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Skyangel
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6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?
janesix
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6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.
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6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?
janesix
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6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.
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6/14/2016 11:29:50 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.

What makes you think any god wants anything at all?

It seems that people have the wants and needs to mature morally and in any other way they think they should mature. People create their own goals and standards in life.

If human maturity has nothing to do with worship, why worship anything at all?

Does god set any example for people to follow?

If people should follow gods/Gods example, and god/God worships no one, why should people worship anyone?
janesix
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6/14/2016 11:38:32 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:29:50 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.

What makes you think any god wants anything at all?
Because god told me what he wants.

It seems that people have the wants and needs to mature morally and in any other way they think they should mature. People create their own goals and standards in life.

If human maturity has nothing to do with worship, why worship anything at all?

Dont ask me. Its a human folly i suppose.

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

If people should follow gods/Gods example, and god/God worships no one, why should people worship anyone?
Skyangel
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6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:38:32 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:29:50 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.

What makes you think any god wants anything at all?
Because god told me what he wants.

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?

It seems that people have the wants and needs to mature morally and in any other way they think they should mature. People create their own goals and standards in life.

If human maturity has nothing to do with worship, why worship anything at all?

Dont ask me. Its a human folly i suppose.

You could be right about that.

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?

If people should follow gods/Gods example, and god/God worships no one, why should people worship anyone?
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6/14/2016 11:49:45 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.

Interesting.
janesix
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6/14/2016 11:52:26 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:38:32 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:29:50 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:20:47 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:14:37 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:11:42 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

Im sure god worships no one. I am also pretty sure god doesnt expect or want worship.

How can you be sure about that?

Because god wants us to mature moally and spiritually, and that has nothing to do with worship.

What makes you think any god wants anything at all?
Because god told me what he wants.

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Yes. Anyone can.
Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.


It seems that people have the wants and needs to mature morally and in any other way they think they should mature. People create their own goals and standards in life.

If human maturity has nothing to do with worship, why worship anything at all?

Dont ask me. Its a human folly i suppose.

You could be right about that.

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.


If people should follow gods/Gods example, and god/God worships no one, why should people worship anyone?
Skyangel
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6/15/2016 12:05:47 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 11:52:26 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Yes. Anyone can.

Can they?
Can you please explain how to communicate with a higher power?

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
janesix
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6/15/2016 12:10:51 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:05:47 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:52:26 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Yes. Anyone can.

Can they?
Can you please explain how to communicate with a higher power?
Talk to god. He talks to you.

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
I have asked god for an answer to that but have recieved no answer.
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6/15/2016 12:24:31 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

No-one, which makes him an atheist.
Bwa ha ha ha ha.
Skyangel
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6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:10:51 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:05:47 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:52:26 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Yes. Anyone can.

Can they?
Can you please explain how to communicate with a higher power?
Talk to god. He talks to you.

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.

It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
I have asked god for an answer to that but have recieved no answer.

Because gods do not talk.
Psalm 135:15- 16 KJV
The idols (gods) of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
janesix
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6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:10:51 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:05:47 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:52:26 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/14/2016 11:46:41 PM, Skyangel wrote:

So you believe you can communicate with a higher power?
Yes. Anyone can.

Can they?
Can you please explain how to communicate with a higher power?
Talk to god. He talks to you.

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?
Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.
I am not sick. I can see and experience beyond consensus reality.

Does god set any example for people to follow?
Not as far as i know. God let me know exactly what is unacceptable in his eyes.

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
I have asked god for an answer to that but have recieved no answer.

Because gods do not talk.
Psalm 135:15- 16 KJV
The idols (gods) of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
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6/15/2016 12:43:02 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:24:31 AM, dee-em wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

No-one, which makes him an atheist.
Bwa ha ha ha ha.

Yes he is definitely an atheist since he doesn't believe in any god but himself.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 .............Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.

Some believers teach that God sets an example to follow.
If humans are supposed to follow the example set by God, it seems logical that humans ought to believe in no gods but themselves.
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6/15/2016 12:57:02 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?

I don't place religious labels on myself. I am simply human. Other people are free to label me as they will.

Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Do you hear an audible voice of a "higher power' when it does speak to you or is it just an idea which you perceive in your own mind in the way people "hear" their own thoughts within them?

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.
I am not sick. I can see and experience beyond consensus reality.

You seem to be in denial of the fact that your condition is an abnormal and unhealthy mental state. That is why the medical profession call it a disorder.
I understand how it might be "normal' to you if you have known nothing else all your life and never experienced the general consensus of what it is to be mentally normal and healthy .
"If you're in denial, you're trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth about something that's happening in your life."
http://www.mayoclinic.org...

Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
I have asked god for an answer to that but have recieved no answer.

Because gods do not talk.
Psalm 135:15- 16 KJV
The idols (gods) of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
janesix
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6/15/2016 1:06:29 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:57:02 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?

I don't place religious labels on myself. I am simply human. Other people are free to label me as they will.

Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Do you hear an audible voice of a "higher power' when it does speak to you or is it just an idea which you perceive in your own mind in the way people "hear" their own thoughts within them?
Gods voice is audible. I have heard other voices inside my head. Gods voice is both outside and inside.

Does god also want you to suffer from the mental illnesses which he inflicted on you or did the devil inflict them on you?
I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.
I am not sick. I can see and experience beyond consensus reality.

You seem to be in denial of the fact that your condition is an abnormal and unhealthy mental state. That is why the medical profession call it a disorder.
I understand how it might be "normal' to you if you have known nothing else all your life and never experienced the general consensus of what it is to be mentally normal and healthy .

I have experienced concensus reality most of my life. Five years ago i began to experience the reality which underlies consensus reality. Consensus reality consists of cause and effect and linear time. The underlying reality consists if canonical numbers, association of meaning, platonic forms, archtypes and cyclical time.
"If you're in denial, you're trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth about something that's happening in your life."
http://www.mayoclinic.org...


Is it unacceptable for people to let others suffer when they have the power to take away their suffering?
Probably. But sometimes suffering is an inevitable part of maturing spiritually and morally.

If it is unacceptable for humans to let others suffer when they have the power to take away the suffering, how much more unacceptable is it for God to let human suffering continue?
I have asked god for an answer to that but have recieved no answer.

Because gods do not talk.
Psalm 135:15- 16 KJV
The idols (gods) of the heathen are silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not; eyes have they, but they see not;
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6/15/2016 1:20:48 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 1:06:29 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:57:02 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?

I don't place religious labels on myself. I am simply human. Other people are free to label me as they will.

Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Do you hear an audible voice of a "higher power' when it does speak to you or is it just an idea which you perceive in your own mind in the way people "hear" their own thoughts within them?
Gods voice is audible. I have heard other voices inside my head. Gods voice is both outside and inside.

Is it like a human voice speaking to you on a phone or through a radio where you can hear a voice but not see who is speaking?
All people "hear" their own thoughts in their minds but they are not audible sounds that you hear with your ears. They are more like perceiving impressions of ideas.
Is it like the "voice" of nature, which is merely referring to sounds in nature?
You seem to believe anyone can "hear" this voice but you are not explaining how they can hear the audible "voice of God" or recognise it is indeed a voice from God and not merely an imagination or illusion of the mind.

I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.
I am not sick. I can see and experience beyond consensus reality.

You seem to be in denial of the fact that your condition is an abnormal and unhealthy mental state. That is why the medical profession call it a disorder.
I understand how it might be "normal' to you if you have known nothing else all your life and never experienced the general consensus of what it is to be mentally normal and healthy .

I have experienced concensus reality most of my life. Five years ago i began to experience the reality which underlies consensus reality. Consensus reality consists of cause and effect and linear time. The underlying reality consists if canonical numbers, association of meaning, platonic forms, archtypes and cyclical time.

Abstract things are simply part of human imagination. They are created by the artistic aspects of the human mind. The imagination can cause people to believe all kinds of illusions and delusions.

"If you're in denial, you're trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth about something that's happening in your life."
http://www.mayoclinic.org...
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6/15/2016 1:23:00 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 1:20:48 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 1:06:29 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:57:02 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?

I don't place religious labels on myself. I am simply human. Other people are free to label me as they will.

Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Do you hear an audible voice of a "higher power' when it does speak to you or is it just an idea which you perceive in your own mind in the way people "hear" their own thoughts within them?
Gods voice is audible. I have heard other voices inside my head. Gods voice is both outside and inside.

Is it like a human voice speaking to you on a phone or through a radio where you can hear a voice but not see who is speaking?
Yes
All people "hear" their own thoughts in their minds but they are not audible sounds that you hear with your ears. They are more like perceiving impressions of ideas.
Is it like the "voice" of nature, which is merely referring to sounds in nature?
You seem to believe anyone can "hear" this voice but you are not explaining how they can hear the audible "voice of God" or recognise it is indeed a voice from God and not merely an imagination or illusion of the mind.



I am not mentally ill.

The information on your profile says "I am schizophrenic/schizoaffective"
Are you unaware that you have a mental illness?
https://www.nami.org...
"Schizoaffective disorder is a chronic mental health condition characterized primarily by symptoms of schizophrenia, such as hallucinations or delusions, and symptoms of a mood disorder, such as mania and depression."
That is a lable applied to me by someone who doesnt understand reality.


It is a medical label applied to sick people. Obviously mentally healthy people do not understand the reality of experiencing mental disorders due to not experiencing those things. They understand reality in general. They just do not understand your personal reality the same as you do not understand theirs due to not experiencing it. Obviously not everyones personal reality is the same.
I am not sick. I can see and experience beyond consensus reality.

You seem to be in denial of the fact that your condition is an abnormal and unhealthy mental state. That is why the medical profession call it a disorder.
I understand how it might be "normal' to you if you have known nothing else all your life and never experienced the general consensus of what it is to be mentally normal and healthy .

I have experienced concensus reality most of my life. Five years ago i began to experience the reality which underlies consensus reality. Consensus reality consists of cause and effect and linear time. The underlying reality consists if canonical numbers, association of meaning, platonic forms, archtypes and cyclical time.

Abstract things are simply part of human imagination. They are created by the artistic aspects of the human mind. The imagination can cause people to believe all kinds of illusions and delusions.

"If you're in denial, you're trying to protect yourself by refusing to accept the truth about something that's happening in your life."
http://www.mayoclinic.org...
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6/15/2016 1:29:53 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 1:23:00 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 1:20:48 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 1:06:29 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:57:02 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:41:59 AM, janesix wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:36:17 AM, Skyangel wrote:

I only hear humans talking to me. I don't hear any gods talking. The bible says gods/idols do not talk.
I dont believe in the bible and im not a christian. Are you?

I don't place religious labels on myself. I am simply human. Other people are free to label me as they will.

Psalm 115:5 New International Version
They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see.
Which god do you talk to ? Does it have a name?
I dont know gods name. I occasionally call him jehovah but he has never told me his name.

Do you hear an audible voice of a "higher power' when it does speak to you or is it just an idea which you perceive in your own mind in the way people "hear" their own thoughts within them?
Gods voice is audible. I have heard other voices inside my head. Gods voice is both outside and inside.

Is it like a human voice speaking to you on a phone or through a radio where you can hear a voice but not see who is speaking?
Yes

Do you also hear this voice of God, speaking to you out of thin air or does he just speak to you on the phone or radio and say "This is God speaking" or something like that so you know who you are speaking to?
If not, how do you know the voice on the phone or radio is the voice of God?
Can you phone him back at any time?

All people "hear" their own thoughts in their minds but they are not audible sounds that you hear with your ears. They are more like perceiving impressions of ideas.
Is it like the "voice" of nature, which is merely referring to sounds in nature?
You seem to believe anyone can "hear" this voice but you are not explaining how they can hear the audible "voice of God" or recognise it is indeed a voice from God and not merely an imagination or illusion of the mind.
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6/15/2016 2:29:47 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

god does not worship, he is an Atheist....................
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6/15/2016 3:32:35 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 2:29:47 AM, missmedic wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

god does not worship, he is an Atheist....................

Obviously.
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6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 3:32:35 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 2:29:47 AM, missmedic wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

god does not worship, he is an Atheist....................

Obviously.
I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.
Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.
Theist: God has always existed.
Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?
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6/15/2016 10:08:59 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM, Willows wrote:
At 6/15/2016 3:32:35 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 2:29:47 AM, missmedic wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

god does not worship, he is an Atheist....................

Obviously.
I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.

Of course. Humans create humans through the human reproductive system. Anyone can learn about it. It is perfectly observable and factual.

Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.

It seems that the extremely complex beings called humans created all gods since gods are mythical characters.

Theist: God has always existed.

Well, regardless of whether you call 'that which has always existed', God or not, logically something must have always existed due to the fact that it is impossible to get something from nothing.

Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?

Not at all since "that which has always existed" cannot possibly be one individual thing. It needs to be a collection of many different things which combine to create other existing things. No existing thing is composed of only one item.
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6/16/2016 12:40:49 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/15/2016 10:08:59 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM, Willows wrote:
At 6/15/2016 3:32:35 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 2:29:47 AM, missmedic wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?


god does not worship, he is an Atheist....................

Obviously.
I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.

Of course. Humans create humans through the human reproductive system. Anyone can learn about it. It is perfectly observable and factual.

Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.

It seems that the extremely complex beings called humans created all gods since gods are mythical characters.

Theist: God has always existed.

Well, regardless of whether you call 'that which has always existed', God or not, logically something must have always existed due to the fact that it is impossible to get something from nothing.

Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?

Not at all since "that which has always existed" cannot possibly be one individual thing. It needs to be a collection of many different things which combine to create other existing things. No existing thing is composed of only one item.

Well here is where we get to the crux of the matter. There are many theories as to how existence or matter came to be and if I were to put a stake in the ground and state "this is how it happened" my understanding will be limited from thereon. Which is essentially the theist standpoint of not wanting to know anything outside their sphere. I think that if you have enough self-discipline to keep your head together and enjoy the ride then the mind-boggling journey of discovering and revealing new facts is a truly amazing trip.
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6/16/2016 12:59:43 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 12:40:49 AM, Willows wrote:
At 6/15/2016 10:08:59 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM, Willows wrote:

I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.

Of course. Humans create humans through the human reproductive system. Anyone can learn about it. It is perfectly observable and factual.

Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.

It seems that the extremely complex beings called humans created all gods since gods are mythical characters.

Theist: God has always existed.

Well, regardless of whether you call 'that which has always existed', God or not, logically something must have always existed due to the fact that it is impossible to get something from nothing.

Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?

Not at all since "that which has always existed" cannot possibly be one individual thing. It needs to be a collection of many different things which combine to create other existing things. No existing thing is composed of only one item.

Well here is where we get to the crux of the matter. There are many theories as to how existence or matter came to be and if I were to put a stake in the ground and state "this is how it happened" my understanding will be limited from thereon. Which is essentially the theist standpoint of not wanting to know anything outside their sphere. I think that if you have enough self-discipline to keep your head together and enjoy the ride then the mind-boggling journey of discovering and revealing new facts is a truly amazing trip.

