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Is God the same God from the Old to the New?

missmedic
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6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?
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6/12/2016 7:07:34 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

OT tells about many gods, for example:

God presides in the great assembly. He judges among the gods.
Psalms 82:1

I said, "You are gods, All of you are sons of the Most High. Nevertheless you shall die like men, And fall like one of the rulers."
Psalms 82:6-7

Now it happened on the day when the sons of God came to present themselves before Yahweh, that Satan also came among them.

Job 1:6

It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose.
Genesis 6:1-2

And actually if we are accurate, OT tells in Genesis 1 how God (Elohim) created. And in Genesis 2 OT tells how Yahweh God formed things. It is possible that Jesus is actually the one who formed and his Father is the one true God that created.

In the beginning God [Elohim] created the heavens and the earth.
Genesis 1:1
God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them.
Genesis 1:27

Yahweh God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Yahweh God planted a garden eastward, in Eden, and there he put the man whom he had formed.
Genesis 2:7-8

Colossians 1:15-17 says things were created through Jesus.

"For by him were all things created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him".


It is not same as by him.
sedevacantist
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6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.

It is St. Paul that answers your last question in 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6:
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.

This, of course, parallels with the Shema.
"Reveal to the faithful the wolves which are demolishing the Lord's vineyard."
- Pope Clement XIII, Encyclical Christianae Reipublicae, 1766
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6/16/2016 2:44:33 PM
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At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:

Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?

God responds to us based on how WE change. For example, your dad might act differently to you than he did when you were 2 years old. Your dad has not changed, what has changed is how he interacts and responds to you.

The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

There is only one God. A verse saying that the "sons of God" gathered does not imply multiple Gods.
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6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM
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At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.
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6/16/2016 9:08:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

He's not any different. The greatest command of God was the same in the Old and the New.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 9:11:00 PM
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Example? I'll provide below.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 9:11:34 PM
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The same old to new

http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/18/2016 5:11:18 AM
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There is One G-d YHWH who is one not 3, G-d is not the god of the Non-Testament, G-d of the Only Testament is One G-d without form, the god of the Non-Testament is a man who is 3, completely different.
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6/18/2016 2:24:44 PM
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At 6/18/2016 5:11:18 AM, harrytruman wrote:
There is One G-d YHWH who is one not 3, G-d is not the god of the Non-Testament, G-d of the Only Testament is One G-d without form, the god of the Non-Testament is a man who is 3, completely different.

sorry but that does not clarify anything...............................
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6/18/2016 2:31:50 PM
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At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

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Rule #8 thy shall not speak of old testament God.
It upsets the Christians.
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6/18/2016 4:07:57 PM
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G-d of the Only Testament is formless, while god of the Non-Testament is a man.
G-d of the Only Testament is One, while god of the Non-Testament is three.
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6/18/2016 4:08:47 PM
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At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

Same God, YHWH Elohim.
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6/18/2016 4:12:00 PM
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At 6/18/2016 2:24:44 PM, missmedic wrote:
At 6/18/2016 5:11:18 AM, harrytruman wrote:
There is One G-d YHWH who is one not 3, G-d is not the god of the Non-Testament, G-d of the Only Testament is One G-d without form, the god of the Non-Testament is a man who is 3, completely different.

sorry but that does not clarify anything...............................

Three Persons in one Godhead:

1) Makes no sense.
2) Was a rationalization first in order to make Jesus God.
3) Was the Athanasian/Arian debate which was ignorant and unjustifiable.
4) Was considered upon by Greek thinking.
5) Was concluded according to Greek terminology and concept, not Judaic
6) And during the Council of Nicaea, SHEMA was never brought up.
7) And during the Council of Nicaea, the FIRST COMMAND OF THE TEN was neither brought up.
8) And still made no sense.
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6/18/2016 4:13:43 PM
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At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.

It is St. Paul that answers your last question in 1 Corinthians 8:5, 6:
Indeed, even though there are so-called gods in heaven and on earth (there are, to be sure, many "gods" and many "lords"), yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.

This, of course, parallels with the Shema.

One God the Father was the absolute known Shema. One Lord ADON was the concept of NT not ADONAI. Both terms are translated "kurios."

And you now know the REST of the story.
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6/18/2016 4:14:38 PM
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At 6/18/2016 2:31:50 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

Religion forum
Rule #8 thy shall not speak of old testament God.
It upsets the Christians.

Upsets bull 8ball gals too.
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6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM
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At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.
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6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.
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6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?
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6/18/2016 4:30:49 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?

1. Christians that believe the Bible believe that it is acceptable for soldiers to kill innocent non-combatants and rape young girls as long as someone who claims to be a prophet says its OK.

2. The irreligious believe killing and raping children is unequivocally unacceptable without exception.

I think #2 is a superior moral position.
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6/18/2016 4:40:52 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:30:49 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?

1. Christians that believe the Bible believe that it is acceptable for soldiers to kill innocent non-combatants and rape young girls as long as someone who claims to be a prophet says its OK.

2. The irreligious believe killing and raping children is unequivocally unacceptable without exception.

I think #2 is a superior moral position.

True Chrisitanity is set apart from nominal Christianity. Same as true atheism from half-arsed atheism. The latter cares not much about anything.
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6/18/2016 4:47:13 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:40:52 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:30:49 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?

1. Christians that believe the Bible believe that it is acceptable for soldiers to kill innocent non-combatants and rape young girls as long as someone who claims to be a prophet says its OK.

2. The irreligious believe killing and raping children is unequivocally unacceptable without exception.

I think #2 is a superior moral position.

