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5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.
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5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.
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5/22/2016 3:48:49 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

No dictionaries show that derivation. Please quote your source.
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5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.
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5/22/2016 3:56:40 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 3:48:49 PM, desmac wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

No dictionaries show that derivation. Please quote your source.

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5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................
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Chloe8
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5/22/2016 4:17:08 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

We are the same species riwaaz whether you like it or not.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

I advocate equality. I'm not a female supremacist. I never claim women are superior to men.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

Do you have a problem with this riwaaz?

I agree men are physically superior but they are not mentally superior. Men have long used their physical superiority and naturally more aggressive and assertive nature to dominate society, making it difficult for women to make significant political, intellectual, academic, technological or scientific contributions.
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5/22/2016 4:59:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 4:17:08 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

We are the same species riwaaz whether you like it or not.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

I advocate equality. I'm not a female supremacist. I never claim women are superior to men.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

Do you have a problem with this riwaaz?

I don't want this bull here in India.

I agree men are physically superior but they are not mentally superior. Men have long used their physical superiority and naturally more aggressive and assertive nature to dominate society, making it difficult for women to make significant political, intellectual, academic, technological or scientific contributions.
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5/22/2016 6:34:22 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 4:59:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 4:17:08 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

We are the same species riwaaz whether you like it or not.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

I advocate equality. I'm not a female supremacist. I never claim women are superior to men.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Feminism is a collection of movements and ideologies that share a common goal: to define, establish, and achieve equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. This includes seeking to establish equal opportunities for women in education and employment.

Do you have a problem with this riwaaz?

I don't want this bull here in India.

What do you find problematic with feminism?

I agree men are physically superior but they are not mentally superior. Men have long used their physical superiority and naturally more aggressive and assertive nature to dominate society, making it difficult for women to make significant political, intellectual, academic, technological or scientific contributions.
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5/22/2016 7:02:31 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

I don't think Peter is disapproving of braided hair or jewelry. The Bible doesn't say braided hair a sin, nor is there any biblical principle that would lead to believing braided hair is a sin. "Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external." Greek style of writing left a lot of support words unsaid if they weren't necessary to say. Most cultures of the world don't have the modern English anal obsession with spelling out everything, including the obvious. And, English Bible translations add support words to most verses so that the verses makes sense to modern English readers.

Why are many Feminists against outward adornment? Are feminists not intelligent beings, using your reasoning.
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5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.
Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol
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5/22/2016 8:11:19 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 7:02:31 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

I don't think Peter is disapproving of braided hair or jewelry.

Don't be ridiculous. Of course he is!

1 Peter 3:3-4

Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.

The Bible doesn't say braided hair a sin

True but it claims God disapproves it.

, nor is there any biblical principle that would lead to believing braided hair is a sin.

I haven't made such a claim. I said God disapproves of it. I didn't say God regarding it as a sin.

"Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external."

An apologist attempting to bend scripture. What a surprise.

Greek style of writing left a lot of support words unsaid if they weren't necessary to say. Most cultures of the world don't have the modern English anal obsession with spelling out everything, including the obvious. And, English Bible translations add support words to most verses so that the verses makes sense to modern English readers.

God should have ensured translations were accurate.

Why are many Feminists against outward adornment? Are feminists not intelligent beings, using your reasoning.

Different people have different views. A god would have no reason to dislike jewelry or braided hair. It's the silly sort of thing a 1st century man would come up with, Unless he merely copied the views of some bronze age men.
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5/22/2016 8:31:14 PM
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Joseph Stalin might have been sexist. He must not have existed...
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5/22/2016 8:34:54 PM
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At 5/22/2016 8:11:19 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

"Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external."

An apologist attempting to bend scripture. What a surprise.

An anti-Christian bigot attempting to reject common sense. What a surprise.

How can I take braided hair to be a sin when such a thing is never claimed and when there's no biblical principle to suggest it.

Peter doesn't say it's a sin. And, what he says needs to fit in the context of the whole Bible. Peter is making a statement about inner-beauty, not condemning outer beauty. The Bible promotes external adorning in many places, such as Jesus telling about the man proverbially thrown into Hell for not dressing nicely. The Bible gives much praise to beautifully adorned women, but not to women making themselves ugly like feminist lesbians. Do you think Peter is suggesting that women were dirt rags?
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5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
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5/22/2016 9:06:38 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 8:34:54 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:11:19 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

"Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external."

An apologist attempting to bend scripture. What a surprise.

An anti-Christian bigot attempting to reject common sense. What a surprise.

How can I take braided hair to be a sin when such a thing is never claimed and when there's no biblical principle to suggest it.

I didn't claim that. I'm saying the god of the bible disapproves of it. Common sense suggests "Do not let your adorning be external" means exactly that. There is no need to make up your own version. It's written in the bible for all to see.

Peter doesn't say it's a sin. And, what he says needs to fit in the context of the whole Bible. Peter is making a statement about inner-beauty, not condemning outer beauty.

He is condemning outer beauty, making it appear wrong for women to want to look externally beautiful. He is claiming it is only inner beauty god values and permits. He makes women feel ashamed of wanting to look good.

The Bible promotes external adorning in many places,

In the case of women it discusses it but not promotes it. I can show you more verses showing the bible condemns womem wantinf to display outer beauty if you want?

such as Jesus telling about the man proverbially thrown into Hell for not dressing nicely.

What a silly tale. A god sending a man to hell for how he dressed. That really shows how weak your argument is when that's all you've got.

The Bible gives much praise to beautifully adorned women,

But it discourages women from wanting to look beautiful. It looks at women as being objects and property. It looks at them from a primitive man's perspective. It says women should not want to look beautiful to discourage interested from men. This made it easier for primitive men to control women. Basic animalistic behaviour that our species is thankfully quickly evolving away from as we get more intelligent.

but not to women making themselves ugly like feminist lesbians.

I'm not aware of any feminist lesbians in the bible, must have missed that bit! Haha! Also I'm not a lesbian lol.

Do you think Peter is suggesting that women were dirt rags?

No. Why do you ask?
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5/22/2016 9:29:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 9:06:38 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:34:54 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:11:19 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

"Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external."

An apologist attempting to bend scripture. What a surprise.

An anti-Christian bigot attempting to reject common sense. What a surprise.

How can I take braided hair to be a sin when such a thing is never claimed and when there's no biblical principle to suggest it.

I didn't claim that. I'm saying the god of the bible disapproves of it. Common sense suggests "Do not let your adorning be external" means exactly that. There is no need to make up your own version. It's written in the bible for all to see.

Peter doesn't say it's a sin. And, what he says needs to fit in the context of the whole Bible. Peter is making a statement about inner-beauty, not condemning outer beauty.

He is condemning outer beauty, making it appear wrong for women to want to look externally beautiful. He is claiming it is only inner beauty god values and permits. He makes women feel ashamed of wanting to look good.

The Bible promotes external adorning in many places,

In the case of women it discusses it but not promotes it. I can show you more verses showing the bible condemns womem wantinf to display outer beauty if you want?

such as Jesus telling about the man proverbially thrown into Hell for not dressing nicely.

What a silly tale. A god sending a man to hell for how he dressed. That really shows how weak your argument is when that's all you've got.

The Bible gives much praise to beautifully adorned women,

But it discourages women from wanting to look beautiful. It looks at women as being objects and property. It looks at them from a primitive man's perspective. It says women should not want to look beautiful to discourage interested from men. This made it easier for primitive men to control women. Basic animalistic behaviour that our species is thankfully quickly evolving away from as we get more intelligent.

but not to women making themselves ugly like feminist lesbians.

I'm not aware of any feminist lesbians in the bible, must have missed that bit! Haha! Also I'm not a lesbian lol.

Do you think Peter is suggesting that women were dirt rags?

No. Why do you ask?

What did Christ say about women and homosexuals...
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5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol
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5/23/2016 9:50:58 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol

How are these verses not sexist?

I Corinthians 11:3

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I Corinthians 11:8-9

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

I Corinthians 14:34-35:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Yes the bible has no significant contributions or roles for women. It's hardly surprising when you consider it was written by a bunch of primitive patriarchal bigoted male chauvinists.

You go on about the suffering of Jesus (who allegedly chose to suffer anyway) but turn a blind eye when God drowns millions of people in a flood including innocent children.
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5/23/2016 11:05:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 9:50:58 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol

How are these verses not sexist?

