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5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?
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5/29/2016 9:11:44 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

If you read the account, they were not killed, just drive out.

Because the flesh they were possessing was drowned they were forced back into the spirit realm.

The the has not yet come for Satan or his demon followers to be destroyed, the evidence is still coming in. As scripture tells us they will be destroyed very soon after the final test, because that will signal that they have lost their challenge completely.

Jehovah does not judge fully until the evidence is all in.
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5/29/2016 9:17:39 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:11:44 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

If you read the account, they were not killed, just drive out.

Because the flesh they were possessing was drowned they were forced back into the spirit realm.

The the has not yet come for Satan or his demon followers to be destroyed, the evidence is still coming in. As scripture tells us they will be destroyed very soon after the final test, because that will signal that they have lost their challenge completely.

Jehovah does not judge fully until the evidence is all in.
So killing the pigs was just some more gratuitous killing on your god's part?
Why not just drive them back into the spirit realm? Or is that beyond your god's capacities too?
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

The verse you quote is simply another misuse of the word "hell". It should, more acurately read:

2 Peter 2:4
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tartarus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

The footnote on Tartarus points to another article which reads:

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah"s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar"ta"roE7;o (to "cast into Tartarus") does not signify that "the angels who sinned" were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God"s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as "the abyss" spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3. http://wol.jw.org...

The word Tartarus should not even be translated as "Hell", since that comes from the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades.

That relatively small group of demons has been judged, as have all the people ho died in the flood, ad the demons are now incarcerated awaiting sentencing.

The majority of demons are still active, and were cast down to the earth with their leader Satan, as described at Revelation 12.
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5/29/2016 9:31:29 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

The verse you quote is simply another misuse of the word "hell". It should, more acurately read:

2 Peter 2:4
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tartarus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

The footnote on Tartarus points to another article which reads:

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah"s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar"ta"roE7;o (to "cast into Tartarus") does not signify that "the angels who sinned" were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God"s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as "the abyss" spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3. http://wol.jw.org...

The word Tartarus should not even be translated as "Hell", since that comes from the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades.

That relatively small group of demons has been judged, as have all the people ho died in the flood, ad the demons are now incarcerated awaiting sentencing.

The majority of demons are still active, and were cast down to the earth with their leader Satan, as described at Revelation 12.
Where did these disobedient angels come from?
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5/29/2016 10:26:26 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:17:39 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:11:44 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

If you read the account, they were not killed, just drive out.

Because the flesh they were possessing was drowned they were forced back into the spirit realm.

The the has not yet come for Satan or his demon followers to be destroyed, the evidence is still coming in. As scripture tells us they will be destroyed very soon after the final test, because that will signal that they have lost their challenge completely.

Jehovah does not judge fully until the evidence is all in.
So killing the pigs was just some more gratuitous killing on your god's part?
Why not just drive them back into the spirit realm? Or is that beyond your god's capacities too?

Again another false line of enquiry which results from the false belief tat Jesus was ever God.

Like I have said befiore, if you choose the wrong starting point you will end up on the wrong road.

No, but it was not time to force them to do anything, and if you remember the account they actually asked to be allowed to go into the swine.

Jesus did not have sufficient authority to do anything else. He was not and is not God. He had to grant their request, especially since to do so got them out of the man, which was after all the whole point of the exercise.

Only Jehovah would have been able to deny their request, and he had no real reason to do so, nor, as far as we are told, did Jesus consult him on it.

Humans were designed to live forever, hence they get a resurrection. Animals apparently were not. They are nothing more than a means to a number of ends, varying from providing enjoyable work for mankind caring for them as well as much enjoyment, and also adding to the fertilisation the soil at the same time ( or in this case becoming food for the fishes, and nutrients or any water plants).

There truly is an up side to everything Jehovah does, or even just allows, if only people bother to look for it.

Most people prefer to concentrate on the seemingly negative.
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5/29/2016 10:33:49 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:31:29 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

The verse you quote is simply another misuse of the word "hell". It should, more acurately read:

2 Peter 2:4
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tartarus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

The footnote on Tartarus points to another article which reads:

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah"s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar"ta"roE7;o (to "cast into Tartarus") does not signify that "the angels who sinned" were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God"s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as "the abyss" spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3. http://wol.jw.org...

The word Tartarus should not even be translated as "Hell", since that comes from the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades.

That relatively small group of demons has been judged, as have all the people ho died in the flood, ad the demons are now incarcerated awaiting sentencing.

The majority of demons are still active, and were cast down to the earth with their leader Satan, as described at Revelation 12.
Where did these disobedient angels come from?

The same place all Angels came from, they started out as obedient Angels but let themselves get tempted.

That is why the issue is still ongoing. For the sake of true justice not only being done, but being seen to have been done, comprehensively, Jehovah has set a time for Satan to prove his challenge, and he will not alter that time.

I do know the plan, set in the Garden of Eden, had it's development tied to a fixed timescale for certain stages, and we are now on the cusp of moving from the penultimate stage to the final stage, the start of which will be marked by Armageddon.
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5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.
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5/29/2016 4:00:23 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

Hmmm... what is the likeliness of the two scenarios?

1. That those demons do exist and have fooled the vast majority of reasonable, rational, thinking people on the planet into believing they don't exist simply because there isn't a shred of evidence for their existence, or...

2. An irrational deluded person who constantly preaches doom and gloom and believes such demons exist based on a book written centuries ago by other irrational, deluded men who knew nothing about the world around them or the psychological disorders they possessed.

It's a close call, but I think No. 2 is the obvious winner.
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5/29/2016 4:07:37 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

That's the worst - or one of the worst - pseudotranslations of that passage I've ever seen. It's a mutilation of it. Where'd it come from?
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/29/2016 4:10:29 PM
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At 5/29/2016 10:26:26 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Humans were designed to live forever, hence they get a resurrection. Animals apparently were not.

In your opinion, can a human spirit live a life within the body of an animal?
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5/29/2016 4:19:21 PM
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At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

There is no evidence to support their existence. People who knew no better thought epileptics were demonically possessed when having a seizure!
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5/29/2016 4:22:28 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

The verse you quote is simply another misuse of the word "hell". It should, more acurately read:

2 Peter 2:4
4 Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tartarus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment.

The footnote on Tartarus points to another article which reads:

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, a prisonlike abased condition into which the disobedient angels of Noah"s day were cast. At 2 Peter 2:4, the use of the verb tar"ta"roE7;o (to "cast into Tartarus") does not signify that "the angels who sinned" were cast into the pagan mythological Tartarus (that is, an underground prison and place of darkness for the lesser gods). Rather, it indicates that they were abased by God from their heavenly place and privileges and were delivered over to a condition of deepest mental darkness respecting God"s bright purposes. Darkness also marks their own eventuality, which the Scriptures show is everlasting destruction along with their ruler, Satan the Devil. Therefore, Tartarus denotes the lowest condition of abasement for those rebellious angels. It is not the same as "the abyss" spoken of at Revelation 20:1-3. http://wol.jw.org...

The word Tartarus should not even be translated as "Hell", since that comes from the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades.

That relatively small group of demons has been judged, as have all the people ho died in the flood, ad the demons are now incarcerated awaiting sentencing.

The majority of demons are still active, and were cast down to the earth with their leader Satan, as described at Revelation 12.