True Chrisitanity is set apart from nominal Christianity. Same as true atheism from half-arsed atheism. The latter cares not much about anything.

To often, its hard to decipher what theists say.

Are you saying that Christians believe Moses' instructions to his men to kill and rape children was immoral or moral? This is a simple question for atheists to answer but Christians cant answer it.

Aside from not owning a belief there is an interventionist god, what is it that atheists don't believe in that bothers you?
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6/18/2016 4:49:51 PM
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At 6/18/2016 4:47:13 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:40:52 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:30:49 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?

1. Christians that believe the Bible believe that it is acceptable for soldiers to kill innocent non-combatants and rape young girls as long as someone who claims to be a prophet says its OK.

2. The irreligious believe killing and raping children is unequivocally unacceptable without exception.

I think #2 is a superior moral position.

True Chrisitanity is set apart from nominal Christianity. Same as true atheism from half-arsed atheism. The latter cares not much about anything.

To often, its hard to decipher what theists say.

Are you saying that Christians believe Moses' instructions to his men to kill and rape children was immoral or moral? This is a simple question for atheists to answer but Christians cant answer it.

Aside from not owning a belief there is an interventionist god, what is it that atheists don't believe in that bothers you?

Atheists cannot do the FIRST Command of the Ten OR Shema. Both involve an interventionist God. They can do social law. Not God's Law.
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6/18/2016 4:53:05 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/18/2016 4:49:51 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:47:13 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:40:52 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:30:49 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:24:27 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:22:23 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

The consideration of my life never entered my mind. It would appear that the irreligious and the religious disagree about the morality of soldiers of killing young male children and raping young girls. The irreligious think its immoral without exception. I believe my morality is superior to a religious moral system that believes these are sometimes acceptable actions.

How is this morally superior to true Christians, sir?

1. Christians that believe the Bible believe that it is acceptable for soldiers to kill innocent non-combatants and rape young girls as long as someone who claims to be a prophet says its OK.

2. The irreligious believe killing and raping children is unequivocally unacceptable without exception.

I think #2 is a superior moral position.

True Chrisitanity is set apart from nominal Christianity. Same as true atheism from half-arsed atheism. The latter cares not much about anything.

To often, its hard to decipher what theists say.

Are you saying that Christians believe Moses' instructions to his men to kill and rape children was immoral or moral? This is a simple question for atheists to answer but Christians cant answer it.

Aside from not owning a belief there is an interventionist god, what is it that atheists don't believe in that bothers you?

Atheists cannot do the FIRST Command of the Ten OR Shema. Both involve an interventionist God. They can do social law. Not God's Law.

Which of God's laws that atheists don't follow do you think affects your life in a negative way?
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6/18/2016 4:53:23 PM
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It's the same God.

If you really want to understand why they seem different, read The New Testament. Especially the epistles, which are letters addressed to the church.

It's also kind of essential that you read to take in what is being said, not to demolish everything.

Sometimes you know, it doesn't all make sense until enough of it has gone in.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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6/19/2016 9:39:27 PM
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The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament.

So you worship a God who authorizes slavery and commands genocide and infanticide?
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6/19/2016 9:43:14 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/18/2016 4:16:32 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 3:01:05 PM, matt8800 wrote:
At 6/12/2016 11:14:20 PM, sedevacantist wrote:
At 6/12/2016 3:22:52 PM, missmedic wrote:
Why does God in the Old Testament seem different in the New Testament?
The apostle John writes that Jesus the Christ is the Creator God of the Old Testament. "John 1:1-3, 10
Paul also claims that Jesus was our Creator God. "Colossians 1:15-17
So is god, God, or is there more then one god?

The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament. Yet, unlike in the Old Testament, the New Testament reveals His triune nature through the Incarnation and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Jehovah, or Yahweh (the God of the Old Testament), is a Holy Trinity. Jehovah is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, as revealed through the New Testament. This was not revealed in the Old Testament.


Are you saying that god disclosing something that was previously undisclosed caused him to change his behavior? If you disclosed something private about yourself to someone you had become friends with, would that significantly change your behavior?

"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Numbers 31

Since no Christians are suggesting that God wants US soldiers to kill innocent Afghani non-combatants and rape their young daughters, that's a big change in behavior.

God is certainly righteous enough to take away the life He created. If your life ends, what you say sir? This is unfair? The first death is common to all.

So if I follow you, infanticide, genocide and slavery are all moral, for you? And you get this morality from your religion? That's Christianity, right?
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6/19/2016 11:01:58 PM
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At 6/19/2016 9:39:27 PM, Les_Rong wrote:
The God of the New Testament is the exact same God we find in the Old Testament.

So you worship a God who authorizes slavery and commands genocide and infanticide?

Obviously these thing occur in the real world, so yes.

Think about what it means to be both omnipresent and omnipotent.

All present? All powerful?

If God wasn't behind every phenomena, to say, "all" anything would be an exaggeration. No, this is the truth.

I Am that I Am?

We're talking about the way it is. It's about keeping it real.

You know, the fall of man occurred as soon as we took ourselves to be the rightful judges of good and evil. It's right there in the garden.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,
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6/19/2016 11:45:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/19/2016 11:32:27 PM, harrytruman wrote:
Greatest command is follow my laws, which Jesus broke a lot of.

You can't break God's law, you can only break man's law.

God's law is like physics.

Jesus prayed, "Thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven."

What does this mean?

It means accepting God's sovereignty over all things. God's will is done.

It's about keepin' it real. The Truth will set you free.
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. As many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of the will of God. The hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth,