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brontoraptor
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5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM
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What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 4:57:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

MAD magazine ran a better article.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/12/2016 5:11:08 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

It is estimated that 77.6% of all the rapes in Sweden are committed by Muslim immigrants. It is estimated that foreign born individuals are 5.5 times more likely to rape.

Most rapists in Sweden are theists, NOT atheists.

Source - http://www.jewishpress.com...

You need to dig a little further before making assertions to fit your biases.
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5/12/2016 5:28:01 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

I wonder why Sweden is the 10th most happy country on earth?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/12/2016 5:28:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Also, if I told you that a country that is 96% Christian has an epidemic of rape far beyond what Sweden has, what would you make of that data?

The country I'm referencing is Haiti but I could give plenty of other examples. There are Christian countries in Africa that also have rape epidemics.
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5/12/2016 6:10:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Secular society imports conservative theists...

secular society's women get raped more frequently.

What have we learned?
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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5/12/2016 6:23:15 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 6:10:12 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Secular society imports conservative theists...

secular society's women get raped more frequently.

What have we learned?

Secular men don't protect their women. Christian men would have baracaded the borders to keep their loved ones safe.(and sacrificed being called bigots)
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 6:28:54 PM
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Guess which side wants as many Muslims in the U.S. as possible. Not the evangelicals. They are trying to guard the fort while atheists try to give it away to the trojan horse.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 6:37:45 PM
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At 5/12/2016 6:28:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Guess which side wants as many Muslims in the U.S. as possible. Not the evangelicals. They are trying to guard the fort while atheists try to give it away to the trojan horse.

That's not true. Your anti-Christs, Bill Maher and Sam Harris, are very vocal about how Islam is the most dangerous and violent religion. This is not an atheist issue because many atheists don't agree. Most atheists are empiricists and the numbers speak for themselves.
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5/12/2016 6:45:05 PM
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At 5/12/2016 6:28:54 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
Guess which side wants as many Muslims in the U.S. as possible. Not the evangelicals. They are trying to guard the fort while atheists try to give it away to the trojan horse.

.... what sense does that make? 'atheists' accepting any other culture based on their professed faith is an incoherent concept.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
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5/12/2016 6:46:47 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 6:23:15 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 6:10:12 PM, FaustianJustice wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Secular society imports conservative theists...

secular society's women get raped more frequently.

What have we learned?

Secular men don't protect their women. Christian men would have baracaded the borders to keep their loved ones safe.(and sacrificed being called bigots)

They don't? Considering the amount of domestic violence perpetrated by men in the US, I am not confident you have that correct. What you think Christian men do, they don't. Care to hazard a guess as to the number one reason women are assaulted in the work place? Pro tip: its their own man.
Here we have an advocate for Islamic arranged marriages demonstrating that children can consent to sex.
http://www.debate.org...
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5/12/2016 7:16:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

What a secular state gets women. Equal pay. Equal property rights. Maternity benefits. Equal pension benefits. The right to drive cars. Equal education opportunities. Etc Etc
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5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.
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5/12/2016 9:57:22 PM
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At 5/12/2016 7:16:31 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

What a secular state gets women. Equal pay. Equal property rights. Maternity benefits. Equal pension benefits. The right to drive cars. Equal education opportunities. Etc Etc

Put in the draft...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM
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At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 10:17:43 PM
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Hitler loved Muhammedism. The sensual girls of paradise, the 7th heaven, the "earthly paradise", reward to the "bold warrior"...antisemetism...Europe has made the Fuhrer proud. Hitler actually predicted this. He said espionage and unconventional warfare would downfall Europe. Of course, he was familisr with the Quran and the Grand Mufti.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?
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5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
Chloe8
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5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.
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5/12/2016 11:28:51 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.

Here's where my Christianized view is good IMO. I'll never support a female draft. Why?

18 year old girls being forced into war is insane and wrong.

I know that most serious conflict happens in the Middle East. I know they would be in danger of becoming sex slaves, almost certainly would be raped if captured, and be sold into bondage. That doesn't work for me as a man. I also know that homosexuality is one of the worst of sodomy sin in Islam, so there is about a 0% chance of a male soldier getting any rape type activity administered on him. I think subtle "gender roles" are neccessary but not to give the man some kind of drunken power. It's just to make sure men be men. God expects us to protect and cherish our wives. I see her as my equal and she sees me as a man and expects me to lead. This is her choice as a Christian and as a female. I never speak harshly to her. I see it as her in the center and my job to circle around makingsure her needs are taken care of. We are mutual in the relationship. She doesn't want me to dominate her, but she does expect me to lead.