Today I've seen 6 or 7 comments about the scriptures not meaning that but this.
This has to be some sick joke god plays. They make this great holy , educational book of truth . It seems like your god endorses this book. And has the ways of wich the god expects us to somewhat follow.
Then he turns it into a pick-a-path like book. Choose your own adventure.
And as a bonus he puts romeo and Juliette type wording , hearith and there .
With the numerous numbers of different bible they produce. Why can't they bring out the , straight forward bible . You read the scriptures , then turn to the back page and turn the book upside-down . To read the true meaning.
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5/29/2016 4:27:37 PM
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At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

I wouldn't go so far to say they're being naughty, when maybe it's the stigma of drugs these primadonas tend to attach to labels.
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5/29/2016 4:51:56 PM
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At 5/29/2016 4:22:28 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

The majority of demons are still active, and were cast down to the earth with their leader Satan, as described at Revelation 12.

Today I've seen 6 or 7 comments about the scriptures not meaning that but this.

And only one can be right.

This has to be some sick joke god plays. They make this great holy , educational book of truth . It seems like your god endorses this book. And has the ways of wich the god expects us to somewhat follow.

Oh it is no joke, at least not by God anyway.

If anyone is making a joke out of it, it is Satan and all who follow him, knowingly or not, which basically encompases the vast majority of humans.

Then he turns it into a pick-a-path like book. Choose your own adventure.

That is what Satan has made it into because he wants to confuse the truly simple issue, hence he has encouraged, especially in these ens times, the growth of thousands of fake Christian faiths.

Those who are serious about finding the truth of scripture can and will, but it is not easy, and it means ignoring all the attempts Satan has set up to sidetrack us.

It is in there, and if you prove yourself to be one who cares enough about truth to make a sincere effort, Jehovah will arrange for you to be helped.

After all he has declared an intention to find such ones, as his son pointed out at John 4:23,24.

The trouble is Satan has had far too much success in blinding people's minds. 2 Corinthians 4:3,4; Matthew 13:15.

Matthew 13:15
15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them."

That is Satan's work:

2 Corinthians 4:3, 4
3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination* of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

He has a great many ways of achieving that.

And as a bonus he puts romeo and Juliette type wording , hearith and there .

Lol he didn't put that wording in, it wasn't even written in English but translated at various times.

There are a number of modern English translations but as far as I am concerned there is only one honest enough to put Jehovah's name everywhere it belongs, ad use modern English, albeit the American version.

However some traditionalists prefer the archaic language.

With the numerous numbers of different bible they produce. Why can't they bring out the , straight forward bible . You read the scriptures , then turn to the back page and turn the book upside-down . To read the true meaning.

There is no such thing as a straight forward Bible and it would be no test of our determination to find the truth in it if it were.

Nor would it test our ability to trust in Jehovah to provide the help we need which is one major reason so many people fail to get at the truth of it.

We need two things:

1: To recognise that we do not have sufficient wisdom to understand it without help.
2: The ability to trust Jehovah to keep his word.

Both of the above are covered by:

James 1:5-8
5 So if any one of you is lacking in wisdom, let him keep asking God, for he gives generously to all and without reproaching, and it will be given him. 6 But let him keep asking in faith, not doubting at all, for the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven by the wind and blown about. 7 In fact, that man should not expect to receive anything from Jehovah; 8 he is an indecisive man, unsteady in all his ways.

Not one of us has enough wisdom to understand it, but we have to be prepared to admit that, and we will get the help we need, in Jehovah's own way and Jehovah's own time.
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5/29/2016 5:00:46 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 4:19:21 PM, tarantula wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

There is no evidence to support their existence. People who knew no better thought epileptics were demonically possessed when having a seizure!

As always, none that you want to accept, though in fat there is more than enough of it around.
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5/29/2016 5:05:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 4:10:29 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 10:26:26 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Humans were designed to live forever, hence they get a resurrection. Animals apparently were not.

In your opinion, can a human spirit live a life within the body of an animal?

No because once it was in an animal it would become the spirit of an animal.

What your question tells me is that you do not understand what spirit is.

In fact spirit is precisely the same thing whether it is what a spirit being is made up of, or what gives life to a human or an animal.

The only thing that varies is the use it is put to, and who by.

