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bulproof
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5/14/2016 9:16:47 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Oh look another failure by the hoovian god, I think it's time they made themselves a golden calf, it never made false predictions.

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
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5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!
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5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.
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5/14/2016 10:25:02 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Certainly right up there, but the 70's had so many.
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5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.
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5/14/2016 10:39:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM, Danb6177 wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.

Tonight, my 21 year old daughter is insisting we must watch the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a hell that is what it must be like.
bulproof
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5/14/2016 11:06:51 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:39:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM, Danb6177 wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.

Tonight, my 21 year old daughter is insisting we must watch the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a hell that is what it must be like.

You should have kicked her out of home by now. Go Julia and Sam. They reckon the Aussie might win. WTF?
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5/14/2016 11:48:49 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 11:06:51 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:39:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM, Danb6177 wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.

Tonight, my 21 year old daughter is insisting we must watch the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a hell that is what it must be like.

You should have kicked her out of home by now. Go Julia and Sam. They reckon the Aussie might win. WTF?

Next you will be joining the EEU
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5/14/2016 2:38:36 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 9:16:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
Oh look another failure by the hoovian god, I think it's time they made themselves a golden calf, it never made false predictions.

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
I would like to start by saying 1975 was not a definite date. The Watchtower never taught hat 1975 would definitely be when Armageddon would occur. Consider the following quotes from their publications, all published prior to 1975:

"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. [...] Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?. [...] It very well could be, but we will have to wait and see." (05/01/67 Watchtower)

"... don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." (10/15/66 Watchtower)

"The publications of Jehovah's Witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man's existence will be completed in the mid-1970's. But these publications have never said that the world's end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation 'Why We Have Not Been Told 'That Day and Hour' was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end." (10/15/74 Watchtower)

These quotes found below are not from pre-1975 publications, so keep that in mind:

"In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah's Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel (of Frederick Franz). However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (see quote below). But Jehovah's Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah's will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation." (Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg. 104)

"There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year (1975) was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." (03/15/80 Watchtower)

In regard to the 1966 publication you quoted, I found a photocopy of it. It can be accessed here:
http://liberalgeek.com...

It turns out that the quote you used is only partially accurate. Your quote cuts out a portion of the text between "1975" and the next sentence. More than likely this is because you would not want people to examine the context. Your quote implies that the Watchtower was teaching 1975 as the definite date for Armaggedon. Consider, however, the context:

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact that the 'last days' began in 1914, and that the physical fads of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the 'time of the end.'"

So 1975 was being speculated, but 1914 was the confirmed and definite date. The last sentence of your quote, as shown above by the context, was speaking in regard to 1914, not 1975.
"The afternoon came down as imperceptibly as age comes to a happy man. A little gold entered into the sunlight. The bay became bluer and dimpled with shore-wind ripples. Those lonely fishermen who believe that the fish bite at high tide left their rocks, and their places were taken by others, who were convinced that the fish bite at low tide." (John Steinbeck; Tortilla Flat, 1935)
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5/19/2016 4:24:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 2:38:36 PM, tstor wrote:
"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. [...] Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?. [...] It very well could be, but we will have to wait and see." (05/01/67 Watchtower)

Except that this is just another hoovian lie.

"The published timetable resulting from this independent study gives the date of man's creation as 4026 B.C.E. According to this trustworthy Bible chronology six thousand years from man's creation will end in 1975

1889 "Here we furnish the evidence that from the creation of Adam to (but not including) A.D. 1873 was six thousand years. (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 39. 1889)
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5/19/2016 4:31:58 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 2:38:36 PM, tstor wrote:
At 5/14/2016 9:16:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
Oh look another failure by the hoovian god, I think it's time they made themselves a golden calf, it never made false predictions.

