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SuperRobotWars
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12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.
Why kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?
SuperRobotWars
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12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
Koopin
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12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.
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SuperRobotWars
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12/7/2010 5:59:20 PM
Posted: 6 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

My God is a all powerful paradox . . . *evil laughter*
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.
tigg13
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12/21/2010 1:14:33 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

Evil would not exist if there were no free will, so in giving us free will He opened the door to all of the evil that free will has caused. Plus, being all knowing means He knew that free will would lead to evil before he gave it too us. So, either God is incompetent or He is willing to allow evil to exist - either way, He is ultimately responsible for it.
SuperRobotWars
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12/21/2010 3:28:51 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
tkubok
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12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.
SuperRobotWars
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12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
tkubok
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12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.
SuperRobotWars
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12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
tkubok
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12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.
SuperRobotWars
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12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
tkubok
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12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.
SuperRobotWars
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12/21/2010 4:54:43 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.

It does reply to his point and his point coincides with my point, God has the capacity to do both good and evil it is all a matter of Gods choice to do since a paradoxical supreme being . . .
Minister Of Trolling
: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/21/2010 4:58:27 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:54:43 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.

It does reply to his point and his point coincides with my point, God has the capacity to do both good and evil it is all a matter of Gods choice to do since a paradoxical supreme being . . .

The problem is that Damodar specifically tried to explain how God is good but evil still came into place. Simply pointing out that God has the capacity to do both good and evil, first off, you need to show that God has the capacity to do both, and secondly, you didnt, so it isnt a response to Damodars post.
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12/21/2010 5:03:59 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 4:58:27 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:54:43 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.

It does reply to his point and his point coincides with my point, God has the capacity to do both good and evil it is all a matter of Gods choice to do since a paradoxical supreme being . . .

The problem is that Damodar specifically tried to explain how God is good but evil still came into place. Simply pointing out that God has the capacity to do both good and evil, first off, you need to show that God has the capacity to do both, and secondly, you didnt, so it isnt a response to Damodars post.

I did I showed that God has the capacity to do both for in order for it to be God it must . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/21/2010 5:40:13 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 5:03:59 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:58:27 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:54:43 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.

It does reply to his point and his point coincides with my point, God has the capacity to do both good and evil it is all a matter of Gods choice to do since a paradoxical supreme being . . .

The problem is that Damodar specifically tried to explain how God is good but evil still came into place. Simply pointing out that God has the capacity to do both good and evil, first off, you need to show that God has the capacity to do both, and secondly, you didnt, so it isnt a response to Damodars post.

I did I showed that God has the capacity to do both for in order for it to be God it must . . .

No no, damodars post was an explanation as to how God SEEMS as though he has the capacity for both, but in reality, he does not. And to answer that, the BEST way is to provide a direct contradiction in regards to his belief that clearly show he is wrong.
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12/21/2010 8:15:54 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 5:40:13 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 5:03:59 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:58:27 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:54:43 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:40:00 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:32:37 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:27:53 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:22:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:17:20 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 4:00:03 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

Or he is simply a paradox . . .

You cannot simply say "He is a paradox" without explaining what the paradox is.

I already did . . .

Not in regards to what Damodar said. Damodar was basically trying to explain how it isnt a paradox. So someone had to explain to Damodar, that he is wrong.

A true God must encompass all things hence being a paradox
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...

Paradoxes can exist hence so can God . . .

Still, that alone is not a reply to Damodar's post.

It does reply to his point and his point coincides with my point, God has the capacity to do both good and evil it is all a matter of Gods choice to do since a paradoxical supreme being . . .

The problem is that Damodar specifically tried to explain how God is good but evil still came into place. Simply pointing out that God has the capacity to do both good and evil, first off, you need to show that God has the capacity to do both, and secondly, you didnt, so it isnt a response to Damodars post.

I did I showed that God has the capacity to do both for in order for it to be God it must . . .

No no, damodars post was an explanation as to how God SEEMS as though he has the capacity for both, but in reality, he does not. And to answer that, the BEST way is to provide a direct contradiction in regards to his belief that clearly show he is wrong.

The argument allows for a paradoxical God . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/25/2010 2:14:49 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 1:14:33 PM, tigg13 wrote:
At 12/21/2010 9:40:16 AM, Damodar wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:48:40 PM, Koopin wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:46:27 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:41:20 PM, alex_hanson911 wrote:
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Explain.

A God cannot be all powerful if it is only good it must also encompass evil as well its like the stone argument an all powerful God can yet at the same time cannot make that rock . . . (except if you are polytheistic . . .)

This is probably the 1759th time this argument has been used on here. Please get a new one.

God Himself is all good, but He creates all beings with free-will, and if they misuse that then they create evil activities.