There is only one spirit, but it has many uses, and can be apportioned out in a sense.
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5/29/2016 5:05:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 4:10:29 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 10:26:26 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Humans were designed to live forever, hence they get a resurrection. Animals apparently were not.

In your opinion, can a human spirit live a life within the body of an animal?

I can only tell you what scripture reveals, I do not allow myself personal opinions.

No because once it was in an animal it would become the spirit of an animal.

What your question tells me is that you do not understand what spirit is.

In fact spirit is precisely the same thing whether it is what a spirit being is made up of, or what gives life to a human or an animal.

The only thing that varies is the use it is put to, and who by.

There is only one spirit, but it has many uses, and can be apportioned out in a sense.
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5/29/2016 5:10:43 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 4:07:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

That's the worst - or one of the worst - pseudotranslations of that passage I've ever seen. It's a mutilation of it. Where'd it come from?

You are the one who supports dishonest translations Anna, not I.

Translations that are so dishonest that they cannot even be honest enough to put Jehovah's self chosen name, his "memorial to time indefiniteS, in any available language, where it truly belongs.

It is the most accurate version you will ever see, and comes from the only translation in existence which is translated honestly enough to put the holy name of God everywhere it can be proven that it belongs.

And you know as well as I do which one that is.

Can you point me to one other translation that honest Anna? You know you cannot and I can prove it.
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5/29/2016 5:12:02 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:10:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:07:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

That's the worst - or one of the worst - pseudotranslations of that passage I've ever seen. It's a mutilation of it. Where'd it come from?

You are the one who supports dishonest translations Anna, not I.

I'm not the one who quoted a perversion of I Pet 3: 18-21. You did. I honestly didn't check to see exactly where you got it. Where'd it come from?
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5/29/2016 5:12:17 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 4:00:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

Hmmm... what is the likeliness of the two scenarios?

1. That those demons do exist and have fooled the vast majority of reasonable, rational, thinking people on the planet into believing they don't exist simply because there isn't a shred of evidence for their existence, or...

2. An irrational deluded person who constantly preaches doom and gloom and believes such demons exist based on a book written centuries ago by other irrational, deluded men who knew nothing about the world around them or the psychological disorders they possessed.

It's a close call, but I think No. 2 is the obvious winner.

Depends on whether you wish to be found to be right in the end.

Apparently you do not care about that.

They exist and they have you well and truly fooled. Get over it.
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5/29/2016 5:14:48 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:10:43 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:07:37 PM, annanicole wrote:
At 5/29/2016 9:25:56 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 8:39:18 AM, Composer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 7:46:44 AM, bulproof wrote:
A follow up to the farmer thread.
Just how were the demons killed?
Or weren't they?

Yes it's interesting also exposing the ' fallen supernatural angels - demons '

2 Pe 2:4 For if God spared not angels when they sinned, but cast them down to hell, and committed them to pits of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; ASV Story book

Their own propaganda states that these alleged fallen heavenly angels are cast to hell etc. reserved for judgment, but then they contradict themselves by asserting these naughty angels are out & about still being naughty?

That simply shows the lack of depth to your very limited understanding of what scripture says.

For a start Peter is not there talking about all the demons, but is referring to the disobedient Angels that were forced back into the spirit realm and "imprisoned" after their adventures there. They are the noes that the resurrected Christ preached to "in prison" before materialising a body to be seen by his followers on earth, as 1 Peter 3:18-20 shows:

18 For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit. 19 And in this state he went and preached to the spirits in prison, 20 who had formerly been disobedient when God was patiently waiting in Noah"s day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

That's the worst - or one of the worst - pseudotranslations of that passage I've ever seen. It's a mutilation of it. Where'd it come from?

You are the one who supports dishonest translations Anna, not I.

Translations that are so dishonest that they cannot even be honest enough to put Jehovah's self chosen name, his "memorial to time indefiniteS, in any available language, where it truly belongs.

It is the most accurate version you will ever see, and comes from the only translation in existence which is translated honestly enough to put the holy name of God everywhere it can be proven that it belongs.

