarly, an organization directed by God's holy spirit is also not going to be infallible.

With all of this in mind, it becomes quite clear and unarguable that the Watchtower claims that their information comes directly from Jehovah God without qualification. Therefore, whenever they try to dismiss their errors, mistakes, false prophecies, etc. they are actually blaming Jehovah God for their mistakes."
With all of this in mind, it becomes quite clear and unarguable that you and many others like you have made erroneous claims out of ignorance and poor research.

NOTE:
Isaiah 54:13:
"And all thy children shall be taught of Jehovah; and great shall be the peace of thy children." (ASV)
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)