I Corinthians 11:3

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I Corinthians 11:8-9

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

I Corinthians 14:34-35:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Yes the bible has no significant contributions or roles for women. It's hardly surprising when you consider it was written by a bunch of primitive patriarchal bigoted male chauvinists.

You go on about the suffering of Jesus (who allegedly chose to suffer anyway) but turn a blind eye when God drowns millions of people in a flood including innocent children.

Ut oh. A blatant lie. Isn't this the same Chloe8 that debated me on just which woman announced Jesus' resurrection? Someone doesn't know there were female prophets. Someone doesn't know the mother of Christ was well.....a woman...
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5/23/2016 11:13:27 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 9:50:58 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol

How are these verses not sexist?

I Corinthians 11:3

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I Corinthians 11:8-9

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

I Corinthians 14:34-35:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Yes the bible has no significant contributions or roles for women. It's hardly surprising when you consider it was written by a bunch of primitive patriarchal bigoted male chauvinists.

You go on about the suffering of Jesus (who allegedly chose to suffer anyway) but turn a blind eye when God drowns millions of people in a flood including innocent children.

You've got a lot of explaining to do Chloe.

Was it sexist that men are to be submissive to Christ????

Does the Bible command women to get married?

Is it sexist that men fall into more judgement with God in reference to marriage?

If it's so awful and bs, why do women actually biologically look for and become arroused by men that fit the model of leadership and masculinity? I'll wait.
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5/24/2016 6:54:58 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 9:29:44 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/22/2016 9:06:38 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:34:54 PM, Rukado wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:11:19 PM, Chloe8 wrote:

"Do not let your adorning be external" should be taken to mean "Do not let your adorning be only or excessively external."

An apologist attempting to bend scripture. What a surprise.

An anti-Christian bigot attempting to reject common sense. What a surprise.

How can I take braided hair to be a sin when such a thing is never claimed and when there's no biblical principle to suggest it.

I didn't claim that. I'm saying the god of the bible disapproves of it. Common sense suggests "Do not let your adorning be external" means exactly that. There is no need to make up your own version. It's written in the bible for all to see.

Peter doesn't say it's a sin. And, what he says needs to fit in the context of the whole Bible. Peter is making a statement about inner-beauty, not condemning outer beauty.

He is condemning outer beauty, making it appear wrong for women to want to look externally beautiful. He is claiming it is only inner beauty god values and permits. He makes women feel ashamed of wanting to look good.

The Bible promotes external adorning in many places,

In the case of women it discusses it but not promotes it. I can show you more verses showing the bible condemns womem wantinf to display outer beauty if you want?

such as Jesus telling about the man proverbially thrown into Hell for not dressing nicely.

What a silly tale. A god sending a man to hell for how he dressed. That really shows how weak your argument is when that's all you've got.

The Bible gives much praise to beautifully adorned women,

But it discourages women from wanting to look beautiful. It looks at women as being objects and property. It looks at them from a primitive man's perspective. It says women should not want to look beautiful to discourage interested from men. This made it easier for primitive men to control women. Basic animalistic behaviour that our species is thankfully quickly evolving away from as we get more intelligent.

but not to women making themselves ugly like feminist lesbians.

I'm not aware of any feminist lesbians in the bible, must have missed that bit! Haha! Also I'm not a lesbian lol.

Do you think Peter is suggesting that women were dirt rags?

No. Why do you ask?

What did Christ say about women and homosexuals...

"You guys coming back to my place?"
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5/24/2016 7:33:56 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Why are you so afraid of women?
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5/24/2016 7:39:22 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 7:33:56 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Why are you so afraid of women?