You are talking about textual correction and criticism - not translation. I've asked you a hundred times to show us the Greek manuscripts from which these dishonest translators of, say, the KJV or ASV removed the name. Thus far, you haven't shown us a single instance. And you won't. You can't.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/29/2016 5:18:45 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:00:46 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:19:21 PM, tarantula wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

There is no evidence to support their existence. People who knew no better thought epileptics were demonically possessed when having a seizure!

As always, none that you want to accept, though in fat there is more than enough of it around.

But what about my dog man? For the likes of somebody knowing everything about nothing, tell me something about my dog. Either I'm so stupid or my dog is just that smart, but those to whom talk the most, most certainly must know the most when motormouth you go the fastest boat to sink or swim who cares to care not...just thought you could tell me about my dog.
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5/29/2016 5:19:44 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:12:17 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:00:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

I stated, "I've asked you a hundred times to show us the Greek manuscripts from which these dishonest translators of, say, the KJV or ASV removed the name. Thus far, you haven't shown us a single instance. And you won't."

Just add that to the list - a longass list - of very easy, very specific questions or request that, when the chips are down, you won't answer. Heck, you can't. You just assure us that "dishonest translators removed the name". However, when you are asked to provide an instance of the happening, you habitually fall short.
Madcornishbiker: "No, I don't need a dictionary, I know how scripture uses words and that is all I need to now."
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5/29/2016 5:48:12 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:05:44 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:10:29 PM, MasonicSlayer wrote:
At 5/29/2016 10:26:26 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:

Humans were designed to live forever, hence they get a resurrection. Animals apparently were not.

In your opinion, can a human spirit live a life within the body of an animal?

I can only tell you what scripture reveals, I do not allow myself personal opinions.

No because once it was in an animal it would become the spirit of an animal.

What your question tells me is that you do not understand what spirit is.

This sounds like a personal opinion but surely a fact since you do not allow such silliness of opinion to infect your obvious wisdom

In fact spirit is precisely the same thing whether it is what a spirit being is made up of, or what gives life to a human or an animal.

Either I'm confused or you are the spirit of a weasel with magical abilities to turn the rubber of contradiction to stone fact, and still my stupidity applauds the show.

The only thing that varies is the use it is put to, and who by.

There is only one spirit, but it has many uses, and can be apportioned out in a sense.
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5/29/2016 5:51:24 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/29/2016 5:12:17 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 4:00:23 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:49:27 PM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/29/2016 2:33:04 PM, tarantula wrote:
Only the extremely gullible believe demons exist!

Oh, so the fact that they have fooled you into believe they don't exist doesn't make you even more gullible?

Of course it does. They love it when they can fool people that way.

Your denying their existence gives them free rein to do what they like without you ever blaming them, lol.

Hmmm... what is the likeliness of the two scenarios?

1. That those demons do exist and have fooled the vast majority of reasonable, rational, thinking people on the planet into believing they don't exist simply because there isn't a shred of evidence for their existence, or...

2. An irrational deluded person who constantly preaches doom and gloom and believes such demons exist based on a book written centuries ago by other irrational, deluded men who knew nothing about the world around them or the psychological disorders they possessed.

It's a close call, but I think No. 2 is the obvious winner.

Depends on whether you wish to be found to be right in the end.

Apparently you do not care about that.

Of course not, no one is interested in your doom and gloom preaching, it's all bs.

They exist and they have you well and truly fooled. Get over it.

You are a deluded fool, deal with it.
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5/29/2016 6:17:00 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
Chances are we see demons every day. Demons and angles or what's the difference to know, when I know many days they're impossible to lose from sight. The larger question one should ask is who's good and who's bad. To many my life looks worse than a horror show, and being offered the job of grim reaper does little to improve my image. But an angel of goodness no doubt the less I'll never be. The good compared to the bad we see in others will always be the reflection of self worth.