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6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM
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http://youtu.be...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM
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At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.
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6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 6:56:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.

Oh I forgot .
Atheism means to believe in evolution.
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6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?
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6/16/2016 7:17:59 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:56:10 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.

Oh I forgot .
Atheism means to believe in evolution.

Tell us what it's based on.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 7:23:19 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

This is one of the few linked videos of yours that I looked at. I didn't see anything in that video that says that the interviewees were atheist.

Since you are proposing this as evidence that atheists don't know religion, I'll respond with...

A YouTube video versus Pew Research!!! Who wins?? Pew Research.

http://www.pewforum.org...
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6/16/2016 7:23:50 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...

...or they don't want to waste their time watching stupid videos
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6/16/2016 7:26:38 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:17:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:56:10 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.

Oh I forgot .
Atheism means to believe in evolution.

Tell us what it's based on.

What evelotion., or Athiesm ?
Evelotion
Is based on
Charles Darwins theory of evelotion.

Atheism is based on your . O know I'm going to say it . Are you ready.
Atheism is based on your beliefs.
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6/16/2016 7:26:56 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...

Or perhaps they're not willing to put more effort in than the OP required. ;-)
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6/16/2016 7:46:37 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:26:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...

Or perhaps they're not willing to put more effort in than the OP required. ;-)

So..you are scared.
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
brontoraptor
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6/16/2016 7:47:57 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:26:38 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:17:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:56:10 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.

Oh I forgot .
Atheism means to believe in evolution.

Tell us what it's based on.

What evelotion., or Athiesm ?
Evelotion
Is based on
Charles Darwins theory of evelotion.

Atheism is based on your . O know I'm going to say it . Are you ready.
Atheism is based on your beliefs.

So atheism is based off of a combination of different beliefs, many faith based...
"What Donald Trump is doing is representing the absolute heartbreak, and anger, and frustration at a government gone mad."

http://youtu.be...
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6/16/2016 7:49:08 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
Those people are Atheists, as proven by their total lack of even the most basic knowledge about Christ. But maybe most of them would say they're Christians. Self-realized Atheists tend to be the better educated among Atheists. But, self-realized Atheists also double-down on foolishness.
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6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM
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Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.

The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
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6/16/2016 7:52:48 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:49:08 PM, Rukado wrote:
Those people are Atheists, as proven by their total lack of even the most basic knowledge about Christ. But maybe most of them would say they're Christians. Self-realized Atheists tend to be the better educated among Atheists. But, self-realized Atheists also double-down on foolishness.

Says one who believes in sky fairies.
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6/16/2016 7:55:10 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:47:57 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:26:38 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:17:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:56:10 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:52:49 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

So...Darwinian evolution...is a lie.

Oh I forgot .
Atheism means to believe in evolution.

Tell us what it's based on.

What evelotion., or Athiesm ?
Evelotion
Is based on
Charles Darwins theory of evelotion.

Atheism is based on your . O know I'm going to say it . Are you ready.
Atheism is based on your beliefs.

So atheism is based off of a combination of different beliefs, many faith based...

I did put the bait out.

Um correct or as I like to call it , just a mere speculation.
So in knowing this . I'm not going to live my life according to it. And by it.
You know what I mean ?
Its what I think anyway. That's why I become agnostic.
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6/16/2016 7:55:53 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

Michael Morton story here in Texas.

This man was in prison 20 years for murdering his wife. A single head scarf twenty years earlier with the blood of his wife and the actual murderer exonerated him. This scarf was the smoking gun which they totally ignored then, not even having the technology to test at the time. The present prosecutor refused to test it for two years after the Innocence Project requested.

Big story here. True miracle by any sense of the word. But before it happened, Morton had a religious experience and conversion. He was actually willing and able to spend his life in prison, if his God so willed it.
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6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.

The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.

...or to testify of prayers met, in order to glorify the Living God, verdad.
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6/16/2016 7:58:03 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:55:53 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

Michael Morton story here in Texas.

This man was in prison 20 years for murdering his wife. A single head scarf twenty years earlier with the blood of his wife and the actual murderer exonerated him. This scarf was the smoking gun which they totally ignored then, not even having the technology to test at the time. The present prosecutor refused to test it for two years after the Innocence Project requested.

Big story here. True miracle by any sense of the word. But before it happened, Morton had a religious experience and conversion. He was actually willing and able to spend his life in prison, if his God so willed it.

But he couldn't get a straight answer .
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6/16/2016 7:58:35 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:46:37 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:26:56 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...

Or perhaps they're not willing to put more effort in than the OP required. ;-)

So..you are scared.

Most every appeal you've ever offered (that I've seen) is other peoples arguments or canned responses, and no actual demonstration of your own thought processes. You do your best to insulate your vulnerable self from criticism (by using other peoples words) - that is fear, Bronto.
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6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met

Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
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6/16/2016 8:01:50 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:58:03 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:55:53 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:43:39 PM, Deb-8-A-Bull wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

Because in your whole entire life , nothing super extraordinary happens .
The sun doesn"t skip a day .
You don't see something fly that doesn't .
Everyone looks the same when they die.
They don't talk or come back.

Michael Morton story here in Texas.

This man was in prison 20 years for murdering his wife. A single head scarf twenty years earlier with the blood of his wife and the actual murderer exonerated him. This scarf was the smoking gun which they totally ignored then, not even having the technology to test at the time. The present prosecutor refused to test it for two years after the Innocence Project requested.