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
I would like to start by saying 1975 was not a definite date. The Watchtower never taught hat 1975 would definitely be when Armageddon would occur. Consider the following quotes from their publications, all published prior to 1975:

"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. [...] Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?. [...] It very well could be, but we will have to wait and see." (05/01/67 Watchtower)

"... don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." (10/15/66 Watchtower)

"The publications of Jehovah's Witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man's existence will be completed in the mid-1970's. But these publications have never said that the world's end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation 'Why We Have Not Been Told 'That Day and Hour' was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end." (10/15/74 Watchtower)

These quotes found below are not from pre-1975 publications, so keep that in mind:

"In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah's Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel (of Frederick Franz). However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (see quote below). But Jehovah's Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah's will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation." (Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg. 104)

"There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year (1975) was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." (03/15/80 Watchtower)

In regard to the 1966 publication you quoted, I found a photocopy of it. It can be accessed here:
http://liberalgeek.com...

It turns out that the quote you used is only partially accurate. Your quote cuts out a portion of the text between "1975" and the next sentence. More than likely this is because you would not want people to examine the context. Your quote implies that the Watchtower was teaching 1975 as the definite date for Armaggedon. Consider, however, the context:

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact that the 'last days' began in 1914, and that the physical fads of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the 'time of the end.'"

So 1975 was being speculated, but 1914 was the confirmed and definite date. The last sentence of your quote, as shown above by the context, was speaking in regard to 1914, not 1975. : :

The false prophets of the JW's are just as false as the rest of the one's who claim that Jesus is their lord and savior.
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5/19/2016 8:14:03 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 10:39:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM, Danb6177 wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.

Tonight, my 21 year old daughter is insisting we must watch the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a hell that is what it must be like.

After Korean Australian Dami Im was robbed of her apparently deserved win, Australia has held a referendum to leave the EU.

AUEXIT now!
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5/19/2016 8:25:03 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/19/2016 8:14:03 AM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:39:17 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:28:28 AM, Danb6177 wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:20:43 AM, desmac wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:17:45 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/14/2016 10:11:25 AM, desmac wrote:
Probably the best record of all time was released in 1975.

Go on!

Wish you were here.

Man I was gonna say that!! definitely the best album of 1975 at least.

Tonight, my 21 year old daughter is insisting we must watch the Eurovision Song Contest. If there is a hell that is what it must be like.

After Korean Australian Dami Im was robbed of her apparently deserved win, Australia has held a referendum to leave the EU.

AUEXIT now!

I am pleased to report that I didn't hear the Australian entry, or any of the others. Had to see a man about a dog (the only place I could meet him was in the pub) so had to leave the ladies to watch it on their own.
I am all for AU remaining, perhaps they could persuade PNG and NZ to join too.
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5/19/2016 8:44:01 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 2:38:36 PM, tstor wrote:
At 5/14/2016 9:16:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
Oh look another failure by the hoovian god, I think it's time they made themselves a golden calf, it never made false predictions.

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
I would like to start by saying 1975 was not a definite date. The Watchtower never taught hat 1975 would definitely be when Armageddon would occur. Consider the following quotes from their publications, all published prior to 1975:

"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. [...] Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?. [...] It very well could be, but we will have to wait and see." (05/01/67 Watchtower)

"... don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." (10/15/66 Watchtower)

"The publications of Jehovah's Witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man's existence will be completed in the mid-1970's. But these publications have never said that the world's end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation 'Why We Have Not Been Told 'That Day and Hour' was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end." (10/15/74 Watchtower)

These quotes found below are not from pre-1975 publications, so keep that in mind:

"In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah's Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel (of Frederick Franz). However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (see quote below). But Jehovah's Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah's will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation." (Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg. 104)

"There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year (1975) was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." (03/15/80 Watchtower)

In regard to the 1966 publication you quoted, I found a photocopy of it. It can be accessed here:
http://liberalgeek.com...

It turns out that the quote you used is only partially accurate. Your quote cuts out a portion of the text between "1975" and the next sentence. More than likely this is because you would not want people to examine the context. Your quote implies that the Watchtower was teaching 1975 as the definite date for Armaggedon. Consider, however, the context:

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact that the 'last days' began in 1914, and that the physical fads of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the 'time of the end.'"

So 1975 was being speculated, but 1914 was the confirmed and definite date. The last sentence of your quote, as shown above by the context, was speaking in regard to 1914, not 1975.