It is also the standpoint of the 'science nerds' who put a stake in the ground and state, claim or imply that all existence began at the 'big bang' and evolved from that point in time. Those people are just as narrow minded and limited in their understanding as any theist who believes their 'stake in the ground' is how and where it all began. To believe in a "beginning" of existence, one needs to place a stake in the ground and call that stake 'the beginning'. The stake itself then becomes a stumbling block due to the question of how it got there if nothing existed before it.
No matter how we look at it, we cannot escape the concept of infinite regress which implies that you need an existing thing to create another existing thing because it is logically impossible to get something from nothing or get existence from nonexistence.
The only logical conclusion is that something always existed. Call that existing thing existence itself or any other label you wish, the concept is that it takes existence to create existence. It is mind boggling for sure and seems paradoxical and impossible but it is what it is. If it was not eternal or infinite, it would not be so mind boggling or amazing or challenge humans to think outside and beyond the finite box of their own mind and make an attempt to comprehend infinite and eternal concepts.
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6/16/2016 11:28:48 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 12:59:43 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/16/2016 12:40:49 AM, Willows wrote:
At 6/15/2016 10:08:59 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM, Willows wrote:

I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.

Of course. Humans create humans through the human reproductive system. Anyone can learn about it. It is perfectly observable and factual.

Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.

It seems that the extremely complex beings called humans created all gods since gods are mythical characters.

Theist: God has always existed.

Well, regardless of whether you call 'that which has always existed', God or not, logically something must have always existed due to the fact that it is impossible to get something from nothing.

Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?

Not at all since "that which has always existed" cannot possibly be one individual thing. It needs to be a collection of many different things which combine to create other existing things. No existing thing is composed of only one item.

Well here is where we get to the crux of the matter. There are many theories as to how existence or matter came to be and if I were to put a stake in the ground and state "this is how it happened" my understanding will be limited from thereon. Which is essentially the theist standpoint of not wanting to know anything outside their sphere. I think that if you have enough self-discipline to keep your head together and enjoy the ride then the mind-boggling journey of discovering and revealing new facts is a truly amazing trip.

It is also the standpoint of the 'science nerds' who put a stake in the ground and state, claim or imply that all existence began at the 'big bang' and evolved from that point in time. Those people are just as narrow minded and limited in their understanding as any theist who believes their 'stake in the ground' is how and where it all began. To believe in a "beginning" of existence, one needs to place a stake in the ground and call that stake 'the beginning'. The stake itself then becomes a stumbling block due to the question of how it got there if nothing existed before it.
No matter how we look at it, we cannot escape the concept of infinite regress which implies that you need an existing thing to create another existing thing because it is logically impossible to get something from nothing or get existence from nonexistence.
The only logical conclusion is that something always existed. Call that existing thing existence itself or any other label you wish, the concept is that it takes existence to create existence. It is mind boggling for sure and seems paradoxical and impossible but it is what it is. If it was not eternal or infinite, it would not be so mind boggling or amazing or challenge humans to think outside and beyond the finite box of their own mind and make an attempt to comprehend infinite and eternal concepts.

Talk about a stick in the stand...I think you went way out on a limb to grab your stick!
I have not encountered any reputable report on the big bang where the writer has stated it as fact but merely that there is are scientific data that indicate such.
"The only logical conclusion is that something always existed" is symptomatic of someone who most definitely refuses to think outside their own box.
I think that you have well and truly tripped on your own stick.
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6/16/2016 9:25:56 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 11:28:48 AM, Willows wrote:
At 6/16/2016 12:59:43 AM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/16/2016 12:40:49 AM, Willows wrote:
At 6/15/2016 10:08:59 PM, Skyangel wrote:
At 6/15/2016 12:10:57 PM, Willows wrote:

I think it goes back to the old conundrum......
Theist: Such complexity (human beings) could not have happened by accident, there must be a creator.

Of course. Humans create humans through the human reproductive system. Anyone can learn about it. It is perfectly observable and factual.

Atheist: In which case God would have to be an extremely complex being so who created Him.

It seems that the extremely complex beings called humans created all gods since gods are mythical characters.

Theist: God has always existed.