EExamples:

When we are at a restaurant and the waitor forgets something of hers, she tells me. She's not comfortable saying something, so I do it to make sure she gets what she needs. When making vacation plans we discuss what we want and I get it taken care of. I do it. Why? She expects that from me. She always supports me and tries to serve me even though I expect none of it. She does those things and carried our daughter for 9 months, something I could not do. We are very close and very loving to one another. I treat her as I expect Christ to treat me, thus a longstanding relationship has ensued beautifully.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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5/12/2016 11:52:24 PM
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At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

1860: Citizens permitted to leave the Church of Sweden under the Dissenter's Law
1861: First public institution of higher academic learning for women opened
1864: Unmarried women granted the same trade and commercial rights as men
1864: Husbands forbidden to abuse their wives.
1870: Universities open to women
1872: Women granted the right to marry without family permission, arranged marriages banned
1874: Women granted control over their own income
1920: Legal majority for married women and equal marriage rights
1923: Law of Access grants women the right to all professions and positions in society except priests and some military positions
1938: Contraception legalised
1939: Ban on firing women for marrying or having children
1947: Equal salary for both sexes
1951: Freedom of Religion law established, including right to profess irreligion
1958: Women allowed to become priests

[https://en.wikipedia.org...][https://en.wikipedia.org...]
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5/13/2016 12:02:42 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 11:28:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.

Here's where my Christianized view is good IMO. I'll never support a female draft. Why?

18 year old girls being forced into war is insane and wrong.

It's not nice but is it nice to force 18 year old boys to go to war? No it's horrible.

I know that most serious conflict happens in the Middle East. I know they would be in danger of becoming sex slaves, almost certainly would be raped if captured, and be sold into bondage. That doesn't work for me as a man. I also know that homosexuality is one of the worst of sodomy sin in Islam, so there is about a 0% chance of a male soldier getting any rape type activity administered on him. I think subtle "gender roles" are neccessary but not to give the man some kind of drunken power. It's just to make sure men be men. God expects us to protect and cherish our wives. I see her as my equal and she sees me as a man and expects me to lead. This is her choice as a Christian and as a female. I never speak harshly to her. I see it as her in the center and my job to circle around makingsure her needs are taken care of. We are mutual in the relationship. She doesn't want me to dominate her, but she does expect me to lead.

I agree that Islamist fighters would abuse female captives. I'm not proposing a minor skirmish here though I'm proposing a situation where the future of my country is at stake, a ww2 type scenario. When faced with nazism or similar evil you do everything possible to stop it.

EExamples:

When we are at a restaurant and the waitor forgets something of hers, she tells me. She's not comfortable saying something, so I do it to make sure she gets what she needs. When making vacation plans we discuss what we want and I get it taken care of. I do it. Why? She expects that from me. She always supports me and tries to serve me even though I expect none of it. She does those things and carried our daughter for 9 months, something I could not do. We are very close and very loving to one another. I treat her as I expect Christ to treat me, thus a longstanding relationship has ensued beautifully.

That's absolutely fine. Everyone is free to choose the type of relationship they desire. It's wrong though for you to think that non religious people can't enjoy happy relationships.
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5/13/2016 1:39:38 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/13/2016 12:02:42 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:28:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.

Here's where my Christianized view is good IMO. I'll never support a female draft. Why?

18 year old girls being forced into war is insane and wrong.

It's not nice but is it nice to force 18 year old boys to go to war? No it's horrible.

I know that most serious conflict happens in the Middle East. I know they would be in danger of becoming sex slaves, almost certainly would be raped if captured, and be sold into bondage. That doesn't work for me as a man. I also know that homosexuality is one of the worst of sodomy sin in Islam, so there is about a 0% chance of a male soldier getting any rape type activity administered on him. I think subtle "gender roles" are neccessary but not to give the man some kind of drunken power. It's just to make sure men be men. God expects us to protect and cherish our wives. I see her as my equal and she sees me as a man and expects me to lead. This is her choice as a Christian and as a female. I never speak harshly to her. I see it as her in the center and my job to circle around makingsure her needs are taken care of. We are mutual in the relationship. She doesn't want me to dominate her, but she does expect me to lead.

