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PureX
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5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.
dhardage
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5/27/2016 8:49:24 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So, unicorns. Present or absent?
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5/30/2016 2:26:16 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

The absence of codes in every aspect of reality. The absence of prophecy being extremely specific yet still coming to be.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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5/30/2016 2:40:13 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 2:26:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

The absence of codes in every aspect of reality. The absence of prophecy being extremely specific yet still coming to be.

GARBAGE!
RuvDraba
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5/30/2016 4:55:03 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?
I'm not sure you'll get much answer on this, Red.

Monotheistic apologetics comprises millennia of arguing how an intelligent, active, compassionate, respectful, morally-ordering agency has nevertheless created and sustained a highly predictable universe of immoral consequence without intervening in events that even humanity can now predict and intervene in.

You're asking unemployed serial bankrupts at what point their current line of presuppositional credit should be foreclosed.
PureX
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5/30/2016 5:14:56 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

I was being serious. You asked for real evidence of an 'absence'. And IMO, real evidence of an absence would require that there must first be evidence for something having been present, and then, by that same evidence, it is now no longer present. Thus, it is "really" absent.
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5/30/2016 7:35:37 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

There really isn't much, many things we thought were absent (or extinct) are not so absent after all.
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5/30/2016 8:21:28 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

To some, when considering nothing is ever new under the sun, the thought of imagination becomes as empirical as anything is real in this world so fake.
Redfordnutt
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7/7/2016 5:44:25 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So everything that is absent, has once existed?

So a 1000ft bright pink unicorn that is constantly backflipping on the moon once existed?
Redfordnutt
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7/7/2016 5:47:16 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:21:28 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

To some, when considering nothing is ever new under the sun, the thought of imagination becomes as empirical as anything is real in this world so fake.

So what is your answer on my OP?
PureX
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7/7/2016 6:14:29 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 5:44:25 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So everything that is absent, has once existed?

So a 1000ft bright pink unicorn that is constantly backflipping on the moon once existed?

The term "absence" refers to something that had been present, or at least was expected to have been present, but is not present, now. Something that had never been present, nor expected in the first place, would not be considered "absent", because the question of it's presence or absence wouldn't be applicable.
brontoraptor
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7/7/2016 6:57:20 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/27/2016 8:49:24 PM, dhardage wrote:
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So, unicorns. Present or absent?

Must be present if you are an evolutionist. It's simply be a horse that evolved a horn.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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7/7/2016 6:58:17 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/30/2016 2:40:13 PM, tarantula wrote:
At 5/30/2016 2:26:16 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

The absence of codes in every aspect of reality. The absence of prophecy being extremely specific yet still coming to be.

GARBAGE!

Was that it? Oh I assumed there was more...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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7/7/2016 7:00:37 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 5:44:25 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So everything that is absent, has once existed?

So a 1000ft bright pink unicorn that is constantly backflipping on the moon once existed?

Or perhaps mythical walking 80,000 pound whales that evolved from hyenas that had hooves?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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7/7/2016 7:02:18 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

If the presence of something would produce observable evidence, but none such is found, absence would be a reasonable conclusion.

Noah's flood is a good example.
The metaphysicist has no laboratory.
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7/7/2016 7:04:15 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 7:00:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/7/2016 5:44:25 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So everything that is absent, has once existed?

So a 1000ft bright pink unicorn that is constantly backflipping on the moon once existed?

Or perhaps mythical walking 80,000 pound whales that evolved from hyenas that had hooves?
I don't think you read the title:
"Question For Intelligent Theists"
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
brontoraptor
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7/7/2016 7:16:45 PM
Posted: 4 months ago
At 7/7/2016 7:04:15 PM, bulproof wrote:
At 7/7/2016 7:00:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 7/7/2016 5:44:25 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
At 5/27/2016 8:28:50 PM, PureX wrote:
At 5/27/2016 12:54:51 PM, Redfordnutt wrote:
What would constitute as evidence of absence?

First, having been. Then having gone.

So everything that is absent, has once existed?

So a 1000ft bright pink unicorn that is constantly backflipping on the moon once existed?

Or perhaps mythical walking 80,000 pound whales that evolved from hyenas that had hooves?
I don't think you read the title:
"Question For Intelligent Theists"

It's your mythical Walking whale that's mom howled at night while going clippity clop, clippity clop...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...