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5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/12/2016 12:24:19 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money."
Science in a nutshell:
"Facts are neither true nor false. They simply are."
"All scientific knowledge is provisional. Even facts are provisional."
"We can be absolutely certain that we have a moon, we can be absolutely certain that water is made out of H2O, and we can be absolutely certain that the Earth is a sphere!"
"Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty -- some most unsure, some nearly sure, none absolutely certain."
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5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/12/2016 1:05:08 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 12:24:19 AM, user13579 wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money."

Which was God putting morality into man's system that man created. It's a dishonest asessment. It's like me going into Saudi Arabiaand telling them to treat women better then being accused of supporting the Sharia.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/12/2016 1:08:22 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:05:08 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:24:19 AM, user13579 wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money."

Which was God putting morality into man's system that man created. It's a dishonest asessment. It's like me going into Saudi Arabiaand telling them to treat women better then being accused of supporting the Sharia.

No, your verses are really no different. Your verses amount to "Here's how you should treat your female slaves!" I just gave the OT version.
Science in a nutshell:
"Facts are neither true nor false. They simply are."
"All scientific knowledge is provisional. Even facts are provisional."
"We can be absolutely certain that we have a moon, we can be absolutely certain that water is made out of H2O, and we can be absolutely certain that the Earth is a sphere!"
"Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty -- some most unsure, some nearly sure, none absolutely certain."
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5/12/2016 1:12:59 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world?

There's nothing about honor or respect in those verses, either.

Women are human beings, fyi, so they are treated equally, just like you would treat anyone else.

It's a false and dishonest statement.

The title of the thread, yes, I know.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/12/2016 1:58:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:12:59 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world?

There's nothing about honor or respect in those verses, either.

Women are human beings, fyi, so they are treated equally, just like you would treat anyone else.

It's a false and dishonest statement.

The title of the thread, yes, I know.

Which had no place until? Christ was followed by a religion that defended women. I know it's hard for atheists to believe or understand but history and our current reality was shaped by...religion. The Middle East had no Christian influence. Guess what...women there have no rights, no voice, no worth. The nacissistic denial and lying of atheism knows no bounds. Nothing is sacred. Just the pitiless indifference of atheists who subconsciously decide they are nothing but purposeless animals.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 11:14:05 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:58:41 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
subconsciously decide

And this is why Freudian psychoanalysis is pseudoscience. If somebody agrees with you it's because it's "conscious", and if somebody doesn't agree with you it's because it's "subconscious"!
Science in a nutshell:
"Facts are neither true nor false. They simply are."
"All scientific knowledge is provisional. Even facts are provisional."
"We can be absolutely certain that we have a moon, we can be absolutely certain that water is made out of H2O, and we can be absolutely certain that the Earth is a sphere!"
"Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty -- some most unsure, some nearly sure, none absolutely certain."
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5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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5/12/2016 12:45:18 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:58:41 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:12:59 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world?

There's nothing about honor or respect in those verses, either.

Women are human beings, fyi, so they are treated equally, just like you would treat anyone else.

It's a false and dishonest statement.

The title of the thread, yes, I know.

Which had no place until? Christ was followed by a religion that defended women. I know it's hard for atheists to believe or understand but history and our current reality was shaped by...religion.

Is that why we hear you religionists constantly complain about the state of the world?

The Middle East had no Christian influence.

Even though that's pretty much where it all began?

Guess what...women there have no rights, no voice, no worth.

That's what Christianity offers.

The nacissistic denial and lying of atheism knows no bounds. Nothing is sacred. Just the pitiless indifference of atheists who subconsciously decide they are nothing but purposeless animals.

Sorry, that you don't understand the worlds around you, that was your choice.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
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5/12/2016 1:13:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

Do you mean the rights females have?
Or the ones they would like to have?

Seriously though:

Jesus certainly treated woman as equals within the framework of his father's purpose .

Who was the first person he came straight out and told his purpose on the earth to?

A woman, and not just any woman a hated (by the Jews) Samaritan woman.

Despite the fact that the male disciples all rushed to Jesus tomb when they hear his body had gone, who did Jesus reveal himself to?

Not them.

He waited for them to go and then appeared to Mary, sending her to pass the message on to the rest.

No, Jesus knew exactly the role his father had created Eve to fulfil, but within that role he treated wan with as much respect as men, and far, far more than the Pharisees who taught that women were lower in rank than slaves or animals.
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5/12/2016 1:22:23 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:13:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Jesus certainly treated woman as equals within the framework of his father's purpose .
Well at least he let his pals pay for his prostitute.
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5/12/2016 2:02:47 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

All verses up there r not the "sayings" of Jesus, u have it in the Gospels.


"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

50% ppl in the west r divorced bcz they know the right "u cant divorce" is stupid nobody really believes it its all talk...


"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

this verse is a fabrication its thrown out from the latest verions of the bible as a fabrication. even u dont know your own religion and u think u r a expert on Islam u baboon.


-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

Christianity =/= Jesus in the Gospels. want to know how beautiful r your women rights?