I agree that Islamist fighters would abuse female captives. I'm not proposing a minor skirmish here though I'm proposing a situation where the future of my country is at stake, a ww2 type scenario. When faced with nazism or similar evil you do everything possible to stop it.

EExamples:

When we are at a restaurant and the waitor forgets something of hers, she tells me. She's not comfortable saying something, so I do it to make sure she gets what she needs. When making vacation plans we discuss what we want and I get it taken care of. I do it. Why? She expects that from me. She always supports me and tries to serve me even though I expect none of it. She does those things and carried our daughter for 9 months, something I could not do. We are very close and very loving to one another. I treat her as I expect Christ to treat me, thus a longstanding relationship has ensued beautifully.

That's absolutely fine. Everyone is free to choose the type of relationship they desire. It's wrong though for you to think that non religious people can't enjoy happy relationships.

I have concerns for womens rights. It took thousands of years and battles to get to where we are today. It can be lost in a heartbeat. I know personally the reasoning for Christian men to have religious reasons to protect the rights of the females in their lives. I'm not certain what an Atheist male's reasoning is to take a hard stand for female rights if it ever comes into serious question, seeing they could take on a survival of the fittest, or "we are animals" viewpoint mixed with no devine command to feel obligated to.
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5/13/2016 2:02:01 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Yes the completely unbiased FrontPageMag, brilliant source for a balanced opinion.
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5/13/2016 2:10:44 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/13/2016 2:02:01 AM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Yes the completely unbiased FrontPageMag, brilliant source for a balanced opinion.

Here ya go
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5/13/2016 6:06:59 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/13/2016 1:39:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/13/2016 12:02:42 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:28:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.

Here's where my Christianized view is good IMO. I'll never support a female draft. Why?

18 year old girls being forced into war is insane and wrong.

It's not nice but is it nice to force 18 year old boys to go to war? No it's horrible.

I know that most serious conflict happens in the Middle East. I know they would be in danger of becoming sex slaves, almost certainly would be raped if captured, and be sold into bondage. That doesn't work for me as a man. I also know that homosexuality is one of the worst of sodomy sin in Islam, so there is about a 0% chance of a male soldier getting any rape type activity administered on him. I think subtle "gender roles" are neccessary but not to give the man some kind of drunken power. It's just to make sure men be men. God expects us to protect and cherish our wives. I see her as my equal and she sees me as a man and expects me to lead. This is her choice as a Christian and as a female. I never speak harshly to her. I see it as her in the center and my job to circle around makingsure her needs are taken care of. We are mutual in the relationship. She doesn't want me to dominate her, but she does expect me to lead.

I agree that Islamist fighters would abuse female captives. I'm not proposing a minor skirmish here though I'm proposing a situation where the future of my country is at stake, a ww2 type scenario. When faced with nazism or similar evil you do everything possible to stop it.

EExamples:

When we are at a restaurant and the waitor forgets something of hers, she tells me. She's not comfortable saying something, so I do it to make sure she gets what she needs. When making vacation plans we discuss what we want and I get it taken care of. I do it. Why? She expects that from me. She always supports me and tries to serve me even though I expect none of it. She does those things and carried our daughter for 9 months, something I could not do. We are very close and very loving to one another. I treat her as I expect Christ to treat me, thus a longstanding relationship has ensued beautifully.

That's absolutely fine. Everyone is free to choose the type of relationship they desire. It's wrong though for you to think that non religious people can't enjoy happy relationships.

I have concerns for womens rights. It took thousands of years and battles to get to where we are today. It can be lost in a heartbeat. I know personally the reasoning for Christian men to have religious reasons to protect the rights of the females in their lives. I'm not certain what an Atheist male's reasoning is to take a hard stand for female rights if it ever comes into serious question, seeing they could take on a survival of the fittest, or "we are animals" viewpoint mixed with no devine command to feel obligated to.

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5/13/2016 6:08:13 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...
Sweden is the 10th happiest country in the world it sh*ts all over the spew ess of ay.
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5/13/2016 6:20:37 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/13/2016 1:39:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
I'm not certain what an Atheist male's reasoning is to take a hard stand for female rights
Absent cowering religious subservience, Bronto, and the subjugation of compassion to ignorant, cruel and outdated ancient laws, the irreligious can develop a quirk of sensibility somewhat lost on those who think all morality comes by imperious decree.

Respect.

Human respect.