Well, regardless of whether you call 'that which has always existed', God or not, logically something must have always existed due to the fact that it is impossible to get something from nothing.

Therefore one could assume that God would answer to no other entity. It gets so lonely at the top doesn't it?

Not at all since "that which has always existed" cannot possibly be one individual thing. It needs to be a collection of many different things which combine to create other existing things. No existing thing is composed of only one item.

Well here is where we get to the crux of the matter. There are many theories as to how existence or matter came to be and if I were to put a stake in the ground and state "this is how it happened" my understanding will be limited from thereon. Which is essentially the theist standpoint of not wanting to know anything outside their sphere. I think that if you have enough self-discipline to keep your head together and enjoy the ride then the mind-boggling journey of discovering and revealing new facts is a truly amazing trip.

It is also the standpoint of the 'science nerds' who put a stake in the ground and state, claim or imply that all existence began at the 'big bang' and evolved from that point in time. Those people are just as narrow minded and limited in their understanding as any theist who believes their 'stake in the ground' is how and where it all began. To believe in a "beginning" of existence, one needs to place a stake in the ground and call that stake 'the beginning'. The stake itself then becomes a stumbling block due to the question of how it got there if nothing existed before it.
No matter how we look at it, we cannot escape the concept of infinite regress which implies that you need an existing thing to create another existing thing because it is logically impossible to get something from nothing or get existence from nonexistence.
The only logical conclusion is that something always existed. Call that existing thing existence itself or any other label you wish, the concept is that it takes existence to create existence. It is mind boggling for sure and seems paradoxical and impossible but it is what it is. If it was not eternal or infinite, it would not be so mind boggling or amazing or challenge humans to think outside and beyond the finite box of their own mind and make an attempt to comprehend infinite and eternal concepts.

Talk about a stick in the stand...I think you went way out on a limb to grab your stick!
I have not encountered any reputable report on the big bang where the writer has stated it as fact but merely that there is are scientific data that indicate such.
"The only logical conclusion is that something always existed" is symptomatic of someone who most definitely refuses to think outside their own box.
I think that you have well and truly tripped on your own stick.

It's all a matter of perception. Those who believe there is scientific data to indicate a big bang, seem to beleive it is a fact due to the scientific data and don't seem to question whether human perception regarding the data might be incorrect.
There are obviously aspects of the universe and life in general which APPEAR to have a beginning as well as aspects which do not. Which of those APPEARANCES are illusions and which are not? How can anyone tell?
I take all aspects into account and therefore I could be perceived as having many sticks in the ground but I could also be perceived as having no sticks in the ground due to questioning how many of those sticks are merely an illusion.
Illusions tend to trip up a lot of people and cause much self deception.

The conclusion that something has always existed is NOT symptomatic of someone who refuses to think outside their own box but rather a result of forcing myself to think outside the finite boxes of religion and scientific theories which place their sticks in the sand and call their 'markers' the beginning of time and space. Those who do that really should ask themselves what came before that stick ( beginning )
When you consider the concept of infinity you cannot place a stick in the sand to mark a beginning due to there being no beginning or end to something infinite.
Before the beginning of any matter, there must be other matter to produce it. When you understand that, what possible conclusion is there other than something has always existed?
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6/18/2016 5:08:15 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

None. Also, Satan isn't evil.
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6/18/2016 5:29:52 AM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/18/2016 5:08:15 AM, harrytruman wrote:
At 6/14/2016 10:51:27 PM, Skyangel wrote:
According to SpiritandTruth, self worship is Satanism and a delusion.

At 6/11/2016 5:16:42 AM, SpiritandTruth wrote:
Satanism is the worship of the self as God. It is delusion.

I would like to know who God worships?

None. Also, Satan isn't evil.

I agree.
The word Satan simply means adversary. An adversary is simply an opponent in a conflict or dispute. In the case of a person, it is irrelevant if the opponent is good or evil, they are still an adversary ( Satan) of whatever they oppose.