They have had a lot of "confirmed and definite dates", but perchance you can inform us as to whether the quote below is the truth or not.

"Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

Personally I've never seen ONE pre-1914 quote that identified 1914 as merely the "start" of the "conclusion". To the contrary, everything I've seen from them indicates that 1914 was to be the END, the culmination of things.

Here is a sample of the pre-1914 literature:

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble." WatchTower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

What I'd like to know is: is the WatchTower being honest or lying in the above quote from AWAKE! ?
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5/19/2016 3:29:19 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/14/2016 2:38:36 PM, tstor wrote:
At 5/14/2016 9:16:47 AM, bulproof wrote:
Oh look another failure by the hoovian god, I think it's time they made themselves a golden calf, it never made false predictions.

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of Gods rest day come to an end? The year 1975. It means that within a relatively few years we will witness the fulfilment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the "time of the end"." Awake! 1966 Oct 8 pp.19-20
I would like to start by saying 1975 was not a definite date. The Watchtower never taught hat 1975 would definitely be when Armageddon would occur. Consider the following quotes from their publications, all published prior to 1975:

"...1975 marks the end of 6,000 years of human experience. [...] Will it be the time when God executes the wicked?. [...] It very well could be, but we will have to wait and see." (05/01/67 Watchtower)

"... don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975." (10/15/66 Watchtower)

"The publications of Jehovah's Witnesses have shown that, according to Bible chronology, it appears that 6,000 years of man's existence will be completed in the mid-1970's. But these publications have never said that the world's end would come then. Nevertheless, there has been considerable individual speculation on the matter. So the assembly presentation 'Why We Have Not Been Told 'That Day and Hour' was very timely. It emphasized that we do not know the exact time when God will bring the end." (10/15/74 Watchtower)

These quotes found below are not from pre-1975 publications, so keep that in mind:

"In the years following 1966, many of Jehovah's Witnesses acted in harmony with the spirit of that counsel (of Frederick Franz). However, other statements were published on this subject, and some were likely more definite than advisable. This was acknowledged in The Watchtower of March 15, 1980 (see quote below). But Jehovah's Witnesses were also cautioned to concentrate mainly on doing Jehovah's will and not to be swept up by dates and expectations of an early salvation." (Jehovah's Witnesses Proclaimers of God's Kingdom, pg. 104)

"There were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year (1975) was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated." (03/15/80 Watchtower)

In regard to the 1966 publication you quoted, I found a photocopy of it. It can be accessed here:
http://liberalgeek.com...

It turns out that the quote you used is only partially accurate. Your quote cuts out a portion of the text between "1975" and the next sentence. More than likely this is because you would not want people to examine the context. Your quote implies that the Watchtower was teaching 1975 as the definite date for Armaggedon. Consider, however, the context:

"Does God's rest day parallel the time man has been on earth since his creation? Apparently so. From the most reliable investigations of Bible chronology, harmonizing with many accepted dates of secular history, we find that Adam was created in the autumn of the year 4026 B.C.E. Sometime in that same year Eve could well have been created, directly after which God's rest day commenced. In what year, then, would the first 6,000 years of man's existence and also the first 6,000 years of God's rest day come to an end? The year 1975. This is worthy of notice, particularly in view of the fact that the 'last days' began in 1914, and that the physical fads of our day in fulfillment of prophecy mark this as the last generation of this wicked world. So we can expect the immediate future to be filled with thrilling events for those who rest their faith in God and his promises. It means that within relatively few years we will witness the fulfillment of the remaining prophecies that have to do with the 'time of the end.'"

So 1975 was being speculated, but 1914 was the confirmed and definite date. The last sentence of your quote, as shown above by the context, was speaking in regard to 1914, not 1975.

Why would the Jehovah's Witnesses speculate when they are not certain of the date or event? They have a 100 years of prediction blunders. What we should be questioning is why the members continue to follow a cult that has lied to them since its creation.
Why do you continue to defend the JW when even they have admitted their mistakes? Are you on any medication for depression or suicidal tendencies?