Just saying.
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5/13/2016 8:27:40 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/13/2016 1:39:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/13/2016 12:02:42 AM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:28:51 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 11:09:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:36:48 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:34:03 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 10:13:33 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/12/2016 9:39:25 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/12/2016 4:46:53 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
What a secular state gets women:

-"Just 18% of Swedish citizens responded that "they believe there is a god."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

-"Statistics now suggest that 1 out of every 4 Swedish women will be raped."

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

Bronto you have mistakenly linked secularism to an irresponsible open border policy adopted by a particular country. There is no need for a secular country to let in hundreds of thousands of immigrants each year. This is a case of idiotic immigration policy not any sort of problem with secularism.

In my ideal society immigration would be limited to just those with specific skills and qualifications that benefit my country. I would not let any people into the country that have a negative overall effect such as unskilled, uneducated Muslim asylum seekers from Syria.

The U.S. has more Christians than any other nation. We are not taking in over a million unvetted and unknown Islamists. Look at Poland, almost completely Christian. And they are safer and taking a stand. The Liberal mindset tends to thrive from atheism. And Sweden, Germany, etcgot a wake up call. Or did they?

How come the usa does not come 1st in gender equality rankings? It's actually behind Sweden!

http://www.feministezine.com...

How about Zimbabwe and south Africa?

What do you mean by equality? Women not being eligable for the draft?

equality is the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities. I don't think anyone should be forced to join the military. It's up to the individual. Drafts though are necessary in extreme cases though unfortunately. I would allow men and women to be drafted and assign roles based on ability. Gender should be irrelevant. Capability is the key.

Here's where my Christianized view is good IMO. I'll never support a female draft. Why?

18 year old girls being forced into war is insane and wrong.

It's not nice but is it nice to force 18 year old boys to go to war? No it's horrible.

I know that most serious conflict happens in the Middle East. I know they would be in danger of becoming sex slaves, almost certainly would be raped if captured, and be sold into bondage. That doesn't work for me as a man. I also know that homosexuality is one of the worst of sodomy sin in Islam, so there is about a 0% chance of a male soldier getting any rape type activity administered on him. I think subtle "gender roles" are neccessary but not to give the man some kind of drunken power. It's just to make sure men be men. God expects us to protect and cherish our wives. I see her as my equal and she sees me as a man and expects me to lead. This is her choice as a Christian and as a female. I never speak harshly to her. I see it as her in the center and my job to circle around makingsure her needs are taken care of. We are mutual in the relationship. She doesn't want me to dominate her, but she does expect me to lead.

I agree that Islamist fighters would abuse female captives. I'm not proposing a minor skirmish here though I'm proposing a situation where the future of my country is at stake, a ww2 type scenario. When faced with nazism or similar evil you do everything possible to stop it.

EExamples:

When we are at a restaurant and the waitor forgets something of hers, she tells me. She's not comfortable saying something, so I do it to make sure she gets what she needs. When making vacation plans we discuss what we want and I get it taken care of. I do it. Why? She expects that from me. She always supports me and tries to serve me even though I expect none of it. She does those things and carried our daughter for 9 months, something I could not do. We are very close and very loving to one another. I treat her as I expect Christ to treat me, thus a longstanding relationship has ensued beautifully.

That's absolutely fine. Everyone is free to choose the type of relationship they desire. It's wrong though for you to think that non religious people can't enjoy happy relationships.

I have concerns for womens rights. It took thousands of years and battles to get to where we are today. It can be lost in a heartbeat. I know personally the reasoning for Christian men to have religious reasons to protect the rights of the females in their lives. I'm not certain what an Atheist male's reasoning is to take a hard stand for female rights if it ever comes into serious question, seeing they could take on a survival of the fittest, or "we are animals" viewpoint mixed with no devine command to feel obligated to.

I've yet to meet a male atheist in real life who holds sexist views. I've met plenty of sexist Christians, even female Christians who believe themselves inferior to men.

Corinthians 11:3

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I Corinthians 11:8-9

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

I Corinthians 14:34-35:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Christianity teaches men are superior to women. It's blatantly sexist. For example it does not even allow women to be priests. As an atheist is not blinded by religious belief they have no reason to hold sexist views. An atheist has no reason to discriminate on the grounds of someone's gender. A Christian meanwhile works from a book that claims men are superior and women are inferior. Considering the bible was entirely made by men it's sexism is hardly surprising. Those views were typical of men of their time.