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brontoraptor
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5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Romans 1:20
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

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bulproof
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5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
illegalcombat
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5/30/2016 7:10:28 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Explain exactly what we are without excuse for not believing.

What exactly is "understood" from what has being made ?
tarantula
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5/30/2016 7:21:17 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Garbage, if god exists why doesn't it make its existence beyond dispute which it doesn't. So therefore it is either playing silly beggars, or more likely it doesn't exist.
Cryo
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5/30/2016 8:38:27 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Exactly. I remember the first time I read that verse and thought, "Wait, did they just say something invisible, something that by definition cannot be seen, was clearly seen? What the... "

On a more serious note, assuming god exists, where is he? If his goal is to bring as many people as possible into heaven, then why wouldn't he reveal himself and prove that he exists, so that every human who ever lived could know of his existence and then make an informed decision on whether they wanted to follow him or not?

Why would god speak to Abraham, or reveal himself to Saul, but not to the rest of us? God not revealing himself to everyone is counterproductive to his supposed goals.
bulproof
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5/30/2016 8:44:59 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:38:27 AM, Cryo wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Exactly. I remember the first time I read that verse and thought, "Wait, did they just say something invisible, something that by definition cannot be seen, was clearly seen? What the... "

On a more serious note, assuming god exists, where is he? If his goal is to bring as many people as possible into heaven, then why wouldn't he reveal himself and prove that he exists, so that every human who ever lived could know of his existence and then make an informed decision on whether they wanted to follow him or not?

Why would god speak to Abraham, or reveal himself to Saul, but not to the rest of us? God not revealing himself to everyone is counterproductive to his supposed goals.
Ahh but if you read The Book you'll see that he generally fails at everything.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
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5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.

When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.
bulproof
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5/30/2016 8:56:50 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.
Invisible means can't be seen, only a fool would claim otherwise and you have. Well done.
When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?
When are you going to learn what words mean?
Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.
Most things are what they seem, in your world of insanity a tree may very well be an elephant but in the real world it isn't.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
MadCornishBiker
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5/30/2016 9:08:24 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:44:59 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:38:27 AM, Cryo wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Exactly. I remember the first time I read that verse and thought, "Wait, did they just say something invisible, something that by definition cannot be seen, was clearly seen? What the... "

On a more serious note, assuming god exists, where is he? If his goal is to bring as many people as possible into heaven, then why wouldn't he reveal himself and prove that he exists, so that every human who ever lived could know of his existence and then make an informed decision on whether they wanted to follow him or not?

Why would god speak to Abraham, or reveal himself to Saul, but not to the rest of us? God not revealing himself to everyone is counterproductive to his supposed goals.
Ahh but if you read The Book you'll see that he generally fails at everything.

He has revealed himself to mall who know how to look and whose hearts have not been dulled by Satan's tactics, as Christ explains, and Paul repeats:

Matthew 13:15
15 For the heart of this people has grown unreceptive, and with their ears they have heard without response, and they have shut their eyes, so that they might never see with their eyes and hear with their ears and get the sense of it with their hearts and turn back and I heal them."

2 Corinthians 4:3, 4
3 If, in fact, the good news we declare is veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4 among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through.

As Jesus intimates Satan's victims can be healed by him, but only, as with any illness, mental physical or spiritual, if they recognise they have a problem and turn to the relevant source of such healing.

Abraham and such other ones did just that, so they got the healing needed, painful as it was at times.

You and those like you have not yet recognised your problem, like all who are "addicted" to this system of things.
MadCornishBiker
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5/30/2016 9:09:48 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:56:50 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.
Invisible means can't be seen, only a fool would claim otherwise and you have. Well done.
When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?
When are you going to learn what words mean?

It seems I have a better understanding of what words can mean than you do.

As history shows, they are not set in stone, they change, "evolve".

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.
Most things are what they seem, in your world of insanity a tree may very well be an elephant but in the real world it isn't.
desmac
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5/30/2016 10:39:18 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
Well I Suppose that "Kill the excuses" is better than the usual "Kill the unbelievers/heretics/infidels".
bulproof
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5/30/2016 10:47:05 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 9:09:48 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:56:50 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.
Invisible means can't be seen, only a fool would claim otherwise and you have. Well done.
When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?
When are you going to learn what words mean?

It seems I have a better understanding of what words can mean than you do.
Not when you claim that "invisible can be seen."
How foolish and ignorant can you get.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
DanneJeRusse
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5/30/2016 12:52:55 PM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.

Liars for Jesus will often use this absurd assertion which only serves to reveal their depth of deception. The wind and gravity can be detected and measured accurately and consistently by instruments, of which they quite visible. Gods have yet to achieve anything remotely similar.

When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.

And yet, the wind and gravity are exactly what they seem to be. Truth is something you evidently lack.
Marrying a 6 year old and waiting until she reaches puberty and maturity before having consensual sex is better than walking up to
a stranger in a bar and proceeding to have relations with no valid proof of the intent of the person. Muhammad wins. ~ Fatihah
If they don't want to be killed then they have to subdue to the Islamic laws. - Uncung
Without God, you are lower than sh!t. ~ SpiritandTruth
brontoraptor
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6/7/2016 5:45:38 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 12:52:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.

Liars for Jesus will often use this absurd assertion which only serves to reveal their depth of deception. The wind and gravity can be detected and measured accurately and consistently by instruments, of which they quite visible. Gods have yet to achieve anything remotely similar.

When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.

And yet, the wind and gravity are exactly what they seem to be. Truth is something you evidently lack.

Okay tell us what gravity is. I'd love to hear this one.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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6/7/2016 5:50:20 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 12:52:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.

Liars for Jesus will often use this absurd assertion which only serves to reveal their depth of deception. The wind and gravity can be detected and measured accurately and consistently by instruments, of which they quite visible. Gods have yet to achieve anything remotely similar.

When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.

And yet, the wind and gravity are exactly what they seem to be. Truth is something you evidently lack.

Is it a force or a warping of space time and why?
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
bulproof
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6/7/2016 7:47:13 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 6/7/2016 5:45:38 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 5/30/2016 12:52:55 PM, DanneJeRusse wrote:
At 5/30/2016 8:50:09 AM, MadCornishBiker wrote:
At 5/30/2016 4:20:30 AM, bulproof wrote:
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

Invisible has been clearly seen.
Were you people born without a capacity for cognitive dissonance or have you had it indoctrinated out of you.

Invisible can be seen, as in the wind or gravity, by it's effects and consequences.

Liars for Jesus will often use this absurd assertion which only serves to reveal their depth of deception. The wind and gravity can be detected and measured accurately and consistently by instruments, of which they quite visible. Gods have yet to achieve anything remotely similar.

When are you going to be educated to a standard where you can recognise when apparent cognitive dissonance is not real cognitive dissonance?

Things are rarely as they seem to be. Truth more than most.

And yet, the wind and gravity are exactly what they seem to be. Truth is something you evidently lack.

Okay tell us what gravity is. I'd love to hear this one.

It's a visible invisible god of course, gee you're dumb.
Religion is just mind control. George Carlin
tarantula
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6/7/2016 8:21:54 AM
Posted: 6 months ago
At 5/30/2016 3:13:23 AM, brontoraptor wrote:
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.


Romans 1:20

The is totally untrue and a lie!