Big story here. True miracle by any sense of the word. But before it happened, Morton had a religious experience and conversion. He was actually willing and able to spend his life in prison, if his God so willed it.

But he couldn't get a straight answer .

He got an answer which for him was sufficient. Despondent over his own son's letter telling him he wanted to change his name to his in-laws last name, he decided he did not want to live any longer. He asked God to show Himself as an answer, or he would find a way to die. Two weeks later a bright light showed supernaturally in his room. Subjectively he knew immediately what that was, despite not being religious ever before, just having a faint belief in God in general. It was an answer to his prayer. The SAME light which blinded Paul of Tarsus for three days in the New Testament.
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6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM
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At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met

Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?

Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.
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6/16/2016 8:08:42 PM
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At 6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met
Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.

Then do you also endorse belief in astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings? Because adherents swear they work too.

Or does your principle of ad-hoc, presuppositional, opaque non-accountability only extend as far as justifying the power of prayer in your own faith, but extend to nobody else's magical beliefs?
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6/16/2016 8:10:29 PM
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At 6/16/2016 8:08:42 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met
Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.

Then do you also endorse belief in astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings? Because adherents swear they work too.

Or does your principle of ad-hoc, presuppositional, opaque non-accountability only extend as far as justifying the power of prayer in your own faith, but extend to nobody else's magical beliefs?

I actually had about a six year search for definitive truth in religion. The first significant crush I had in high school was for a girl reading "Autobiography of a Yogi."
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6/16/2016 8:15:37 PM
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At 6/16/2016 8:10:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:08:42 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met
Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.

Then do you also endorse belief in astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings? Because adherents swear they work too.

Or does your principle of ad-hoc, presuppositional, opaque non-accountability only extend as far as justifying the power of prayer in your own faith, but extend to nobody else's magical beliefs?

I actually had about a six year search for definitive truth in religion. The first significant crush I had in high school was for a girl reading "Autobiography of a Yogi."

You have an interesting religious history, I recall, Notsy. Baha'i, Sikh, Pentecostal. Depending on how you behave, some day I might ask you about it. :)

Nevertheless for now, my question stands. If people say astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings all work, should you assume they work, or would you be more likely to subject them to systematic, independent testing? And if such testing found their claims in error, would their testimony as credible witnesses be damaged?
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6/16/2016 8:18:39 PM
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At 6/16/2016 8:15:37 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:10:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:08:42 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met
Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.

Then do you also endorse belief in astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings? Because adherents swear they work too.

Or does your principle of ad-hoc, presuppositional, opaque non-accountability only extend as far as justifying the power of prayer in your own faith, but extend to nobody else's magical beliefs?

I actually had about a six year search for definitive truth in religion. The first significant crush I had in high school was for a girl reading "Autobiography of a Yogi."

You have an interesting religious history, I recall, Notsy. Baha'i, Sikh, Pentecostal. Depending on how you behave, some day I might ask you about it. :)

Nevertheless for now, my question stands. If people say astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings all work, should you assume they work, or would you be more likely to subject them to systematic, independent testing? And if such testing found their claims in error, would their testimony as credible witnesses be damaged?

Empirical knowledge is the base form among religious seekers. Verifiable data is the least of our worries. And so far you are speaking more about healthy living than religious experience.
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6/16/2016 8:30:53 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 8:18:39 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:15:37 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:10:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:08:42 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:03:29 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 8:01:17 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:57:48 PM, nothead wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:51:11 PM, RuvDraba wrote:
Bronto, the word 'witness' itself isn't credible when you haven't witnessed anything significant. And the people who say they have, aren't credible either.
The whole procedure is a sham, and undermines the dignity of the people told to do it. Better to pray quietly and privately, and not tell anyone it achieves anything beyond sometimes making you feel better.
...or to testify of prayers met
Because humans are great at determining consequence outside a laboratory, Notsy?
Because humans who have common sense look to things even beyond their immediate sense. For a life outside of the life they have for instance.

Then do you also endorse belief in astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings? Because adherents swear they work too.

Or does your principle of ad-hoc, presuppositional, opaque non-accountability only extend as far as justifying the power of prayer in your own faith, but extend to nobody else's magical beliefs?

I actually had about a six year search for definitive truth in religion. The first significant crush I had in high school was for a girl reading "Autobiography of a Yogi."

You have an interesting religious history, I recall, Notsy. Baha'i, Sikh, Pentecostal. Depending on how you behave, some day I might ask you about it. :)

Nevertheless for now, my question stands. If people say astrology, homeopathy, phrenology, non-contact reiki massage, smudging with burning sage and aura cleansings all work, should you assume they work, or would you be more likely to subject them to systematic, independent testing? And if such testing found their claims in error, would their testimony as credible witnesses be damaged?

Empirical knowledge is the base form among religious seekers. Verifiable data is the least of our worries. And so far you are speaking more about healthy living than religious experience.

I understand that you evaded my question, Nots. Unfortunately that means you're preaching and not discussing. My interest, sadly, has ended.
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6/16/2016 8:45:18 PM
Posted: 5 months ago
At 6/16/2016 7:23:50 PM, janesix wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:18:59 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
At 6/16/2016 7:01:30 PM, Skepticalone wrote:
At 6/16/2016 6:38:43 PM, brontoraptor wrote:
http://youtu.be...

...because they won't watch random videos?

That they are scared to watch for fear of being wrong...

...or they don't want to waste their time watching stupid videos

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