I bet Mrs. Bulproof has put the fear in you a few times.
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5/24/2016 7:45:32 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
I don't think your book killed anyone and there was no flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Moses did what? Never mind he's a mythical figure
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
So the story goes.
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Got any evidence that the 12 were killed?
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol
Reading the bible is a sure way to realise it's sexist.
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5/24/2016 8:19:25 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/23/2016 11:13:27 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/23/2016 9:50:58 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/23/2016 9:11:42 AM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 8:36:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 7:37:08 PM, skipsaweirdo wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Another typical ridiculous opinion by someone who thinks they understand ancient civilizations and what is the most beneficial for society. Go yell at the Marines for having lower standards for women then men. Go figure out why women's professional basketball hasn't made a decent profit in 15 years. Go scream at professional tennis players association for having rules where women in major tournament's only have to do 67% of the work the men do but they seem to think they deserve the same payout equal to the men's winnings. Sexism is an illusion created by ignorant women who have been trained psychologically to think as victims instead of looking at reality. Women can't do everything at the level of men and men can't give birth......get a clue..lol

Go back to the 1st century. You will like it there. I'm actually a fan of tennis, the solution is to bring in 5 set matches as grand slams. Easy solution you would think. However tournament directors say there is insufficient time for longer women's matches. Ideally build some more courts but if that's not possible why not let the men play best of 3 and the women best of 5 on alternate years? It's a privilege to play best of 5. The players love it. If you asked players if they want to reduce matches to best of 3 guess what the answer would be? A clear no!

The military should have the same standard for both genders. I believe in equality not discrimination against men. I know nothing about basketball so have nothing to offer on the issue. Clearly the league must be poorly run and/ or have few followers. Sexism is very real. I see how you don't like women getting easier targets to get in the military then men, that's sexism that effects your gender and you notice it. Think about other people not just yourself.

What is it about discrimination on the grounds of someone's gender that is good for society?
The bible killed both men and women in Noahs flood.
Moses, a man walked and suffered 40 days though the desert.
Jesus, a man, was nailed to a cross,
Jesus's 12 disciples were men, put on trial and killed as witnesses.
Exactly what makes you think the bible was sexist. Wait, not enough women were killed and tortured....lol

How are these verses not sexist?

I Corinthians 11:3

"But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God."

I Corinthians 11:8-9

"For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man."

I Corinthians 14:34-35:

"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church."

Yes the bible has no significant contributions or roles for women. It's hardly surprising when you consider it was written by a bunch of primitive patriarchal bigoted male chauvinists.

You go on about the suffering of Jesus (who allegedly chose to suffer anyway) but turn a blind eye when God drowns millions of people in a flood including innocent children.

You've got a lot of explaining to do Chloe.

Was it sexist that men are to be submissive to Christ????

No. Jesus was another man.

Does the Bible command women to get married?

No but in some cases they are forced to get married against their will.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 "If a man meets a virgin who is not betrothed, and seizes her and lies with her, and they are found, then the man who lay with her shall give to the father of the young woman fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he has violated her. He may not divorce her all his days."

Is it sexist that men fall into more judgement with God in reference to marriage?

Yes.

If it's so awful and bs, why do women actually biologically look for and become arroused by men that fit the model of leadership and masculinity? I'll wait.

Because it's an evolutionary advantage for women to find masculinity and leadership attractive. An ancient cavewoman would be attracted to the male who lead and ordered around the other males in the group and could dominate the other males in fights. It's common sense. It creates better genetics, more chance of any children surviving, more chance of food, more chance of being protected from attacks from predators, other humans etc.
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5/25/2016 3:42:49 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/24/2016 7:39:22 AM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/24/2016 7:33:56 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/22/2016 4:03:44 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:51:41 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
At 5/22/2016 3:21:04 PM, Riwaaz_Ras wrote:
At 5/22/2016 2:47:45 PM, Chloe8 wrote:
In the new testament we read the following verse;

Peter 3:1-6

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external"the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear" but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

If you ever want proof the bible has no divine influence then here it is. Why would a god disapprove of braided hair or jewellery? That such an intelligent being would hold such a nonsensical objection to such trivial things is ridiculous. The 1st century author happened to be a male chauvinist typical of his unenlightened age. His unenlightened 1st century mind could not consider the mythical boogeyman he was writing about (he actually believed it existed!) could be anything other than a sexist bigot like himself.

Feminism is derived from Female Chauvinism.

False.

Feminism = the advocacy of women's rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.

DC,

Common sense dictates that two very different things are not equal.

if equal, then why only women, empower men too.

And,

equality of the sexes? in what-

weigh, height, intelligence, achievements, world records ................................

Why are you so afraid of women?

I bet Mrs. Bulproof has put the fear in you a few times.
Yeah but she's frightening Annie. :)
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