"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 2:11-14)

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God." (I Corinthians 11:3)

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man." (I Corinthians 11:8-9)

"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body. Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything." (Ephesians 5:22-24)

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 14:34-35)

if u want more verses say it dont be shy my son...
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5/12/2016 4:06:03 PM
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At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

Stop trying to distort Christianity with your misrepresentations. God wants the man to be the head of the woman. And, so, that's what those who belong to God practice.
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5/12/2016 4:20:33 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:06:03 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

Stop trying to distort Christianity with your misrepresentations. God wants the man to be the head of the woman. And, so, that's what those who belong to God practice.

But do you know what that really means?

It doesn't mean domination, it means responsibility.

The man is responsible for making sure that the woman has all the information she needs to make right decisions.

It also means that in all decisions the needs, requirements, and desires of the woman must be taken into account.

It also means that the man takes charge only if there is no possible agreement, but that he also takes full responsibility for the outcome. There must be no recriminations afterwards from either party.

Headship only really becomes a problem when it is operated too rigidly and when, like Adam, the head of the household hasn't done his job properly.

Which of course is why Adam is held responsible for what went wrong in the Garden.
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5/12/2016 4:21:09 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 1:22:23 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:13:51 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
Jesus certainly treated woman as equals within the framework of his father's purpose .
Well at least he let his pals pay for his prostitute.

Sick minded as ever I see.
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5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.
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5/12/2016 4:29:51 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

Responsibility for what?
You pissant.
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5/12/2016 6:47:17 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:29:51 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

Responsibility for what?
You pissant.

The final responsibility for all decisions in the family, and for the education of that family.
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5/12/2016 6:49:10 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

According to what, exactly? The notion of "head of household" explicitly falls to the man in the Bible.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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5/12/2016 10:02:46 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 6:49:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

According to what, exactly? The notion of "head of household" explicitly falls to the man in the Bible.

Not being Head of household comes with benefits. No getting drafted.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/12/2016 10:03:50 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 6:49:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

According to what, exactly? The notion of "head of household" explicitly falls to the man in the Bible.

So should 18 year old girls be eligable for the draft? Or are we not that "equal"?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 11:30:56 PM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

Did Jesus allow women to divorce? The ancient Egyptian society allowed them to, out of own reasons.
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5/13/2016 1:32:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 11:30:56 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

Did Jesus allow women to divorce? The ancient Egyptian society allowed them to, out of own reasons.

Jesus never mentioned women's basis of divorcing their husband because women had no right to divorce their husband. They still don't under Jewish law. When he said only adultery he:

1)Was talking to men.

2)Protecting women
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/13/2016 1:34:36 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
Jewish marriage

http://www.jewfaq.org...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/13/2016 4:08:41 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 6:47:17 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:29:51 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

Responsibility for what?
You pissant.

The final responsibility for all decisions in the family, and for the education of that family.

Divorced 4 times, easy to see why.
You're a pissant.
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5/13/2016 4:10:37 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/12/2016 10:03:50 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 6:49:10 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:22:26 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:34:03 AM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 1:02:52 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 12:03:30 AM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

According to what, exactly? The notion of "head of household" explicitly falls to the man in the Bible.

So should 18 year old girls be eligable for the draft? Or are we not that "equal"?
No-one should be eligible for the draft except the religious fckheads like you who want war.
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5/13/2016 9:55:47 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
At 5/13/2016 1:32:46 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:30:56 PM, Jovian wrote:
At 5/11/2016 10:17:24 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

Did Jesus allow women to divorce? The ancient Egyptian society allowed them to, out of own reasons.

Jesus never mentioned women's basis of divorcing their husband because women had no right to divorce their husband. They still don't under Jewish law. When he said only adultery he:

1)Was talking to men.

2)Protecting women

The personality and character of Jesus denies that completely.

Every law applies to both genders equally. Jesus did not put women down as you do.
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5/13/2016 10:59:46 AM
Posted: 7 months ago
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her."
(Ephesians 5:25)

(Ephesians 5:28)
"In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself."

(Colossians 3:19)
"Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them."

(1 Peter 3:7)
"Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as a delicate vessel, and with honor as fellow heirs of the gracious gift of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered."

"I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery."
(Matthew 19:9)

"When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
(John 8:7)

-And that was written in a time when women had no sense of individuality or rights. Christianity was what gave foundation to women having "God given rights" and worth.

There's nothing about rights in those verses. Nada.

Really? What would you call commands by God to treat your wife with honor and respect in a man's world? It's a false and dishonest statement.

I treat my cat with honor and respect. I do not view it as an equal.

However your wife should be your equal in all bar responsibility.

According to what, exactly? The notion of "head of household" explicitly falls to the man in the Bible.

So should 18 year old girls be eligable for the draft? Or are we not that "equal"?

I generally don't support drafting candidates for war that are several grades inferior, females included. Should said drafting include provisions to better suit their frame some where in the armed forces, great, but insertion into forward combat roles is counter productive to a war effort from a draft purpose.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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