Evil would not exist if there were no free will, so in giving us free will He opened the door to all of the evil that free will has caused. Plus, being all knowing means He knew that free will would lead to evil before he gave it too us. So, either God is incompetent or He is willing to allow evil to exist - either way, He is ultimately responsible for it.

God knew that free-will would allow us to do evil acts just like a man knows that if he has children, they may become criminals. Therefore God or the father advises his sons not to do evil. But if God or a father advises his children not to sin, yet they misuse their free-will to sin anyway, then the cause of the son's decision is ignorance.

Kubok wrote,"If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings."

The infallible God is perfect and originally created all living beings as eternal spiritual beings. But because sometimes they wanted sin, which means to ignore God, they left their original position and accepted imperfect material bodies to satisfy their desires. In other words, we are not this imperfect material body, we are eternal spirit soul. Therefore our imperfection is only superficial and temporary if we remember God.
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12/25/2010 6:48:19 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

God has free will, but it is in his omnibenevolent nature to choose good every single time. The reason why we have free will, yet choose to sin is because we weren't created omnibenevolent. And God couldn't mold our nature to be the same, otherwise he would be creating drones.
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12/25/2010 7:12:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
@SuperRobotWars:

1) Learn to cut posts.
2) Try to actually *make* arguments, not talk about them.
3) It's "...", not ". . .".
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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12/25/2010 8:53:22 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/25/2010 7:12:50 PM, m93samman wrote:
@SuperRobotWars:

1) Learn to cut posts.
2) Try to actually *make* arguments, not talk about them.
3) It's "...", not ". . .".

*yawn* . . . you have to talk to argue . . . so for now enjoy the following . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/25/2010 9:14:50 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/25/2010 8:53:22 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/25/2010 7:12:50 PM, m93samman wrote:
@SuperRobotWars:

1) Learn to cut posts.
2) Try to actually *make* arguments, not talk about them.
3) It's "...", not ". . .".

*yawn* . . . you have to talk to argue . . . so for now enjoy the following . . .

what?
: At 4/15/2011 5:29:37 PM, CosmicAlfonzo wrote:
: Pascal's wager is for poosies.
:
: I mean that sincerly, because it's basically an argument from poooosie.
:
: I'm pretty sure that's like a fallacy.. Argument ad Pussium or something like that.
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12/25/2010 9:34:35 PM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/25/2010 9:14:50 PM, m93samman wrote:
At 12/25/2010 8:53:22 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
At 12/25/2010 7:12:50 PM, m93samman wrote:
@SuperRobotWars:

1) Learn to cut posts.
2) Try to actually *make* arguments, not talk about them.
3) It's "...", not ". . .".

*yawn* . . . you have to talk to argue . . . so for now enjoy the following . . .

what?

. . . the video is talking about the confusing aspects of the Holy Trinity, and the God and Jesus confusion, I wanted to find the one on the beginning of time but I could not remember the episode name . . .
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: At 12/6/2011 2:21:41 PM, badger wrote:
: ugly people should beat beautiful people ugly. simple! you'd be killing two birds with the one stone... women like violent men and you're making yourself more attractive, relatively. i met a blonde dude who was prettier than me not so long ago. he's not so pretty now! ha!
:
: ...and well, he wasn't really prettier than me. he just had nice hair.
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12/26/2010 12:52:20 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/7/2010 5:33:28 PM, SuperRobotWars wrote:
A true God must be a paradox for that is the only way for the God to be logical . . . (my God is a paradox . . .)

Or, God can simply not be bound by the way we perceive the natural universe.
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12/26/2010 8:50:40 AM
Posted: 5 years ago
At 12/25/2010 6:48:19 PM, GeoLaureate8 wrote:
At 12/21/2010 3:48:40 PM, tkubok wrote:
If God is perfect, then perfection begets perfection, and we should be perfect. But we are not. God clearly has free will, yet chooses not to sin. We have free will, yet choose to sin. Therefore, Either god chooses to sin as well, and therefore we are created by God, or God is imperfect and created imperfect beings.

God has free will, but it is in his omnibenevolent nature to choose good every single time. The reason why we have free will, yet choose to sin is because we weren't created omnibenevolent. And God couldn't mold our nature to be the same, otherwise he would be creating drones.

You're very intelligent! The reason why we have free-will is so our love may have value to God. Otherwise we're simply drones.

Every living being is part and parcel of God, just like a spark is part of a fire. Whatever qualities are in the fire are also in the spark. Therefore if God is perfect then all beings are also constitutionally so. The reason why we misuse our free-will is ignorance.

For God there is no duality because there is no force controlling Him. His will is itself actual fact so there is no duality of pleasure/pain, heat/cold, good/evil and son on.